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soandso

(1,627 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:15 AM Dec 4

UPDATE: ***SEE POST #88!!!!!!!*** What is up with these mystery drones in New Jersey?

Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2024, 06:49 AM - Edit history (1)

Been going on for like a month. They are not UFOs (those are flying over airports in the UK! Another very weird story...). These are drones as big as cars (!!!) and they stay in the air for hours (how?). LE says they're no threat but doesn't know who is operating them and the FBI is even investigating. WTF??? How can they be determined not to be a threat if they're up there every night and nobody knows who's behind it or what they're doing? I find this extremely creepy. Isn't this is national security issue? Why can't LE or the FBI send their own drones up for a closer look - or use a zoom lens?

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UPDATE: ***SEE POST #88!!!!!!!*** What is up with these mystery drones in New Jersey? (Original Post) soandso Dec 4 OP
wow YoshidaYui Dec 4 #1
It is bizarre soandso Dec 4 #2
Groups of them soandso Dec 4 #3
This is why JustAnotherGen Dec 4 #4
Are there any military installations, govt research facilities, nuclear power plants, located there? Irish_Dem Dec 4 #5
Yes... 2naSalit Dec 4 #11
Putin checking to see if Donald if naughty or nice? Irish_Dem Dec 4 #12
I'm going all out... 2naSalit Dec 4 #13
No chance. Except to have him over for dinner. usonian Saturday #30
Extraterrestrials are too damn evolved choie Saturday #33
I guess we don't want get in their way if that's the case. kerry-is-my-prez Saturday #45
Looking for really soured meat? arthritisR_US Monday #138
excuse me while I wheeze myself silly NJCher Sunday #76
I know... 2naSalit Sunday #91
Also... Wuddles440 Dec 4 #14
The lengths some men go to wolfie001 Dec 4 #7
I know what can be done. ReRe Dec 4 #6
What about the collateral damage? wolfie001 Dec 4 #8
It can be done. This has long passed the curiosity phase. Callie1979 Saturday #31
What? I said ReRe Sunday #83
Think about it soandso Sunday #118
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sunday #124
Seriously ReRe Monday #144
I get your point but the reporting is that they are as big as arthritisR_US Monday #139
the people are meeting up all right NJCher Sunday #78
But still ReRe Sunday #84
r/UFOs is a really good reddit sub soandso Sunday #119
I'm one of those Town Council.members JustAnotherGen Sunday #100
I'm not say it's aliens but it was the aliens. Ray Bruns Dec 4 #9
I'm beginning to wonder soandso Saturday #18
Spoofing GPS signals is a known countermeasure LunaSea Saturday #34
Thanks for that soandso Saturday #42
was unaware of his NJCher Sunday #81
wow! NJCher Sunday #79
Yes, that was a few days ago soandso Sunday #80
They were flying over JustAnotherGen Sunday #101
I think it was this alien: area51 Saturday #62
Marvin was much more classier n/t gay texan Sunday #130
We need to get Giorgio over here! soandso Sunday #120
This is AMERICA! Conjuay Dec 4 #10
A post from a UFO witness thread soandso Saturday #44
Don't look up cynical_idealist Dec 4 #15
It's still going on! soandso Friday #16
That looks like a plane to me. I can see the silhouette of the vertical tail against the sky. Hotler Saturday #39
Maybe it is Assad's plane that took that U-Turn in Damascus? displacedvermoter Sunday #109
Okay, look at this! soandso Friday #17
I have property in the foothills outside of Tucson-I've seen some strange things in the sky. 58Sunliner Monday #141
What have you seen soandso Monday #142
Not as close as the video. 58Sunliner Monday #147
Not drones Polybius Saturday #19
Something we don't understand soandso Saturday #20
This guys says 30-50 each night over his neighborhood soandso Saturday #21
Hey, is that a plane or a drone? soandso Saturday #22
he Hotler Saturday #25
or elon-ians testing new neighborhood surveillance tools for the nominee to run the FBI? Attilatheblond Saturday #32
Imagine tens of drones, as big as cars soandso Saturday #23
Time to take some of them DOWN. PAST time. Callie1979 Saturday #35
Uh huh soandso Saturday #24
There were JustAnotherGen Saturday #26
Wow, an eye witness! soandso Saturday #27
It's just crazy JustAnotherGen Sunday #98
After watching Luna Sea's video soandso Sunday #99
My tiny PD JustAnotherGen Sunday #102
Glad your husband did that. I love trees! electric_blue68 Sunday #131
He's from Calabria JustAnotherGen Sunday #133
Shows his emotions.... passionately! electric_blue68 Sunday #134
I'm a progressive but I say blast a couple of these things down...look at the pieces...find out...nt wcmagumba Saturday #28
If they're not too high, a 12 gauge with buckshot should do the trick Callie1979 Saturday #36
Someone here was saying that they shot at them and hit them but it didn't do anything. kerry-is-my-prez Saturday #48
There was a missile shot at a UFO soandso Saturday #46
I think it's a federal & state crime womanofthehills Tuesday #156
It's not and I will post what it is, shortly. soandso 21 hrs ago #157
Please keep us informed Bread and Circuses Saturday #29
Maybe people in the area could hire one of those guys who use small drones with cameras to find lost dogs to take a look Attilatheblond Saturday #38
My bet is these things can't be jammed soandso Saturday #49
Kinda noisy for space alien types Attilatheblond Saturday #56
Yeah, the noise is loud and even silly soandso Saturday #59
One thing I've learned soandso Sunday #122
I'd say the FBI is involved soandso Saturday #47
Not necessarily FBI, but it is odd the military are officially clueless, whether they are hiding something or not Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #89
I'm sick of secrecy soandso Sunday #123
It's not aliens or chupacabras Bernardo de La Paz Monday #145
That's BS soandso Monday #146
What part of New Jersey? usonian Saturday #37
It's mentioned in the videos soandso Saturday #52
Thanks. I was having fun with War of the Worlds usonian Saturday #54
We can rule out Trump or subs soandso Saturday #55
Watch the video in post #88 soandso Sunday #96
Yes, they are actually appearing not too far from Grover's Mill. LudwigPastorius Sunday #73
FBI? Where's the Air Force and Space Command? cbabe Saturday #40
I find it inconceivable that the military, FAA and FBI do not know the provenance of these drones. PufPuf23 Saturday #41
Why is it not being more reported? First I've heard of it and I'm a news junkie. kerry-is-my-prez Saturday #50
It's all over the local bamagal62 Sunday #69
Well, I think this is totally out of their "wheelhouse" soandso Saturday #51
I agree. This shit needs to stop. Somehow. Callie1979 Sunday #111
Amazon making Xmas deliveries. Sneederbunk Saturday #43
That actually was my first naive thought Dave says Sunday #113
Flying car experiments? Emile Saturday #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #57
I'll guess it's because they can't soandso Saturday #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #63
I don't know how calling them drones got started soandso Sunday #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sunday #68
It's kind of like when you're little soandso Sunday #74
I'm with you... PCIntern Sunday #86
I'd like to hear your story soandso Sunday #125
I am going to dictate this because I'm in a bit of a rush PCIntern Monday #148
Yeah, I don't care what anyone thinks, either soandso Monday #150
I swear, these deniers are so vociferous in their negation PCIntern 14 hrs ago #159
AirPlanes brettdale Saturday #58
Yeah? soandso Saturday #61
What kind of plane? soandso Saturday #64
Flying cars. Rigpa108 Saturday #65
Lots of people in NJ seem to have them soandso Sunday #67
this seems silly. it is probably just some kids playing a prank Takket Sunday #70
their parents are really busy NJCher Sunday #82
Car sized drones, no less soandso Sunday #85
Manchester Great Britain also Blue Full Moon Sunday #71
Over the Royal Air Force base, too soandso Sunday #72
NJ "drone" on video in daylight soandso Sunday #75
Pay attention at 2:26 soandso Sunday #77
Why would anything extraterrestrial have lights on it? Think. Again. Sunday #87
Beats me soandso Sunday #90
Sighting compilation LunaSea Sunday #88
OMG, oh, shit! soandso Sunday #92
There's 50+ minutes I'll never get back. -misanthroptimist Sunday #115
Preparing for WWIII once Trump takes power. Martial law anyone? n/t AntiFascist Sunday #121
Wow on the plasma like one from Mexico, the dark sphere with knobs? spotted from a plane in Thaiiland, and the close.. electric_blue68 Sunday #132
I personally find it hard to believe that FBI/NSA/DoD do not know the origin... EarthFirst Sunday #93
I don't think "authorities" know any more than we do about what they are soandso Sunday #94
Given what we have seen of the threat of drones in Ukraine, I think state police need to be equipped accordingly Amishman 13 hrs ago #160
Something I've been ruminating on these last 4 days JR11 Sunday #95
When I posted this OP four days ago soandso Sunday #97
Well, my friend JR11 Sunday #103
Sun dogs and lens flare JR11 Sunday #105
Come on soandso Sunday #116
Until confirmed otherwise, I'm going to hope and believe bucolic_frolic Sunday #104
me too JR11 Sunday #106
also JR11 Sunday #108
Whoever "they" are soandso Sunday #117
Yes! Jrsygrl96 Sunday #107
They want us off their planet. GreenWave Sunday #110
Izzy, please stop! Sorry folks,it's my 5 y/o autistic granddaughter just fooling around Wonder Why Sunday #112
It's just Elmo trolling everyone. eShirl Sunday #114
Drones are the new Swamp Gas. dchill Sunday #126
Synchronized drone terrorist attacks. and here come martial law. OAITW r.2.0 Sunday #127
I am Rebl2 Sunday #128
Arizona, again soandso Sunday #129
Article about detecting false information Kaleva Sunday #135
lol soandso Sunday #136
Two, but different light configurations soandso Monday #137
"6 Drones Spotted Near Naval Weapons Station Earle"... AntiFascist Monday #140
I don't think that's it soandso Monday #143
I don't think they're aliens... AntiFascist Monday #149
NJ gov says "The minute you get eyes on them, they go dark" soandso Monday #151
A few hours ago soandso Tuesday #152
I give you Ezekial's wheel soandso Tuesday #153
Insane number of lights on this one soandso Tuesday #154
Military claims they're not authorized to shoot down the "drones" soandso Tuesday #155
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JustAnotherGen

(33,732 posts)
4. This is why
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:47 AM
Dec 4

I'm keeping the upstairs blinds closed.

Sorry - I live in the area, it's New Jersey . . .and we are laughing in a local women's Facebook group because they are also very close to known swingers clubs.

Like - some kind of weird live stream porn thing?

2naSalit

(93,098 posts)
13. I'm going all out...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:04 AM
Dec 4

And hoping it's extraterrestrials looking for the orange anus to remove him from the planet. Maybe both him and leon since they hang out together, they could get a twofer. Or maybe they're looking for something else.

choie

(4,640 posts)
33. Extraterrestrials are too damn evolved
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:48 PM
Saturday

to want to kidnap those neanderthals (no disrespect toward neanderthals meant)

ReRe

(10,844 posts)
6. I know what can be done.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:28 AM
Dec 4

FBI can make an early morning announcement for the drone operators to come forward or else.
If the unknown operators don't come forward before nightfall, send FBI drones up equipped with
little ammunition baring guns and blast them out of the sky when they are flying over a field!

Hey, I wouldn't want something flying over my house at night and not know what the hell it is.
The people need to meet up and pay the town board a little visit.

wolfie001

(3,778 posts)
8. What about the collateral damage?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:42 AM
Dec 4

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Just imagine the surrounding neighborhood.....

Callie1979

(150 posts)
31. It can be done. This has long passed the curiosity phase.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:46 PM
Saturday

The US needs to know WHERE these are coming from & who they belong to
And ANY flying over military installations should either be shot down or have their GPS signals blocked
This shit has been going on for too long.

ReRe

(10,844 posts)
83. What? I said
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 02:39 AM
Sunday

was "over fields". Animals maybe and insects?
Nah, I actually believe the drone operators can be discovered from above with those fancy schmancy heat seeking see-in-the-dark goggles. I betcha those drone owners live right there in their neighborhoods and think it's a really fun making all this news. Whoever they are, I hope they are publicly indicted, arrested, charged and prosecuted for scaring the whole county half to death.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
118. Think about it
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 05:00 PM
Sunday

Everyone's saying these are as big as cars. Are there hundreds of NJ drone hobbyists hauling around their drones on trailers every night to take em out for a spin?

Response to soandso (Reply #118)

ReRe

(10,844 posts)
144. Seriously
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 05:50 AM
Monday

I'd add their license plate number info down on a list I keep in car to turn into Sheriff's office. Drones as big as go-carts, doon-buggies
or small cars? Them ain't drones. Remember back a couple yrs ago when we had weather balloons flying over? Were they from China or Russia? Do we need to establish a Junior FAA to keep up with miscellaneous things buzzin' around
over our homes & highways, or what?

arthritisR_US

(7,524 posts)
139. I get your point but the reporting is that they are as big as
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 12:41 AM
Monday

an airplane so depending on what they are flying over and shooting them down could really hurt home owners below, that size of craft could do some serious damage to those on the ground .

NJCher

(38,087 posts)
78. the people are meeting up all right
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:39 AM
Sunday

but they are meeting to watch the drones. There is a thread on Reddit saying where they're watching at and people go out to watch with others. Mostly Morris County.

In addition, the thread has people telling their town and if there are drones.

Not all are car-sized.

At least one town has told its citizens they will be flying their own drones and not to panic.

ReRe

(10,844 posts)
84. But still
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 02:58 AM
Sunday

people need to know what's going on. Too bad we can't draw a drone operator into this discussion.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
18. I'm beginning to wonder
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 01:22 AM
Saturday

because people are reporting that the drones are making their clocks malfunction, changing the time on them. That's the kind of thing often reported with UFO sightings. It's also extremely suspicious that these drones are super noisy, sounding like old planes. Drones don't sound like that.

https://imgur.com/UF3Wiz1

LunaSea

(2,929 posts)
34. Spoofing GPS signals is a known countermeasure
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:48 PM
Saturday

and will mess up the clock in your car.
Not the first time drone swarms like this have been sighted-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Colorado_drone_sightings

soandso

(1,627 posts)
42. Thanks for that
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:13 PM
Saturday

I hadn't heard about that case.

Following the meeting local law enforcement was briefly engaged in a search for an unspecified "command vehicle", which was not found before the lookout was rescinded.

That would be the mother ship.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
80. Yes, that was a few days ago
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:46 AM
Sunday

when that made the news and the FAA put on drone flight restrictions but the drones have not stopped. I guess ALIENS don't give a shit about the FAA, lol.

Conjuay

(2,153 posts)
10. This is AMERICA!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:06 AM
Dec 4

I'm truly surprised one hasn't been shot down!

I know, it's too crowded an area for that, but when has that stopped the 2A types?

soandso

(1,627 posts)
44. A post from a UFO witness thread
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:23 PM
Saturday
This "triangular object" did it make any noise at all?

I ask because I had an interaction, with four others, with a small triangular dark object, roughly 50 to 60 feet above us.

It made a low pitched hum, and glided smoothly over us three times.

We were deep in the mountains of PA, Skullkill county, in a valley camped in a small clearing near a spring.

this was about 1981, summer late July, early August.

Heres the interesting part.. we all carried handguns in the mountains. the third time it flew over us, we all fired on it.

44 mag, 357mag. 45 acp and 38 spl.

It was flying very slowly, we could all hear the bullets connecting but they had no effect, it never wobbled, stuttered or changed course, just flew off over the trees.

That was the last time it bothered us though. As I said, it flew slow, was only 50 to 60 feet in the air, triangular in shape about the size of a large dinner table.

We were all very accomplished handgun shooters and we all hit it with the rounds fired.

Hotler

(12,328 posts)
39. That looks like a plane to me. I can see the silhouette of the vertical tail against the sky.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:53 PM
Saturday

Or is it?????

soandso

(1,627 posts)
17. Okay, look at this!
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:49 AM
Friday

We've got these drones that sound, at least to me, like planes but they are not because LE and the FBI say they're unknown drones. There were the UFOs over the air force base and at the airports in the UK and now look at this shit from Arizona!!!

Multiple UAP’s spotted over Arizona

11/29/24

TikTok user uploads a video showing her family’s encounter with multiple UAP’s while on their way to watch a movie.
The man is heard talking to his brother on the phone, the brother is confirming that he is also seeing the same thing.

When the camera pans to the side a saucer is clearly seen hovering over the houses.

Things are starting to pick up.


58Sunliner

(4,987 posts)
147. Not as close as the video.
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 10:03 AM
Monday

But lights from flying craft that can do things that no other craft I have seen, can do. Ability to maneuver on a dime at high speeds and some have also had that very bright central light. You can hear jets and they generally don't fly at night and at their altitude, don't move as fast. Planes move much slower across the night sky compared to these craft. It wasn't just one night.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
20. Something we don't understand
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 04:07 AM
Saturday

Aliens is too confining. Not from here, definitely.

Tonight:

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soandso

(1,627 posts)
23. Imagine tens of drones, as big as cars
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:16 PM
Saturday

sounding like they're blasting recorded engine noises, over your house every night - staying up for there for hours! Hello, DU, look at this shit!!!

We need to know what the hell is going on and if that means nobody knows what they are, who's operating them and why, then so be it but we need the truth. At the least, this a national security threat. At the worst, well...

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Comment on YT:

@plastiktoyz
20 hours ago
New Jersey guy here, just spent 30 mins with my mother freezing our butts off looking at these drones flying over head just a few minutes ago. I live near McGuire AFB and it was nuts there were like 8-10 of them flying at different altitudes. They are not a small plane, I've seen everything fly around this base from Jets to C-10s these things are weird they have the supposed shape of a small plane but one flew by very low and it looked like it was cloaked so the true shape could be seen. Also it makes a turbine sound not a propeller one. It almost sounded like it was faking the sound like it sounded like an airliner passing by at 30,000 ft you know that sound but It was just above my house where I've had C-10 pass-by at that height and it rattles the whole house. Something is super fishing about all this. If they are military just come out and say "yeah those are ours, just ignore them" but they keep saying they don't know what they are.


soandso

(1,627 posts)
27. Wow, an eye witness!
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:39 PM
Saturday

Did you take any pics or video and what did they look and sound like?

IMO, these fucking things are cloaked. They are not what people are seeing and hearing. That's a disguise.

JustAnotherGen

(33,732 posts)
98. It's just crazy
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:21 AM
Sunday

We were all at our Holiday Parade yesterday (electeds) saying we think we have to prepare for a war of the worlds scenario.


Here's one from a reliable witness in our town . . . ie - A true skeptic and cynic who is now a believer.


https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1F31E558Xt/?mibextid=A7sQZp

JustAnotherGen

(33,732 posts)
102. My tiny PD
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:39 AM
Sunday

Doesn't have drones or fire power to knock them down.

I asked one of the County Commissioners what we could do in front of one of my detectives - their response:

Can't Tree Man do anything?

Tree Man is my husband. He chained himself to a tree in our front yard nine years ago to keep the power company from cutting it down.

This council woman's husband is known in the entire county as Tree Man.

Can't make this shit up.

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,346 posts)
48. Someone here was saying that they shot at them and hit them but it didn't do anything.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:40 PM
Saturday

I’m surprised this info isn’t more out there. Finally, maybe a REAL alien story for the NY Post?

soandso

(1,627 posts)
46. There was a missile shot at a UFO
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:30 PM
Saturday

that looked like a ball of light/orb type thing. The missile exploded at what would have been impact and the UFO was completely uneffected. I agree that someone should shoot at these but suspect the outcome would be the same. However, do it!

Bread and Circuses

(190 posts)
29. Please keep us informed
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:45 PM
Saturday

Something odd is going on.
Why would the FBI say anything about it?
They seem to be too low for FAA radar, but surely a skilled drone operator could send his up to take live video?

Attilatheblond

(4,411 posts)
38. Maybe people in the area could hire one of those guys who use small drones with cameras to find lost dogs to take a look
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:50 PM
Saturday

Anybody know how to jam the signals that control them?

soandso

(1,627 posts)
49. My bet is these things can't be jammed
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:41 PM
Saturday

because they are not really drones. They're UFOs - and I don't just mean not identified but not from here.

Attilatheblond

(4,411 posts)
56. Kinda noisy for space alien types
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:31 PM
Saturday

Here in AZ, where we have seen some pretty big & weird things that caused USAF to scramble fighters a few years back, we don't get noise with the UFO things.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
59. Yeah, the noise is loud and even silly
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:49 PM
Saturday

Why they're doing it is also odd. If everyone just golden orbs flying and hovering, what could they do about it? Why disguise them with loud noise and semi-resembling planes?

soandso

(1,627 posts)
122. One thing I've learned
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 05:19 PM
Sunday

with following this subject for years is that there's all kinds of weirdness up there. Some look solid, some like balls of plasma, some have lights, some don't, some make noise and and others are completely silent.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
47. I'd say the FBI is involved
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:38 PM
Saturday

because nobody knows what these are. All hands on deck and nobody knows jack. That's why it's absurd to BS the public by claiming these are not a threat. I don't understand why no other craft - drones, small planes, helicopter, haven't been sent up to get a closer look. Same with looking at them with a telescope or binoculars. I am convinced, however, what people are hearing and seeing is cloaking and the real thing behind the cloaking probably looks like an orb or some other weird thing. Why whoever is behind this is choosing to cloak these things is strange because there are thousands of sightings of orbs/balls of light.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,081 posts)
89. Not necessarily FBI, but it is odd the military are officially clueless, whether they are hiding something or not
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 05:49 AM
Sunday

The FBI wouldn't have air defence / air surveillance systems like the military and civil aviation.

It strikes me as very odd that repeated activity is occurring and the military denies both (a) running them and (b) knowing what they are. It seems they are rather incompetent at defense or at public relations: (b) is clearly an incompetent result and if the case is instead case (a), then the military would be smart to just say, "yeah, that's us, sorry we got you concerned, it is just some operational tests probing our defense systems that need to be kept secret."

soandso

(1,627 posts)
123. I'm sick of secrecy
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 05:39 PM
Sunday

and that's always the way with military and government. Think of the decades of mystery about Roswell. We all live on earth and have a right to be told whatever they know. After all, they're supposed to be working for us, right? Quaint concept, I know. Thing is, with UFOs/UAPs, I don't think they know much but they should just admit it and show us what they do have. Here's one thing I do know: I do not want to see this shit over my house! Why, you might ask. Because cattle mutilations tell me we have no idea about what this is.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,081 posts)
145. It's not aliens or chupacabras
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 06:56 AM
Monday


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation

https://www.newyorker.com › news › letter-from-the-southwest › the-enduring-panic-about-cow-mutilations
The Enduring Panic About Cow Mutilations | The New Yorker
May 8, 2023The historian Michael Goleman has noted that the mutilation panic of the seventies happened at a time when cattle ranchers had plenty of reasons to resent the federal government. In New Mexico ...


It seems that most of the cases would be farmers who want to cover up a disease like foot-and-mouth from veterinarians and governments who might declare an outbreak and obliterate the farmer's business.

It's easy for many people to exploit people's fears to sell books and make videos for TV and internet.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
146. That's BS
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 07:29 AM
Monday

Cattle (and some other animals) mutilations were not just a thing in the 70s, though that was the peak, and have been going on for decades. Who is doing such thing, nobody knows. It's mystifying. Cattle are huge animals and how anyone is pulling this off is unknown.

https://www.ruralmessenger.com/kansas-news/mysterious-mutilations-who-or-what-is-killing-these-cattle/

soandso

(1,627 posts)
52. It's mentioned in the videos
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:54 PM
Saturday

Morristown (I think it was) was one location but much wider area than that. Over some arsenal, an AF base, Trump's golf club, along a river and into Staten Island NY.

usonian

(14,316 posts)
54. Thanks. I was having fun with War of the Worlds
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:02 PM
Saturday

But that was in October.

I often say: "Shit goes down on Saturdays"

Appreciate the OP!

A long ago service buddy came from Mortistown, and the Bedminster stuff is scary in a good way.

Buried treasure from ground penetrating radar.

Mussolini must be worried.

Or scary in a bad way ... Rooskie submarines.

Hope for the best.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
55. We can rule out Trump or subs
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:13 PM
Saturday

because it's happening in Arizona and nearly all over the world. I'm gonna have to do a search and see if any have been reported in Russia or China.

LudwigPastorius

(10,956 posts)
73. Yes, they are actually appearing not too far from Grover's Mill.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:59 AM
Sunday

Just offhand, I'd say this is a viral marketing campaign.

PufPuf23

(9,282 posts)
41. I find it inconceivable that the military, FAA and FBI do not know the provenance of these drones.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:55 PM
Saturday

Otherwise, the agencies that allegedly protect and gather intelligence are incompetent.

Many large drones day after day over heavy populated areas?

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,346 posts)
50. Why is it not being more reported? First I've heard of it and I'm a news junkie.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:48 PM
Saturday

It’s like they say, they hide this because they don’t want the public to go into a panic over UFOs/Aliens. I would think if it was really something explainable like drones, the government would be coming out and explaining what it is and would stop it.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
51. Well, I think this is totally out of their "wheelhouse"
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:50 PM
Saturday

Being told the police, sheriff and FBI are investigating is probably true enough but what are they gonna do? AFAIK, they haven't even sent up their own aircraft for a closer look - unless they have and didn't say because whatever these things are weren't observable close up. What I mean by that is that they (the "drones" ) could blink out, disappear, shoot into space, or mess with the observer's craft. I can't believe it's been going on so long and nobody's tried to get close to one.

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soandso

(1,627 posts)
66. I don't know how calling them drones got started
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:00 AM
Sunday

Could be because observes could tell they aren't planes so it became a case of what else could they be. Oh, drones, that's the ticket, and they sound like 10,000 law mowers, lol.

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soandso

(1,627 posts)
74. It's kind of like when you're little
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:05 AM
Sunday

and something is wrong but your parents tell you everything is okay, when it's not.

PCIntern

(26,940 posts)
148. I am going to dictate this because I'm in a bit of a rush
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 11:09 AM
Monday

My mother and brother who are the most truth,-telling, reliable people I have ever known intimately…

back in the 1940’s:

My mother was picking my brother up at a bus stop from school and an inverted teardrop shaped large craft, Which appeared to have no describable color, and was shimmering,appeared at about a 500 foot elevation. It just hovered there silently. Within a few seconds of them noticing it, two discs shot out from it at roughly 90° angles and disappeared over the horizon with a speed which had never been observed by my mother in her years working for the war department.perhaps two seconds it took for them to vanish.

After a couple minutes that large craft elevated rapidly up and disappeared. Both of them talked about it for the rest of their lives and said that there was no question that it was not of this present technology.

I am going to be blunt and say I don’t give a shit what other people believe or don’t believe that there is no question. There is an existence of these phenomena, whether they are from distant galaxies, or a future Earth, or civilization, of which we have no knowledge which exists within the Earth I don’t wanna hear about swamp gas or jet planes, or astronomical phenomena, masquerading as spacecraft. There have been too many people who are military, police, and ordinary, reasonable citizens who have witnessed these phenomena as a group and of course, there are those who have fabricated stories, but not everyone, that is for certain.

And certainly not my mother and brother, I’ll tell you that. And thank you for your contributions to this thread.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
150. Yeah, I don't care what anyone thinks, either
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 04:25 PM
Monday

I think for some of the debunkers it's a matter of not being able to think beyond the concrete or even fear of the unknown. Whatever, that's their problem.

PCIntern

(26,940 posts)
159. I swear, these deniers are so vociferous in their negation
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 12:12 PM
14 hrs ago

of what individuals have witnessed that I swear they’re being paid to do this. Here, its always the same folk.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
61. Yeah?
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:52 PM
Saturday

Well, you scroll through the thread and look at this pics I posted and tell us what kinds of planes those are.

Takket

(22,613 posts)
70. this seems silly. it is probably just some kids playing a prank
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:35 AM
Sunday

formation drone flying is pretty common now.

NJCher

(38,087 posts)
82. their parents are really busy
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 02:07 AM
Sunday

Driving them all around NJ every night and staying awake at crazy hours.

As if being a parent isn't demanding enough: now they have to drive kids around to fly drones in formation.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
90. Beats me
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 05:59 AM
Sunday

But lots of UFOs do. In this case, I think part of the reason is cloaking. Maybe that's always the case.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
92. OMG, oh, shit!
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 06:46 AM
Sunday

Thank you soooooo much for this video. This is the best UFO footage I've ever seen in my life and I've been down this rabbit hole since the 70s. I've been sitting here saucer eyed with my mouth hanging open. I can't believe this is happening and there is no way that most of us are ready for anything like this. My own city is there and I've heard nothing about it here. I'm in shock.

electric_blue68

(18,445 posts)
132. Wow on the plasma like one from Mexico, the dark sphere with knobs? spotted from a plane in Thaiiland, and the close..
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 08:31 PM
Sunday

multiple lights in Columbia, and the San Antonio, TX one.

EarthFirst

(3,184 posts)
93. I personally find it hard to believe that FBI/NSA/DoD do not know the origin...
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 06:59 AM
Sunday

Whether domestic; recreational/miltary; foreign (espionage) etc.

I won’t speculate further than that; however it’s hard to believe that nothing is known…

soandso

(1,627 posts)
94. I don't think "authorities" know any more than we do about what they are
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:07 AM
Sunday

They may have better looks at these, from some satellite or something, but that's it.

Shit, I need a Xanax and only have a few. This is freaking me out.

Amishman

(5,825 posts)
160. Given what we have seen of the threat of drones in Ukraine, I think state police need to be equipped accordingly
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:30 PM
13 hrs ago

Ukraine has proven the threatening ability of both home made and modified commercial drones.

I think state police as well as law enforcement in major cities should have equipment and plans in place to quickly disable rogue drones.

JR11

(59 posts)
95. Something I've been ruminating on these last 4 days
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:14 AM
Sunday

What we're seeing is the roll out of mercenary drones brought to us by the industrial complex. Most likely Musk's.

I've made mention that with the advent of advancing science and tech, the apex wealth's interests have little use for the majority of us, and that we're considered 'the slack', as made evident in our failing infrastructure and overall system of governance. If you don't know that politicians have been front men for the ultra-rich as an ever-increasing trend, where have you been?



soandso

(1,627 posts)
97. When I posted this OP four days ago
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:20 AM
Sunday

I said these are not UFOs. I was 100% wrong. Go watch the video in post #88. This has nothing to do with Musk or the rich or anything political. Something huge is happening but you need to watch to see for yourself.

JR11

(59 posts)
103. Well, my friend
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:41 AM
Sunday

Discerning minds need have their say.

Right away (20 seconds in) I spotted the 'swamp gas' perceptual effect of ground directed light beams reflecting on cloud cover. I know, I know... it looks strange and otherworldly on the backdrop of the evening atmosphere. It could have been drone emitted light beams as well.

I'm not sure you understand that drone technologies have advanced beyond what we see and know about in the mainstream; and I remain fixed on the unannounced rollout of military industrial complex tech, and more than likely an orchestrated introduction coordinated by Musk as a show to demonstrate (in all honesty) the exclusivity of power and position. When the truth comes out, and the mystick fizzles, other publicly palatable excuses and reasonings will be proffered.

JR11

(59 posts)
105. Sun dogs and lens flare
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:56 AM
Sunday

I've been on the internet since its inception, and I can't count the number of times I've witnessed people so certain that sun dogs were second suns, or that lens flare and glass pained reflections were niburu.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
116. Come on
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:44 PM
Sunday

Did you watch that video? You think Musk is doing drone shows in countries all over the world? And what about the things that are round balls flying alongside of airliners and on the tarmac at Manchester airport? Are they a Musk invention? You think all of the LE, local and federal, along with the FAA, are just covering for Elon Musk in New Jersey? And, do tell, WTF kind of drone is this?



It's been a long time but I've seen a UFO, up close. Huge, right over the top of the car I was in. A friend, two years ago, witnessed bright orange orbs dancing around the sky in broad daylight. He was mesmerized by them until they shot of at impossible speed. There's some weird stuff out there and it's not drones.

JR11

(59 posts)
106. me too
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:57 AM
Sunday

I know, I know... I'm right there with you. I'm of the belief that when they think we're ready, we'll know.

JR11

(59 posts)
108. also
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 08:02 AM
Sunday

Some believe that certain technologies mankind have advanced in a short span were synaptically gifted by higher intelligence.

Jrsygrl96

(191 posts)
107. Yes!
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:58 AM
Sunday

Residents complain about them on Facebook everyday! Our local police department tells us not to bother them and to call the FBI. We have a local airport in town (where JFK Jr took off from that fateful night) and wonder if the drones are some kind of surveillance for some reason. Drones are spotted around 10pm or later. It’s a bit unnerving.

Wonder Why

(4,646 posts)
112. Izzy, please stop! Sorry folks,it's my 5 y/o autistic granddaughter just fooling around
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 08:55 AM
Sunday

with the '50 science kit I found for her in a thrift shop. I'm amazed at what the kids nowadays can do with those old toys.
The flying saucers were okay but building drones has gone to far.

Rebl2

(14,870 posts)
128. I am
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 06:37 PM
Sunday

in a suburb of KCMO and we had three drones flying over our house, neighbors house, a field behind our house on Thursday night. It started about 6:00 pm—10:15pm. It was annoying and rather noisy. My husband went outside and watched them for about ten minutes. I am sure if we talked to the police about it they would not care at all. My husband read they have been over southern MO. as well.

Kaleva

(38,384 posts)
135. Article about detecting false information
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 09:57 PM
Sunday

"NJ drone sightings have residents watching the skies. Should you believe social media?"

"We expect what we read to be true. The American Psychological Association noted on its website in March that "detecting false information is difficult. When we encounter new information, we tend to focus on understanding it and deciding what to do next, rather than evaluating it for accuracy. It takes effort to compare new information with what we already know; when new information is false but plausible, we can learn it as fact."

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2024/12/06/nj-drone-sightings-video-social-media-bigger-picture/76800935007/

AntiFascist

(12,900 posts)
140. "6 Drones Spotted Near Naval Weapons Station Earle"...
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 12:42 AM
Monday
https://newjersey.news12.com/middletown-mayor-6-drones-spotted-near-naval-weapons-station-earle

If they are moving nuclear weapons into this facility, then maybe the drones are being used to ensure there are no security threats, or to check out potential threats.

AntiFascist

(12,900 posts)
149. I don't think they're aliens...
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 02:12 PM
Monday

"alien" rumors are often spread to cover up military activity, ever since a Japanese "Fu-Go" balloon weapon was tested and crashed at Groom Lake in Nevada. You can thank Dr. Vannevar Bush (portrayed by Matthew Modine in Oppenheimer) who also invented the concept of the 'meme', long before the internet.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
155. Military claims they're not authorized to shoot down the "drones"
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 07:02 PM
Tuesday

This is bullshit!!! Out in the ocean the "drones" are tailing a Coast Guard ship but nobody can do anything about it?

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