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It is an ominous sign that Morning Joe felt it had to apologize for something I said.
By David Frum
December 4, 2024, 2:37 PM ET
This morning, I had an unsettling experience.
I was invited onto MSNBCs Morning Joe to talk from a studio in Washington, D.C., about an article Id written on Trumps approach to foreign policy. Before getting to the article, I was asked about the nomination of Pete Hegseth as secretary of defensespecifically about an NBC News report that his heavy drinking worried colleagues at Fox News and at the veterans organizations hed headed. (A spokesman for the Trump transition told NBC, These disgusting allegations are completely unfounded and false, and anyone peddling these defamatory lies to score political cheap shots is sickening. )
I answered by reminding viewers of some history:
In 1989, President George H. W. Bush nominated John Tower, senator from Texas, for secretary of defense. Tower was a very considerable person, a real defense intellectual, someone who deeply understood defense, unlike the current nominee. It emerged that Tower had a drinking problem, and when he was drinking too much he would make himself a nuisance or worse to women around him. And for that reason, his nomination collapsed in 1989. You dont want to think that our moral standards have declined so much that you can say: Lets take all the drinking, all the sex-pesting, subtract any knowledge of defense, subtract any leadership, and there is your next secretary of defense for the 21st century.
I told this story in pungent terms. Its cable TV, after all. And I introduced the discussion with a joke: If youre too drunk for Fox News, youre very, very drunk indeed.
At the next ad break, a producer spoke into my ear. He objected to my comments about Fox and warned me not to repeat them. I said something noncommittal and got another round of warning. After the break, I was asked a follow-up question on a different topic, about President Joe Bidens pardon of his son. I did not revert to the earlier discussion, not because I had been warned, but because I had said my piece. I was then told that I was excused from the studio chair. Shortly afterward, co-host Mika Brzezinski read an apology for my remarks.
A little bit earlier in this block there was a comment made about Fox News, in our coverage about Pete Hegseth and the growing number of allegations about his behavior over the years and possible addiction to alcohol or issues with alcohol. The comment was a little too flippant for this moment that were in. We just want to make that comment as well. We want to make that clear. We have differences in coverage with Fox News, and thats a good debate that we should have often, but right now I just want to say theres a lot of good people who work at Fox News who care about Pete Hegseth, and we will want to leave it at that.
/snip
lapfog_1
(30,225 posts)or possibly anywhere on Quisling TV.
of course I stopped watching MSNBC so I won't see your there anyway.
dchill
(40,647 posts)Irish_Dem
(58,803 posts)Terrifying.
herding cats
(19,619 posts)While it's nice to not be alone in my interpretation of things, I'd kind of rather just be wrong and/or excentric.
Irish_Dem
(58,803 posts)But we are not wrong.
Botany
(72,592 posts)America is truly fucked.
Blue_Tires
(56,230 posts)Trumpers don't care if they have to tear everything down as long as they get to rule over the rubble...
Irish_Dem
(58,803 posts)And hanging on to white male minority rule.
They will not share their power or money.
Everything belongs to them.
newdeal2
(1,070 posts)Such fealty is sickening.
Drum
(9,859 posts)RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(158 posts)Maybe they could all have a hot toddy on the couch. I think what Frum said was spot on (in above text). I'm not a cable TV viewer, btw.
Seeking Serenity
(3,043 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Democrats cozying up to old Bushite neocon chicken hawks that we detested with a white-hot passion in times before gives me the ick.
They are war mongers first and foremost. Just because we share a common hatred of Trump doesn't mean we should be jumping into bed with or helping to rehabilitate the images of these blood-soaked monsters.
They'd have to come out in full-throated support of higher taxes, universal health care, and so forth to prove to me that they've truly changed. ETA: And be fully committed to being anti-war.
ThePartyThatListens
(162 posts)Many of these neo-cons I see praised on this site daily.
It is kinda sickening.
I hope we snap out of this spell sooner, rather than later.
TNNurse
(7,148 posts)Cannot watch.
totodeinhere
(13,337 posts)Remember he was one of the House's impeachment managers when the pukes impeached President Clinton. But then he went on MSNBC and changed his stripes and left the Republican Party in order to fit in with that network. He is obviously a phony.
Botany
(72,592 posts)He also made his bones being on the front lines by being anti abortion too.
arthritisR_US
(7,524 posts)a fecking sod.
kysrsoze
(6,152 posts)These pricks go wherever the money is, and say what theyre told. Joe and Mika can both fuck off.
Nigrum Cattus
(190 posts)They are being played. Once the right has used them up, they will be
kicked to the curb. Gutless.
PSPS
(14,171 posts)NBachers
(18,167 posts)CrispyQ
(38,449 posts)They're worried the con is watching & heard his defense pic got slammed.
dlk
(12,455 posts)I dont have any interest in watching Trump apologists and biased propaganda from Mika and Joe.
Jarqui
(10,497 posts)That is where we are.
Demobrat
(9,921 posts)I will follow my favorites on BlueSky and to wherever they wind up next, but its clear who owns MSNBC, and that makes it not worth watching them or their damn drug commercials.
tulipsandroses
(6,233 posts)I actually enjoyed the show, not for Joe or Mika, but I liked their guest panel. I didnt mind Joes rants. Cowardice and sucking up to trump is unacceptable.
yellow dahlia
(69 posts)False equivalency with Fox - alternative facts just as good as the truth...reasonable opinions on both sides. Aaargh!
SunSeeker
(53,928 posts)Fucking cowards.
MontanaMama
(24,067 posts)election night. Dont miss it.
DallasNE
(7,580 posts)Where everybody was afraid to stand up to Sen. Joseph McCarthy. Then one day someone stood up and said "have you no shame" and that expression broke the back of McCarthyism.
wnylib
(24,552 posts)Not so today.
barbtries
(29,914 posts)perhaps you take your commentary elsewhere. Because it does suck, badly.
yorkster
(2,475 posts)pretty chilling. Also think it took some spine to write it.
barbtries
(29,914 posts)that he slapped back just that fast.
yorkster
(2,475 posts)Then there's the content....
Meowmee
(5,903 posts)jalan48
(14,483 posts)tishaLA
(14,343 posts)In the Murdoch empire. I'll cheer their departure if it happens.
czarjak
(12,498 posts)When W and Rove were "creating our own reality", he was in lock-step too. Vlad was listening AND watching. And here we are. I'd tell the whole lot to GFY's, but as Clint told the empty chair, "You can't do that" .
BoRaGard
(2,996 posts)Dennis Donovan
(26,781 posts)He said that the reason they told Frum to tone it down wasn't out of fear, it was out of concern for Hegseth's alcoholism (they felt Frum's comments were "mean-spirited" because alcoholism is a disease).
intheflow
(28,998 posts)Its bullshit. If it were about mean-spiritedness, they wouldnt have fawned over the 🍊*, the most mean spirited person to ever be elected.
intheflow
(28,998 posts)Blue_Tires
(56,230 posts)If everyone is obediently falling in line, what's even the point anymore?!
Oneironaut
(5,791 posts)Its not shocking - especially from a program that had its hosts run to Mar-A-Lago and polish Trumps boots with their tongues while he laughed at how pathetic they are. And, hes right.
stollen
(585 posts)LA Times and Washington Post...