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Dennis Donovan

(26,773 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:19 AM Friday

The Guardian: How did transgender children in the US become so politicized?

The Guardian - (archived: https://archive.ph/nLruQ ) How did transgender children in the US become so politicized?

The US supreme court is likely to uphold a flimsy and bad-faith Tennessee law banning gender-affirming care for minors

Moira Donegan
Fri 6 Dec 2024 06.00 EST



The politicization of transgender children in the US is one of the most astounding coups of propaganda and organized animus in recent history. Rarely has so much attention and rage been directed at such a minuscule number of people, and more rarely, still, have those people been the most vulnerable and blameless among us: kids and teens.

The first state to pass a ban on transition-related care for minors was Arkansas, in April 2021; less than four years later, more than half of states have such a ban on the books. In 2016, North Carolina lost an estimated $3.76bn in revenue following boycotts after they passed a law banning trans people, including transgender students, from using appropriate restrooms in public facilities; now, 14 states have such bathroom bans on the books, and the boycotts have receded.

These changes in public attitudes towards trans youth – from a broad if imperfect sentiment of tolerance to a widespread and politically weaponized attitude of hostility toward a small minority of kids – did not emerge by accident. It was the product of a deliberate, conscious effort to radicalize large swaths of the United States, and significant chunks of state policy, into a hostility towards a few children.

That effort seems set to bear fruit now, at the US supreme court, in US v Skrmetti, a lawsuit brought by the ACLU and the Biden Department of Justice challenging Tennessee’s HB1, a sweeping ban on transition-related care for minors that was passed in 2023. The law prohibits any puberty blockers or hormones from being prescribed for the purposes of gender transition, but it does not prohibit these medications from being prescribed for any non-transition related purpose. A minor can be prescribed puberty blockers, for instance, if their doctor believes they are experiencing early onset, or “precocious”, puberty; they cannot be prescribed puberty blockers to delay the onset of a puberty that may change their bodies in ways they do not desire for gender identity-related reasons.

That means, too, that a child assigned male at birth could access, say, testosterone treatment, but a child assigned female at birth could not. In oral arguments on Wednesday, solicitor general Elizabeth Prelogar and Chase Strangio of the ACLU – the first trans attorney to argue before the supreme court – explained that this was a straightforward case of sex discrimination, and hence needed to be subjected to a heightened standard of judicial review under the 14th amendment’s equal protection clause.

It will not be. A majority of the court’s conservatives seemed poised to uphold the ban on transgender healthcare, though for a variety of different reasons. Brett Kavanaugh made his usual mealy-mouthed paean to states’ rights, an argument he always makes in questions of federally guaranteed equality provisions, but not before extolling the hypothetical suffering of teenagers who may access gender-affirming care but then later come to regret it. (One wonders if there are any choices from his own adolescence that Brett Kavanaugh has come to regret.) Clarence Thomas and chief justice John Roberts, meanwhile, both advanced the idea that the physiological differences between male and female bodies could moot the equal protection clause’s reach, giving states broad leeway to regulate medicine in ways that would uphold gender hierarchy.

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The Guardian: How did transgender children in the US become so politicized? (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Friday OP
Good ole Christian hatred.... Lovie777 Friday #1
I see many non Christians get hateful or uncomfortable on this issue JI7 Friday #3
Right out of Putin's Playbook Botany Friday #2
Not gonna DeepWinter Friday #4
I'm curious why you felt the need to say anything. Biophilic Friday #10
You are very wise Charging Triceratops Friday #11
My theory: targeting specific groups in order to "cleanse" White Christian America. no_hypocrisy Friday #5
Once the white evangelical right lost on school segregation, they moved to abortion. Now that they're making gains on WhiskeyGrinder Friday #6
When you have half the country... appmanga Friday #7
It was purely political. At first it was the gays. Then it was the gays and abortion. Then it was just abortion. Vinca Friday #8
... Solly Mack Friday #9
Look what Elon did to his own kid publicly, Quiet Em Friday #12
The internet is partly to blame, too. Initech Saturday #20
That includes this very website BootOutTheGoons Saturday #21
It's the same or worse in Great Britian Mosby Friday #13
Texas politician's child came out and pissed him off MagickMuffin Friday #14
You're not supposed to say "transgendered". Mosby Saturday #15
Thanks for the information MagickMuffin Saturday #16
More dead teens Arazi Saturday #17
I'm for parent's rights, but I'm against what could be medical/psychological/pharma fraud. gulliver Saturday #18
Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson, that's how. Initech Saturday #19
Because that's what the GOP ran on. haele Saturday #22
The right-wing isn't happy unless they have a group of innocent people to hate. City Lights Saturday #23

JI7

(90,744 posts)
3. I see many non Christians get hateful or uncomfortable on this issue
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:35 AM
Friday

The more I hear the more I think this hurt more than inflation.

It's different from the same sex marriage and abortion rights where you had strong support among most liberal or democratic leaning types. And even among some moderate Republicans.

But I see people get really hateful and bully like when it comes to transgender people.

Botany

(72,592 posts)
2. Right out of Putin's Playbook
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:33 AM
Friday

Just substitute the word transgender for pedophile.

There is no transgender problem this made up bullshit that hurts people.

no_hypocrisy

(49,041 posts)
5. My theory: targeting specific groups in order to "cleanse" White Christian America.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:58 AM
Friday

Darkly, they have to start somewhere.

1. Trans-sexuals under the age of 18.
2. Trans-sexuals at any age.
3. LGBTQ (First ban marriage. Next allow legal discrimination. Next allow public persecution and marginalize from Society.)
4. Jews and Muslims
5. African-Americans and Immigrants from countries that are in Western Europe
6. Atheists, agnostics, Secular Humanists
7. Intellectuals (e.g., journalists, professors, etc.)

Following the pattern of the Third Reich. *

* The poetic form of a 1946 post-war confessional prose by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984). It is about the silence of German intellectuals and clergy—including, by his own admission, Niemöller himself—following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent incremental purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt, repentance, solidarity, and personal responsibility.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,019 posts)
6. Once the white evangelical right lost on school segregation, they moved to abortion. Now that they're making gains on
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 08:02 AM
Friday

abortion, they need to find something else, and they did.

appmanga

(947 posts)
7. When you have half the country...
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 08:06 AM
Friday

...who believe their kid could go to school in the morning as a boy and come back home that afternoon as a transgender girl, you get stuff like this. Like most culture war issues, this plays on fear, and a lot of parents have (selfish) fears about their child's sexuality. When you can't openly attack racial minorities you look for the next less protected alternative that allows ignorance to prevail.

Vinca

(51,157 posts)
8. It was purely political. At first it was the gays. Then it was the gays and abortion. Then it was just abortion.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 08:10 AM
Friday

Then it was gay marriage and abortion. Then there was nothing. They went searching for a cause and pulled trans out of the hat.

Solly Mack

(93,053 posts)
9. ...
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 08:41 AM
Friday
Clarence Thomas and chief justice John Roberts, meanwhile, both advanced the idea that the physiological differences between male and female bodies could moot the equal protection clause’s reach, giving states broad leeway to regulate medicine in ways that would uphold gender hierarchy.


To uphold gender discrimination, they mean.

Quiet Em

(1,044 posts)
12. Look what Elon did to his own kid publicly,
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:21 AM
Friday

It's just awful. Part of it is about power and control, and the other part is just ignorance.

Initech

(102,261 posts)
20. The internet is partly to blame, too.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:29 PM
Saturday

Seriously, look at any thread on any social media network. Anything that merely mentions trans people or issues, haters are drawn to them like moths to a bug zapper. And they all say absolutely nasty, vicious stuff. It must suck to be a moderator of one of those forums or comment sections, assuming they have any content moderation at all.

Mosby

(17,558 posts)
13. It's the same or worse in Great Britian
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:27 AM
Friday
Campaigners lament ‘completely off’ UK election discussion of trans issues

Trans people say they are being used as political football with heightened mainstream and social media coverage

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/01/campaigners-lament-uk-election-coverage-of-trans-issues

MagickMuffin

(17,171 posts)
14. Texas politician's child came out and pissed him off
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:31 AM
Friday

Last edited Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:42 AM - Edit history (1)


It always starts with intolerance towards other people and how they choose to live their lives.



Jeff Younger sees himself as the “tip of the spear” in an effort that led the state to investigate parents of transgender children for child abuse.

Enter Jeff Younger.

The North Texas dad was sounding the alarm on social media and his blog about his bitter public custody battle over 7-year-old twins with his estranged wife, a pediatrician. The dispute focused on the social gender transition of one twin, who was assigned male at birth but lived as a girl at the mother’s house.

While the mother argued in court that their child drove her transition by choice, wearing dresses and choosing a girl’s name, Younger contended the child was happy to be a boy and that his wife was pushing the child to transition against their will.

His fight became a rallying cry for the hard right. On conservative websites and GOP politicians’ social media, Younger was held up as a victim, a tragic example of allowing the so-called leftist transgender agenda to continue unabated. His child’s birth name became a popular hashtag on Twitter.

Even Gov. Greg Abbott joined in, announcing on Twitter in 2019 that the state would look into the child’s case. Younger’s family became the first in Texas ever investigated by the state for child abuse based on treatment for a transitioning child. His ex-wife reported being threatened and harassed. And LGBTQ advocates denounced what they saw as the exploitation of a young, vulnerable child for political purposes.


https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/14/jeff-younger-transgender-care-house/




Elon Musk has a transgender child.

ETA: I used the incorrect term for transgender and made the edit. Obviously I got schooled by my error.


Mosby

(17,558 posts)
15. You're not supposed to say "transgendered".
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:22 AM
Saturday

The umbrella term for people who identify with a gender different than the one assigned to them at birth is “transgender” or “trans.” These words are adjectives, not nouns. Additionally, the word “transgendered” is offensive to trans people and unnecessarily confusing.

As trans advocate Joanne Herman noted in the Huffington Post, calling someone transgendered is a bit like calling someone “colored.” “One problem with this label was that it implied something happened to make the person ‘of color,’ which denied the person’s dignity of being born that way,” Herman wrote. Similarly, transgendered suggests that being trans is something that happens to someone, as opposed to an identity someone is born with.

The implication behind transgendered flies in the face of science: people can know their gender identity at a very young age. A recent study from the TransYouth Project found that transgender children as young as five years old respond to psychological gender-association tests, which evaluate how people view themselves within gender roles, as quickly and consistently as those who don’t identify as trans.

Transgendered is also unnecessarily long and confusing. LGBT group GLAAD explained: “The adjective transgender should never have an extraneous ‘-ed’ tacked onto the end. An ‘-ed’ suffix adds unnecessary length to the word and can cause tense confusion and grammatical errors. It also brings transgender into alignment with lesbian, gay, and bisexual. You would not say that Elton John is ‘gayed’ or Ellen DeGeneres is ‘lesbianed,’ therefore you would not say Chaz Bono is ‘transgendered.’”

https://www.vox.com/2015/2/18/8055691/transgender-transgendered-tnr

Your welcome.

MagickMuffin

(17,171 posts)
16. Thanks for the information
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:40 AM
Saturday


I have tried to educate myself on this and it is rather confusing.

Most of my gay friends died off during the late 80s and early 90s, so I don’t have many friends to ask about it.

And of course it is a difficult subject to discuss when you don’t want to appear ignorant about it, but that is the only way to really understand and learn more about it. Because like I said I got extremely confused 🤔

And I want to edit my original post because I don’t want to offend anyone.

I truly apologize for using the “ed” at the end of transgender. My very bad attempt at trying to engage with information about the subject and come off by being offensive.



Arazi

(6,995 posts)
17. More dead teens
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:45 AM
Saturday

Who will kill themselves…

I bet they hide those deaths too, just like they’re hiding maternal mortality from their abortion bans

gulliver

(13,332 posts)
18. I'm for parent's rights, but I'm against what could be medical/psychological/pharma fraud.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:15 PM
Saturday

Parents screwing up their kids is a time-honored right and tradition. If some rando doctor tells some parent that their kid can benefit from "medical, psychological, and pharma products" the doctor purveys, and the parent believes them, well, that's why parents have brains. Or not. Tragedies ensue. Earth folks will figure out how to stop them later.

On the other hand, I would say that the democracy has a right to attempt to protect consumers from fraud and to protect kids from bad parents. That's something the people often want to do, and I respect their democratic, one-person-one-vote right to do that. They can, therefore, ban whatever they want to ban, whether they're right or wrong about it. The people decide.

The currently marketed "gender transition" product lines of the medical, psychological, and pharmaceutical industries fall under that umbrella, imo. The people decide according to their own lights and will.

As with guns and other products, I would like to see gender transition product marketers and producers held liable for any damages their products cause. For example, a boy who is promised he can be changed to a girl might later in life decide he wasn't in fact changed to a girl. There should be no limit to civil liability for such cases. Let the court system decide if the boy was defrauded or damaged by malpractice.

haele

(13,602 posts)
22. Because that's what the GOP ran on.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 05:39 PM
Saturday

We ran on economics and women's rights. They ran on false crime and border stats and trans people.
They lied, the Media amplified the lies, and ignored Democrats.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

City Lights

(25,384 posts)
23. The right-wing isn't happy unless they have a group of innocent people to hate.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 05:39 PM
Saturday

There is no hate like right-wing/Christian hate.

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