My grandfather was deported he was a citizen

[Henry203]

We finally put it together that our grandfather was deported in the deportation during the original immigration scare. People don’t know but the original immigration scare was the Chinese.
My grandfather had birthright citizenship and was deported. It took him almost 20 years to have enough money to come back.
My other grandfather was illegal and ended up committing suicide.
We are the poster child of what’s coming. My dad also suffered from Jim Crow. He couldn’t swim in the public pools.

[eppur_se_muova]

1. There's an often-repeated saying that "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it". Unfortunately ...

when our voters can't be bothered to study history, and even refuse aggressively to learn from it (or anything, really), we end up with "leaders" (LINOs ?) who drag us all through a disastrous replay of our worst mistakes, knowing that only the "little people" will suffer while their big donors will only get richer and thus be motivated to donate more and more to their misbegotten "cause".

And as for the "ultimate judge" ...

"Who cares about history? I'll be dead!" -- Geo. W. Bush

[Dave says]

11. Thought GWB said "Who cares about history? **We'll all** be dead!"

IIRC, of course. Remind me how much I disliked him as Prez, although Trump is much, much worse (as we all know).

[liberal N proud]

2. Every immigrant group has been persecuted at some poi t

Weather they came of their own free will or by force, those who deemed themselves above all persecuted them.
It is pitiful how the US treats those it supposedly welcomes with open arms.

If you oppress and persecute the immigrants, they will be forced to work for little or nothing.

[getagrip_already]

3. If you end up outside of the country with no documents....

And no money, it is almost impossible to prove you are a citizen.

Unless you have an active passport (even if it has been lost or stolen, it still needs to be on file), and present yourself at an embassy, file forms, and have a way for them to contact you after they conduct an investigation, you are sol.

Even if you have a lost passport, but no other identification, it can be a tortuous process to get validated to return. And then you have to pay for the replacement and your own way back, though there are aid agencies that can help if you are stranded, depending on the country you are stuck in.

But any government assistance for destitute travelors will likely be non existent. And any assistance in replacing passports will be gone if you were deported for any reason.

[enid602]

10. Docs

Ask any Latin American immigrant. Police take their docs issued by their home countries, so they have to stay here and take whatever informal work they can take.

[getagrip_already]

12. US authorities would likely retain all id and dump deportees without any docs....

They would declare them all false and deport them with just deportation paperwork which would be useless as identification.

Deportees would also effectefively be barred from entering the us ever again.

So good luck. Hiring an attorney will be very expensive and the govt will not recognize the documents presented.

[enid602]

13. Docs

Police here in the States as a matter course demand the immigrants’ docs from their home countries. They toss them. The home countries are very slow in replacing these docs. Very expensive. How many hundreds of miles to the closest consulate?

Without home country docs, the migrants can’t apply for US residency.

Historically, the goal of US police is to keep the immigrants here as cheap, informal labor. I think you’re talking about how police will treat them in the time of mass deportations.

[getagrip_already]

14. Correct, they would be deported with deportation paperwork...

But no official identity docs from either their home countries or the usa.

It would be seized and wouldnt catch up to them during the "unexpected chaos" of the deportation process, made worse by the "lack of cooperation" of the deportees (sarcasm).

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

4. My wife's grandfather was almost deported in 1930s South Texas

My wife’s family can trace back to pre-Texas in the early 1700s.

One relative was killed in La Bahia by an arrow shot to his neck.
This was after the French had left La Bahia.
Died in Dec 1723 (or I recall that the year without looking it up again)

Also direct relations to the founders of city of San Antonio,
AND what became known later as the Alamo,
the original location, before being moved.

Well my wife’s grandfather was a gambler, professional gambler,
He and his family lived in Cotulla Texas area then,,
AND the local sheriff tried to get him to leave and go to Mexico,

He was indeed born in Mexico, but had legally come into South Texas
back then by crossing the border and paying the US border fee,,, believe it was
less than a few US $ bucks or so back then….in about 1918.

In 1930s Many Texas Hispanics, many US born citizens were forced to leave Texas
by the Racist local civil authorities, local sheriff etc

There was a documentary film about the Sheriff killing Texas Hispanics
so they could steal their land. BORDER BANDITS

http://borderbanditsmovie.com/

[dsvajda]

5. Jim Crow

I was raised in a small town about 30 miles southwest of Houston. There was a public pool on the main street but blacks weren't allowed to swim. When the Civil Rights act of 1964 was passed the city decided to remove the pool rather than have nonwhites swim in it.

[Old Okie]

7. Pool

This was actually pretty common; they even did that in my hometown in OK.

[ecstatic]

6. It's still shocking to me that so many children of immigrants

voted for trump. It's absolutely insane and stupid.

[Callie1979]

8. I'm surprised so many immigrants voted for him.

Knowing how hard it was to get citizenship

[akbacchus_BC]

15. I was thinking the same thing since the menace won. Some black folks and other people of color as well.

I cannot believe that over 1,000 children separated from their parents during the menace's first term are still separated. His policies this time will be worst. It's unthinkable that the pos got elected again. What is wrong with some Americans? I will be watching the documentary Separated this evening on MSNBC, it will be a hard and teary watch.

[ecstatic]

16. I have it set to record

When it was happening in real time, it was just so sickening to my heart and spirit. I'm not sure if I'll be able to watch or not due to the physical anxiety symptoms I feel when revisiting trump's atrocities past and present.

[Clouds Passing]

9. I'm so sorry. Your Grandfather...