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Stinky The Clown

(68,472 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:02 PM Friday

Ya know what? Some people ARE celebrating.

People directly injured by an insurance denial or who have a loved one who was injured or died rom a denial are celebrating to varying degrees.

Was the shooting justified? In the largest sense, of course not. But that will not stop those to whom I was referring, above.

Finger wagging, pearl clutching, chastising, etc., changes nothing. It seems to me, those to whom I was referring, above are likely not celebrating. I see whatever their reactions as cathartic. A result of being human.

We've personally had minor denials that resulted in pain or inconvenience. There's no celebrating here. But neither is there much in the way of giving a fuck.


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LizBeth

(10,864 posts)
2. Like I said elsewhere, no way in hell am I going to tell parents having lost a child due to lacking medical
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:09 PM
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insurance how they should feel about this killing.

XanaDUer2

(14,337 posts)
4. Thank you
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:16 PM
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Yesterday, I was scolded for posting UHC made 74 billion last quarter. To the holier-than-thou, my answering another DUers question meant i supported his murder. When i actually truly don't gaf

Scrivener7

(53,038 posts)
3. People can't help what they feel. The pearl clutchers are claiming moral superiority over
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:14 PM
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others because those others had some feelings. That's perfectly ridiculous.

Morality applies to actions.

None of those people letting off steam, whether we agree with them or disagree, have acted on those feelings. Nor are they likely to.

I'll save my judgment for those who do.

usonian

(14,317 posts)
7. Karma is infallible. But it often works on time scales so vast that injustice goes without "payback" for a long time.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 07:52 PM
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That's why we fight injustice.
We are doing The "Karm's work" but in a positive way.

He will come back as the person he savaged the most.
But we don't know when or whom.

Demobrat

(9,921 posts)
8. People celebrate when the wolf that has been eating their sheep
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 09:21 PM
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gets shot. I don’t see any difference between that and this.

Yeah, yeah, the guy was human. Kind of. But that just makes him more guilty. The wolf is acting on instinct. This CEO chose to make his living from killing sheep.

No wonder the sheep are celebrating.

yardwork

(64,622 posts)
12. That's not at all what the post says.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:04 PM
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Also, frankly, I have more sympathy for wolves than I have for many people.

Go ahead and judge me for that.

yardwork

(64,622 posts)
10. Good OP. People don't like being told how to feel.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:02 PM
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We've had much too much of that, imo, over the past year or so.

One lesson we Democrats might take from this is to mind our own businesses a little more, and stop criticizing other people for how they feel about things. Is that really the hill we want to die on?

Stinky The Clown

(68,472 posts)
16. That's one of a half dozen or so reasons we have pulled back from DU and . . . .
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 12:14 AM
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. . . . elsewhere. Much calmer for us to mind our own damn business.

I read a lot of scoldiness and moralizing around here, particularly since this shooting. Is it rhetorical or aimed at the rest of us DUDenizens?

yardwork

(64,622 posts)
18. I'm not sure, but I keep thinking of Trump voters.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:33 AM
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For a decade I have judged people harshly who are entertained by Trump. The more outrageous he is, the more his supporters double down. They do outrageous things to show their support for him. We look on aghast and we double down. "How could they..?"

Suddenly this thing happens and millions of Americans have a spontaneous reaction and.... there's the same scolding and moralizing we've turned on Trumpsters, now turned on us. And it's not new. A lot of us are sick of being told that we're horrible people because we agree with Biden - our Democratic president, whose VP fought desperately to be elected and save us all from Trump - about his approach to Israel. In fact, the scolds may have cost us the election.

So. Some food for thought there. Has the Democratic Party become the party of moralizing scolds? Well, that's a winning ticket. /sarcasm

Jack Valentino

(1,468 posts)
11. If a guy is using his position to take away people's healthcare, he is threatening their lives.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:03 PM
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In Florida, this would be a variation upon "stand your ground".


The same goes for every politician who votes to abolish Obamacare.

They are threatening people's lives, and if they are successful, people will certainly DIE who didn't have to...
No reason why they should be excluded from that group.

(I am not advocating violence against politicians--- but if it happened for the reasons given above,
I certainly would not shed a tear over it.)



Demobrat

(9,921 posts)
14. No reason they should be excluded from
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:39 PM
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living in fear of gun violence. You know, like the rest of us have to.

Jack Valentino

(1,468 posts)
15. Precisely---
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:44 PM
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and maybe they will think a little bit more about their actions,
rather than believing that they are immune from all possible consequences

Like some of the gun nuts like to say,
"An armed society is a polite society"---

only the actions of many of their adherents are none-too-polite
(and I'm not even talking about guns here)

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