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PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,771 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:28 PM Saturday

I would have loved to have had grandchildren.

But my life didn't work out that way. One of my two sons is no longer with us. The other has zero interest in relationships, will always be contentedly single. I refer to him here as My Son The Astronomer. He's a wonderful son and astronomer. But zero kids in his future.

Here's the thing. I've become glad in recent years that I will have no grandchildren, and won't need to worry about their futures, or the futures on their children. Trust me, I'm NOT in any way suggesting others shouldn't have grandchildren. At my age I know plenty of grandparents, and I would never say to them what I'm saying here. Still, my fears of the future are such that I'm glad I didn't have grandchildren.

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I would have loved to have had grandchildren. (Original Post) PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday OP
Ah, my dear PoindexterOglethorpe . . . CaliforniaPeggy Saturday #1
I have four, and worry for them every hour. elleng Saturday #2
I have two daughters leftieNanner Saturday #3
I'm in much the same boat... regnaD kciN Saturday #4
Me too. zuul Saturday #5
sometimes I do the wise thing NJCher Saturday #6
I have to be hopeful for my ten grandchildren. I worry about their future but hoping the next generations chicoescuela Saturday #7
We need your ten grandchildren MadameButterfly Sunday #17
I know how you feel MustLoveBeagles Saturday #8
Yep. I'm not even sure that I wished I would have had them. kerry-is-my-prez Sunday #14
I truly love it that several responses have not been about PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #9
I have long suspected that soldierant Saturday #10
My friend who is also Irish Catholic is in the same boat. kerry-is-my-prez Sunday #19
I have 2 daughters. Dulcinea Saturday #11
My heart is with you. Hope22 Sunday #12
My Mother's family is also markodochartaigh Sunday #13
Bob Dylan, Masters of War: "You've thrown the worst fear Tanuki Sunday #15
I too would have loved to be a granny proud patriot Sunday #16
I don't worry about my grandkids. I'll think they'll adapt to climate change Kaleva Sunday #18
Thank you. Ilsa Sunday #20
If I was an inter-stellar traveler looking for a planet to be born on, I would skip Earth, even if it was highly nmmi Sunday #21
The party of "family values" and "Christian morals" is creating a future hellscape Martin Eden Sunday #22
No grandkids yet. DiverDave Sunday #23
I feel for you kimbutgar Sunday #24
Thank you to everyone who replied. PoindexterOglethorpe Sunday #25
Us too. We need tech support. surfered Sunday #26
My grandson is my biggest worry with all that is going on nini Sunday #27
I worry every day about my only granddaughter Marigold Sunday #28
It's truly scary nini 17 hrs ago #35
Our father never forgave us for not giving him grandchildren. no_hypocrisy Monday #29
My grandfather had 8 siblings RazorbackExpat Monday #32
That's why I kind of believe that's why he punished us for no grandchildren. no_hypocrisy Monday #33
I have three step-grandchildren chowmama Monday #30
I've got adult kids RazorbackExpat Monday #31
I'm in my late 40s... róisín_dubh Monday #34

leftieNanner

(15,719 posts)
3. I have two daughters
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:38 PM
Saturday

No grands yet. (I have a grand-horse).

If I were 30 years old now, I don't know if I would have children. It's a scary world out there.

regnaD kciN

(26,615 posts)
4. I'm in much the same boat...
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:40 PM
Saturday

Neither of my children have any interest in relationships or having kids of their own. There have been times when I regretted that I would never get to be "grandpa." But, with all the world is facing now...I guess I'm worried enough that my youngest will have to go through any of it themselves.

zuul

(14,674 posts)
5. Me too.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:48 PM
Saturday

One adult child who lives in Europe. She loves it there, has no plans to ever live in the U.S. again, and doesn’t want kids.

I desperately wanted a grandchild until a couple years ago. Now it’s a relief that I don’t have any.

NJCher

(38,087 posts)
6. sometimes I do the wise thing
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:52 PM
Saturday

The number of times per day that I say "I'm so glad I don't have children" has decreased to about two per day now that I have stopped watching MSNBC, watching the ABC Evening News, and reading U.S. newspapers.

Back in the day, it was about once every two hours.

chicoescuela

(1,609 posts)
7. I have to be hopeful for my ten grandchildren. I worry about their future but hoping the next generations
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:03 PM
Saturday

will be smarter, kinder and less corrupt. Many of these kids could live into the 22nd century. Boggles my mind.

MadameButterfly

(1,854 posts)
17. We need your ten grandchildren
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:29 AM
Sunday

who will lead us back to sanity. It will happen and they will be part of it in some way or another, and appreciate what we took for granted for so long.

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,346 posts)
14. Yep. I'm not even sure that I wished I would have had them.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:12 AM
Sunday

I’m really hadn’t been too concerned about it one way or the other but I guess I’m glad I didn’t have any. I have a perfectly nice and capable niece who would most likely step in if I need an advocate. When I worked at a hospice, it was either the niece or (usually gay, for some reason) nephew that would make the tough decisions if the person didn’t have a daughter or a paternal son. I also have a trans cousin so maybe he would help. I had to take care of both of my parents when they had dementia. My brother lived with my mother but was of no help. I had to hire aides to come in.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,771 posts)
9. I truly love it that several responses have not been about
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:40 PM
Saturday

having or not having grandchildren, but having or not having children. Thank you.

I was born in 1948 to an Irish Catholic family, and understandably grew up expecting to marry and have children. Over the years it has been enlightening to see other points of view.

Thank you, everone.

soldierant

(7,945 posts)
10. I have long suspected that
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:56 PM
Saturday

those who want grandchildren the most are those who, while growing up, had a good relationship and a strong bond with their own grandparents. That doean't describe me. When I was born I had already lost three out of the four, and while I did learn some things from my remaining grandmother, I fortunately did not learn her habit of telling (easily debunked defensive) lies. My mother also had at most one out of the four - her father's father came to America with his children, but I have never heard a word about his wife. And my mother's mother cam leaving her parents behind to be a comfort to her sister. Which could explain why when I married one thing she said to me was "Don't make me a grandmother."

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,346 posts)
19. My friend who is also Irish Catholic is in the same boat.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:51 AM
Sunday

I don’t think she has been wringing her hands lamenting the fact that she hasn’t had kids. She married 2 alcoholic and crazy men so it’s probably a good thing she didn’t have them. Myself, if I would have the child I was supposed to have would have required that I be connected to a total cheating, selfish asshole of a man for the rest of my life.

Dulcinea

(7,548 posts)
11. I have 2 daughters.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:57 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Both are in college. One wants kids "one day" & the other is ambivalent at best. It's their decision. Maybe one day. I was 36 when I had my first one and 38 when I had the second. Anything can happen.

Hope22

(3,032 posts)
12. My heart is with you.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:00 AM
Sunday

We’ve waited a long time for a grandchild here. Pretty much gave up on the thought. . Six months ago we found there is one coming. I am scared shitless for this little person! All I can do is love him and fill the shelves with books. Valentines baby! Hopefully this country will still be in one piece. Will do my best to stick around for the little one!

markodochartaigh

(2,215 posts)
13. My Mother's family is also
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:06 AM
Sunday

Irish Catholic. But both her Mother's and her Father's families were hit by everything from the Galveston Hurricane to the kkk to yellow fever, cholera, and typhoid. And the wars of course. And there was the abusive priest of course, so my sister only had one son.

Now we are down to my sister and I, two older cousins and a niece and a nephew. My nephew will never have children and my niece, who has moved to France with her French-Moroccan husband is never going to have children either. When I was much younger my
oldest, and wisest, cousin told me that he
would never have children because they would
only be servants to the rich. I was told in school that I would burn in hell for being gay.
When I see where the world is going, I think that burning in hell for all eternity is a small price to pay for not having brought children into this world. And for the instructor who told me that gays should be killed, go ndeine an diabhal áradh de cnámh do dhroma ag fómhar péitseog i ngairdín ifrinn. May the devil use your spine as a ladder to harvest peaches in the garden of hell.

Tanuki

(15,373 posts)
15. Bob Dylan, Masters of War: "You've thrown the worst fear
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:12 AM
Sunday

that can ever be hurled,
Fear to bring children into the world..."


https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/masters-war-mono/

Masters of War
WRITTEN BY: BOB DYLAN

Come you masters of war

You that build all the guns

You that build the death planes

You that build the big bombs

You that hide behind walls

You that hide behind desks

I just want you to know

I can see through your masks



You that never done nothin’

But build to destroy

You play with my world

Like it’s your little toy

You put a gun in my hand

And you hide from my eyes

And you turn and run farther

When the fast bullets fly



Like Judas of old

You lie and deceive

A world war can be won

You want me to believe

But I see through your eyes

And I see through your brain

Like I see through the water

That runs down my drain



You fasten the triggers

For the others to fire

Then you set back and watch

When the death count gets higher

You hide in your mansion

As young people’s blood

Flows out of their bodies

And is buried in the mud



You’ve thrown the worst fear

That can ever be hurled

Fear to bring children

Into the world

For threatening my baby

Unborn and unnamed

You ain’t worth the blood

That runs in your veins



How much do I know

To talk out of turn

You might say that I’m young

You might say I’m unlearned

But there’s one thing I know

Though I’m younger than you

Even Jesus would never

Forgive what you do



Let me ask you one question

Is your money that good

Will it buy you forgiveness

Do you think that it could

I think you will find

When your death takes its toll

All the money you made

Will never buy back your soul



And I hope that you die

And your death’ll come soon

I will follow your casket

In the pale afternoon

And I’ll watch while you’re lowered

Down to your deathbed

And I’ll stand o’er your grave

’Til I’m sure that you’re dead

Copyright © 1963 by Warner Bros. Inc.; renewed 1991 by Special Rider Music

proud patriot

(101,185 posts)
16. I too would have loved to be a granny
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:25 AM
Sunday

My only son , has zero interest in having kids and is in a relationship with
a trans girl who is unable to have kids . so it looks like being a granny isn't
in my cards .

Big Hug

nmmi

(137 posts)
21. If I was an inter-stellar traveler looking for a planet to be born on, I would skip Earth, even if it was highly
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 02:18 AM
Sunday

uncertain I would find another possible planet to check out as a place to be born on. It's just too screwed up.

Martin Eden

(13,538 posts)
22. The party of "family values" and "Christian morals" is creating a future hellscape
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 08:18 AM
Sunday

Wherein children will suffer in a world they had no hand in making.

It is up to us in the present to build a better world for future generations, but the most impactful nation on earth took a giant step backwards last month.

Some of the damage inflicted over the next four years may not be recoverable, and the trend beyond that is not looking good.

I don't blame you for not wanting more children to suffer in a future hellscape.

DiverDave

(5,010 posts)
23. No grandkids yet.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 08:25 AM
Sunday

Mine seem to be fine without a relationship
I'm glad they don't have kids

I worry enough about them.

kimbutgar

(23,460 posts)
24. I feel for you
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:08 PM
Sunday

I only have 1 son who is autistic and I don’t see him marrying and having children.

I get my being around children thing by being a substitute teacher.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,771 posts)
25. Thank you to everyone who replied.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 09:23 PM
Sunday

I am so appreciative of all the varied responses. Kids, no kids, grandkids, no grandkids. We live in a varied world, many different experiences.

nini

(16,729 posts)
27. My grandson is my biggest worry with all that is going on
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 09:33 PM
Sunday

It scares the heck out of me what his life is going to be 😢

Marigold

(210 posts)
28. I worry every day about my only granddaughter
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 11:24 PM
Sunday

She is 6, and a product of two immature divorced parents hell bent on spiting and competing with each other. Then you add in the misogyny, racism, gun violence and hate in this country. I am afraid she has no chance.

nini

(16,729 posts)
35. It's truly scary
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:57 AM
17 hrs ago

Life is challenging with the usual issues we face, but this will bring on things unheard of in this country. It’s going to linger for years too 😔

no_hypocrisy

(49,038 posts)
29. Our father never forgave us for not giving him grandchildren.
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 02:40 AM
Monday

I never married and never considered having children as a single mother.

My sister and her husband were infertile.

My brother and his wife married late, too late.

Personally, I'm glad. Our father would have used our children as weapons against us.

And when he died, he disinherited all of us.

RazorbackExpat

(190 posts)
32. My grandfather had 8 siblings
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 05:12 AM
Monday

Of those siblings, only 2 had kids. And each of those had an only child. And each of those only children was a female. So my grandparents doted on us grandkids. But that was back in the '60s, when the TV was full of Great Society PSAs and there was a lot of optimism for the future...*sigh*

no_hypocrisy

(49,038 posts)
33. That's why I kind of believe that's why he punished us for no grandchildren.
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 06:47 AM
Monday

The "family name" will die with the last sibling. We didn't do our bit for immortality.

chowmama

(520 posts)
30. I have three step-grandchildren
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 04:25 AM
Monday

My fear is, in this current and worsening 'culture' we have, that they're doomed to be either breeding stock or cannon fodder. And I don't think their parents are likely to get the hell out of the country. I wish they would.

RazorbackExpat

(190 posts)
31. I've got adult kids
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 04:52 AM
Monday

But as far as I know, they're not interested in starting families. I'm not pressuring them to get married or anything, because raising a family is really tough, especially nowadays. It might be nice to have grandkids, and I think of all the happy times I spent with my wonderful (maternal) grandparents. But it's a new world today, things have changed, it's not the same today...

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