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According to latest update at NYT, the man arrested had a manifesto with him criticizing healthcare companies for putting profit above care.
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Tbear
(515 posts)Who?
Mangione's background paints the picture of a promising young man with a distinguished academic record. A Baltimore native, he graduated as valedictorian from the Gilman School in 2016, later attending the University of Pennsylvania. At Penn, Mangione earned both a Bachelor of Science in Engineering and a Master of Science in Engineering, specialising in computer and information science. Known for his leadership in founding a video game development club, he was celebrated as a tech innovator during his academic years.
However, recent revelations indicate Mangione's life took a dark turn. Law enforcement sources uncovered online activity linking him to anti-capitalist ideologies and writings critical of corporate structures. The manifesto found during his arrest expressed deep resentment towards "corporate parasites" and echoed sentiments attributed to Ted Kaczynski, the infamous "Unabomber," according to the New York Post.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-luigi-mangione-photos-possible-motive-what-we-know-about-suspect-brian-thompson-murder-1729407
He looks like a Cuomo.
underpants
(186,997 posts)
BoRaGard
(3,001 posts)Or maybe fit for a magician.
magicarpet
(16,766 posts)generalbetrayus
(662 posts)
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(167 posts)Bluetus
(233 posts)He seems like a fairly intelligent person. Everything suggests he knew he would be caught. His priority was on killing the guy in a way that would terrorize CEOs in proportion to how they abuse those who depend on their insurance. He did take steps to get out of the city and lay low while the discussion rose up the "news chain". But he didn't do much to frustrate his capture. He went into shops in plain view. He could, for example, have worn a medical mask and sunglasses, and people would just think he was trying not to spread the flu. He made no attempt to hide his weapons or fake IDs. He surely knows he left DNA on the things he stashed in Central Park.
Based on all these things, I surmise he expected to be captured, and hopes to use his trial to "put UHC on trial", so to speak.
We'll see, but it is far from a senseless act, IMHO.
Johnny2X2X
(21,842 posts)This will go a long way towards how sympathetic the public is to him. If he's just some guy with a manifesto won't play as well as if he's a father or a son of someone who died because of the insurance industry.
SamuelTheThird
(138 posts)There will be at least one person on the jury who will not vote to convict. Manifesto or personal vengeance will be irrelevant to that
Bluetus
(233 posts)Let's assume the shooter is an intelligent person who suffered a tragic loss that can reasonably be seen as the direct result of evil behavior by UHC, and there is evidence he tried desperately to get UHC to do the right thing, and let's say the prosecution offers the jury only murder, not manslaughter, as the charge, then I could see a hung jury.
But if the prosecution offered the jury murder, manslaughter and reckless homicide as options, I could easily see a jury going with reckless homicide. That is still a long prison sentence.
dflprincess
(28,507 posts)Who don't hate health insurance companies.
onenote
(44,772 posts)
Bettie
(17,288 posts)someone who has died due to inability to afford care, someone who had to beg for donations to cover cancer treatments, who didn't go to the doctor until it was far too late, because they couldn't afford the cost of treatment even if it was bad, or any number of other reasons people don't get care.
I know families that don't go to the doctor unless they feel as if they are dying, because the cost is terrifying.
Bluetus
(233 posts)We all know that Americans, and especially the corporate media, have a very short attention span, together with a complete inability to grasp proportions. The media, for example, equates a Hunter Biden pardon for what would normally be a misdemeanor with probation, with pardoning hundreds of Jan6 insurrectionists.
This UHC killing has caught the media by surprise. Americans know they are getting screwed by all parts of our HC system: pharma, insurance, billing etc. The media expected an immediate, unequivocal condemnation of the shooting. And certainly, nobody is happy about an act of murder being the only way for these issues to get any serious attention in the 20+ years of "Advantage". But the public is deeply angry with what companies like UHC are doing to us. Nobody condones murder, but millions of us understand that something like this was probably inevitable, if not today, then next year when they have turned all the denials over to AI programs.
But as you say, the amount of sympathy and continued prominence of the story depends on the motives of the shooter. If he is just a nut case looking for 15 minutes of fame, then that will be the only story told a month from now. But if he is an intelligent, grounded person who suffered a devastating loss in his life and felt this was the only way to get the public to pay attention, that's a different matter.
My gut feeling is that it is more likely he is a nut case.
Johnny2X2X
(21,842 posts)More a Unibomber type than some victimized hero.
I did see his IG had a picture of what looked like spinal surgery X-rays on it, maybe he was injured and dealt with the parasitic health insurance companies over it.
Kaleva
(38,399 posts)Probably could pay cash for any procedure needed.
johnnyfins
(1,448 posts)That way it protects the billionaire class. A vigilante out for street justice scares the shit out of them.
Skittles
(159,970 posts)a fucking psycho
LeftInTX
(30,333 posts)soandso
(1,629 posts)Mangione's social media posts run the gamut from praising the opinions of right-wing figures like Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson to leaving positive reviews on Goodreads for books including Dr. Seuss' cautionary environmental tale The Lorax and the manifesto of Theodore Kaczynski—better known as the Unabomber.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/luigi-mangione
NJCher
(38,096 posts)Whether or not he or a cop in the evidence chain of command loved someone who was a victim of the insurance industry...
tenderfoot
(8,870 posts)eom
LAS14
(14,758 posts)onenote
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WarGamer
(15,631 posts)One... you magically get 1000+ miles away from the scene in 24hrs.
As in... shooting at 645am, bus to EWR and board a plane by 830am, arrive in Miami by lunchtime before the NYPD has even had time to review cameras and tape...
OR
establish a nearby hiding place and stock it up for a month long stay inside...
People who are actively fleeing in the week after an incident are always caught.
allegorical oracle
(3,267 posts)Kaleva
(38,399 posts)Stock pile a local hidey hole with enough supplies for months. Be prepared to blend in with the local homeless population
MineralMan
(147,850 posts)More will be coming.
doc03
(36,818 posts)
orleans
(35,144 posts)"He has been arrested on charges tied to the gun, a law enforcement official said. The weapon is a ghost gun – an untraceable, homemade weapon – another law enforcement source told CNN."
"The man also had a two-page document railing against the health care industry and suggesting violence is the answer, a police official who has seen the document told CNN.
Altoona police are waiting for NYPD detectives, who are en route."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-monday/index.html
"Luigi Mangione, who was valedictorian of Gilman’s graduating class this year, based the speech he delivered at graduation around a similar theme: maintaining tradition while also pioneering innovations."
(article with photo from 2016)
https://baltimorefishbowl.com/stories/baltimore-valedictorians/
Ping Tung
(1,367 posts)How does that work?
ck4829
(36,086 posts)tenderfoot
(8,870 posts)It will be interesting to find out why he specifically targeted Johnson and how did he know where he'd be.
I had a feeling this would all turn out to be weird af and it is.
NJCher
(38,096 posts)you murder someone who is already killing people right and left. Then you save thousands of lives by killing that one person because they are unable to continue in their "job."
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Ping Tung
(1,367 posts)Would it include the lawyers, secretaries, janitors, drivers, etc? Is murder just another tool to be used to "save" lives?
How about the politicians who passed the laws regarding the health insurance companies or the mail carriers delivering the bulls?
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche
NJCher
(38,096 posts)we will have to see how events unfold.
tenderfoot
(8,870 posts)
SunSeeker
(53,932 posts)tenderfoot
(8,870 posts)SunSeeker
(53,932 posts)He talks about his and his mom's medical problems and the Hell they went through to get treatment covered.
LeftInTX
(30,333 posts)Also fake was a youtube account attributed to him.
There's no way his millionaire healthcare, heir mother had United Health insurance. His family owns nursing homes. They knew what the shitty policies were.
BTW: His mother appears very healthy and owns a Mediterranean travel agency. His sister is also a doctor
SunSeeker
(53,932 posts)A few weeks later, the user wrote that he had undergone spinal surgery, which improved his symptoms. The user did not appear to post about health insurance related to the surgery, or connect the treatment to UnitedHealthcare.
The user also detailed past struggles with health issues including Lyme disease and severe brain fog, which he said started after losing sleep during his fraternity’s “hell week” and caused his college grades to start “tanking.” He expressed frustration about how little was understood by the medical community about brain fog, writing that “it’s absolutely brutal to have such a life-halting issue… The people around you probably won’t understand your symptoms - they certainly don’t for me.”
His profile picture on X includes an apparent x-ray of metal pins in a spine. Emergency physician Dr. Kashif Pirzada wrote on X that the picture, "Looks like a lumbar spinal fusion surgery." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14175717/amp/Alleged-assassin-Luigi-Mangione-psychedelic-treatment-surgery-UnitedHealthcare-CEO-Brian-Thompson.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/12/09/brian-thompson-assassination-man-apprehended-new-york/
Maybe he got hooked on pain meds from his back surgery and lost his mind.
LeftInTX
(30,333 posts)Just like his YouTube channel was created after he was arrested. People post stuff for clicks. They get the clicks and then it's bait and switch. Happens all the time. That's how scammers make money.
SunSeeker
(53,932 posts)Virtually every MSM outlet has confirmed the surgery, along with people who knew him:
Luigi Mangione Suffered Chronic Back Pain, Friends Say He Fell Out Of Touch Earlier This Year
The loss in contact seemed to align with a back surgery Mangione underwent to treat chronic pain linked to a pinched nerve. R.J. Martin, the founder of a co-living space in Hawaii called Surfbreak, told the Honolulu Civil Beat that Mangione lived in the community, near Honolulu’s Ala Moana Beach Park, for six months in 2022. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/luigi-mangione-back-pain-friends_n_6757aa85e4b06e16ef42e7b2
A painful spinal surgery upended suspect Luigi Mangione’s life prior to arrest for UnitedHealthcare shooting
https://fortune.com/2024/12/10/luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-united-health-spinal-surgery/
Luigi Mangione's Back Pain: What We Know About Suspect's Spinal Surgery
https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangiones-back-pain-what-we-know-about-suspects-spinal-surgery-1998593
LeftInTX
(30,333 posts)The screenshot of the manifesto that you shared in your previous post is not in the MSM articles. It doesn't come from CNN, I had to look it up.
It came from substack and was shared on reddit and twitter and was posted after he had been in jail for about four hours! It was removed by substack because it was an impersonation
So, it's a screenshot of a deleted post, it's not even a post.
There is no evidence that all of this happened to his mother. No MSM is stating this. Only Newsweek attempted to verify the manifesto.
If you have a MSM link about that 4 page manfesto, share it. The back surgery MSM links are not his four page manifesto. Yes, he had spinal surgery, but the four page manifesto cannot be verified, so therefore it is not in the MSM.
Unverified Luigi Mangione Substack 'Manifesto' Shared Online
Despite Mangione's arrest and charges being a matter of public knowledge, the Substack went live on Monday evening, with a Wayback Machine record showing that it had been "launched" for two hours as of 9:43 pm ET. Page data suggests the post was published at around 6:06 pm ET.
However, Mangione was arrested on Monday morning as per New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch's statement the same day. Although Substack posts can be scheduled to be published at a set time, the timeline leading to Mangione's arrest suggests he may have had little opportunity to write a post, not least of all the counterintuitive move of publishing digital content that could help trace his identity and location.
The Substack post also does not include the line "These parasites had it coming." Multiple outlets have reported that line was in a handwritten manifesto recovered from Mangione's person during his arrest, citing law enforcement sources.
In a statement, Substack appeared to confirm to Newsweek that the article in question was not published by Mangione.
"We've removed this post for violating Substack's Content Guidelines, which prohibit impersonation," the company said.
https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-substack-unverified-manifesto-1998598
SunSeeker
(53,932 posts)Everyone said he was a normal guy until then. He fell off the radar after his back surgery.
Not sure how United Healthcare comes into the picture if that 4 page letter is fake, unless he is just going by something he read in that book, "Delay, Deny, Defend."
LeftInTX
(30,333 posts)Substack determined that Luigi did not post it. Some troll likely posted it.
If it's real, it will come out in evidence.
Here is what part of his real manifesto says:
Mangione, 26, also wrote that he was not “working with anyone” when he allegedly fatally shot CEO Brian Thompson last Wednesday outside the Hilton Hotel in midtown Manhattan.
“I do apologize for any strife or traumas but it had to be done,” Mangione wrote in the note, according to three law enforcement sources who spoke to NBC News.
“Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.”
The three-page note criticized UnitedHealthcare, the broader U.S. health-care industry, and corporations.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/10/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-manifesto-parasites.html
It doesn't reference his mother.
We don't know what else is in the manifesto. But it has the word parasites. "Parasites" is not in the screenshot.
SunSeeker
(53,932 posts)Again, not sure how he came to focus on United Healthcare other than that book, "Delay, Deny, Defend", which also appears to have inspired his etchings on the bullets.
Or he could just have slipped into schizophrenia, like an old high school classmate of mine. He was captain of the high school swim team and everyone liked him. Then he sunk into schizophrenia in his early 20s, ended up homeless, then arrested for stabbing someone to death by his mid-20s. It was awful.
LeftInTX
(30,333 posts)It happens. Also when you read other stories, it tends to magnify in your head. What millions? Millions of people?
All of a sudden it "isn't about me", but about "millions"..... That in itself can make people feel very overwhelmed. When in reality, we can't change the world. We can only change our small part of it.
And yes, psychosis is a real possibility.
Us old folks have chronic pain support groups, (we discuss coping etc) but I can't picture him plugging into something like that.
NJCher
(38,096 posts)some of the people posting on that thread are far nuttier than he appears to be.
tenderfoot
(8,870 posts)eom
Silent Type
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Nimble_Idea
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Deep State Witch
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DFW
(56,741 posts)The description "criticizing healthcare companies for putting profit above care" could surely apply to at least 50,000,000 American adults. I'm no cop, but I'm rather confident that the number constitutes rather a wide pool of suspects for law enforcement to narrow down.
this is the guy.
Gonna' be real interesting. He is certainly not your typical shooter.
barbtries
(29,915 posts)in hearing his back story.
he'll probably get life without parole while Kyle Rittenhouse gets to live out his life as a free man.
Justice, schmustice.
RockRaven
(16,451 posts)Days later and hundreds of miles away yet he still is carrying around the murder weapon and fake ID as well as evidence of motive.
NJCher
(38,096 posts)Leads me to believe people think he's a savvy criminal. They think he's a nut case.
As far as still having the weapon, perhaps he thought he needed it in a shoot out.
Skittles
(159,970 posts)he is pathetic
NJCher
(38,096 posts)A friend just texted me and says that he was the valedictorian of his high school.
Also, he graduated from Penn with degrees in engineering. Ivy League.
LeftInTX
(30,333 posts)Gun was 3D print thing.
The Mangiones own several country clubs, including Haysfield Country Club in Hunt Valley, as well as healthcare facilities and real estate companies in the Baltimore area.
Luigi is the cousin of Maryland Republican Delegate Nino Mangione, who represents parts of Baltimore County.
According to our media partner at The Baltimore Banner, Luigi's late grandfather, Nicholas Mangione Sr., was a self-made real estate developer who owned country clubs, nursing homes and a radio station. His grandmother Mary, who died in 2023 from Parkinson's disease, was described in an obituary as a hospital benefactor and a music patron.
The Banner reports the Mangione family purchased Turf Valley Country Club in 1978, establishing it as a golf course resort and residential community. According to the Banner, family businesses also include the Lorien Health Services nursing homes and radio station WCBM-AM.
