Writing a manifesto seems incredibly narcissistic to me.

[milestogo]

Is this a "thing" now? Does everybody write one? Or only people planning to commit felonies...?

[Ocelot II]

1. Of course they're narcissistic. They're written as a justification

for the felonies they have committed or are about to commit, and which the writer considers himself so especially enlightened that he's entitled to commit. See also the Unabomber and Anders Breivik.

[Hugin]

2. I'll PM you mine.

Seriously, though. The Declaration of Independence could be considered a manifesto.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. lol what on earth

[TBF]

4. I see we've reached the part of the story when we decide the best

way to defend the insurance company is to chip away at the alleged felon.

It was interesting watching the blow up yesterday. Said felon is a rich kid, and that so didn't agree with folks' fantasies of him being a Robin Hood.

He was making a political statement, apparently after dealing with a medical issue. "Manifesto" is a fancy word used by the police/press to frame the story.

I'm not going to defend his alleged behavior, but I will go on record as saying the "healthcare" company is not blameless. And the CEO who decides AI is a great way to shuffle through and deny claims is certainly not blameless either. Murder in the street vs. murder by spreadsheet. You'd think we could come up with a better system.

[Silent Type]

7. Seeing no evidence he, family, friends suffered because of insurance denials, I think he's just a rich kid

looking for relevance and found a rationale to shoot someone in the back. Makes me thing of the Una-bomber.

Hell, his family owned nursing homes. You think health insurance is bad, take a look at the nursing home industry.

The only ones to blame for our health system is Congress. They've had 60 years to get this right, and look at what we have.

[TBF]

13. I rest my case.

You have no idea about his health history. Unless you work for UHC and are violating HIPPA.

Deny, defend, depose.

[Silent Type]

15. There is no evidence he had UHC insurance. He just picked someone to shoot in the back.

[TBF]

16. Deny, defend, depose. I'm gonna add "deflect" to my list. nt

[Sympthsical]

5. Have you seen the length of some of my posts?

Every day is manifesto day in this household.

[MineralMan]

6. It seems that way because it is.

People who do things like assassinating someone often write such a thing. They feel fully justified in doing what they did. It's not uncommon for such people to attempt to explain their justification in writing.

It's not a "thing," though. It's something some people do. We hear about such manifestoes after they act.

[BannonsLiver]

33. And they can be about any subject

I once read a manifesto about the Kia Soul.

[ecstatic]

8. Was it written ahead of time or at the McDonald's?

[milestogo]

10. Ahead of time.

First you write the manifesto. This establishes that you are not insane. Then you commit a terrible crime. Then you flee.

After you are arrested the authorities search your online accounts and the world reads your manifesto.

[Historic NY]

29. Free Wifi and a happy meal

available

[jalan48]

9. It's just a term seldom seen these days. Karl Marx's "Manifesto of the Communist Party" is one of the most famous.

[Hekate]

34. Seldom seen except every damn serial killer with a political or social ax to grind. In other words: common

[jalan48]

35. Common among serial killers. Not so common otherwise.

[Hekate]

36. It certainly gets them in the news

[Coventina]

11. I wrote a manifesto on the 2000 stolen election.

Maybe I'm a narcissist?



Personally, I love manifestos.

Putting your ideas out there in declarative form is a great way of communicating.
People can agree or disagree, but at least you've made your position clear.

[milestogo]

12. He was in a book club in Hawaii where they read the Unabomber's manifesto.

He was in a lot of back pain.
Something has been percolating for a long time with this guy.

[gab13by13]

14. It's better than

Cutting and pasting articles from the MSM.

I give my opinions.

[Buckeyeblue]

17. Extreme pain can do a lot to a person

It can impact your ability to think and reason. People in extreme pain have a lot of time to sit and stew about things. I would say it could lead to mental illness but I'm not sure on the science of that.

[milestogo]

18. I agree but

suicide is probably more common for someone in extreme pain than homicide.

It takes a lot of energy to stalk someone, kill them, and flee.

[Silent Type]

20. Definitely. But he got treatment, so why shoot an insurer in back. Maybe the docs botched up.

[yardwork]

27. Maybe you don't know all the details.

[Silent Type]

28. Neither do you. I know he had an spinal xray on his social media pages. So he got treatment. Plus he's from a

wealthy family that could pay for any insurance denial. There is no evidence of that at this point.

From what I've seen so far, he has "Una-Bomber syndrome" or something. Maybe we'll find out more when the defense tries to come up with the motivation.

[Self Esteem]

19. I mean, taking someone's life is pretty narcissistic if you ask me.

[gab13by13]

21. So a case could be made

That the United Healthcare CEO was a Narcissistic psychopath?

[yardwork]

25. It's been said that most CEOs of large companies have traits of personality disorders.

I'm not going to armchair psychoanalyze, but if you look at the definition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and compare it to the behavior of most famous people - CEOs, actors, politicians, Elon Musk - there's quite a bit of apparent overlap.

Does that mean they all deserve to be shot dead? No. But we have a situation now where there are a LOT of self-absorbed billionaires swaggering around, buying yachts and mansions with spare cash, making decisions that hurt a lot of people, and their attitude seems surly, like they can't figure out why they're not more popular. It's kind of predictable that people might start taking shots at them, especially since the country is awash in guns.

Not saying it's right or good. Just pointing out predictable cause and effect.

[Self Esteem]

31. Every president we've ever had has probably been a narcissist.

How you could you not be if you believe you're good enough to rule the most powerful country in the world lol

[SocialDemocrat61]

38. So Joe Biden is a narcissist?

Here are the traits of a narcissist, please cite examples of when Biden exhibited these traits:

Exaggerate their achievements and talents, or expect to be recognized as superior without accomplishments to support this.

Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.

Believe that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status individuals.

Require excessive admiration.

Have a sense of entitlement or unreasonable expectations of overly favorable treatment or expect automatic compliance with his or her expectations.

Take advantage of others to achieve their requirements.

Lack empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of them.

Demonstrates arrogant or better-than attitudes and behaviors.

[yardwork]

22. What else is a message board like DU?

Every time we post here, aren't we all being a little bit narcissistic?

[milestogo]

24. Well its a group manifesto then.

[yardwork]

26. I like that! We're not narcissists. We're a movement!

[SocialDemocrat61]

37. By that definition

Everyone who speaks out about an issue they care about is a narcissist.

[Solly Mack]

23. That's why I always refrain from sharing my views on anything.

I slay me.

[Basso8vb]

30. It has been forever.

[nilram]

32. Guessing it was in case he got shot

and wouldn't be around to explain his motives.

[obamanut2012]

39. The shooter didn't have a manifesto

He had a message for teh Feds that was about a paragraph long. That's it.

And, what do you mean "no"? That's much more a =of a thing from the 60s and 70s. The Unabomber being the best known, and his wa published in 1995