Maybe it is time to give some emotional support for Luigi - I'd like to know his story

[Stargazer99]

I've already heard the whining of the wealthy. I'm sure there are two sides to this killing why haven't I heard about the shooters story? Are the wealthy scared? Analyze why his story has not been heard...or are you only going to hear one side to control you...

[elleng]

1. Thanks. Good idea. Suspect in C.E.O. Killing Withdrew From a Life of Privilege and Promise

The suspect, Luigi Mangione, was an Ivy League tech graduate from a prominent Maryland family who in recent months had suffered physical and psychological pain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-luigi-mangione.html

[KewlKat]

2. Perhaps he was extremely depressed due to his chronic back injury

Sounds like it prevented him from doing things he enjoyed and made it difficult to impossible to have intimacy per what I’ve read.

I’ve suffered from intractable pain for years at a time and it is life altering. Perhaps his anger and frustration caused by this pain made him make very bad choices feeling he had nothing else to lose?

[LeftInTX]

12. He also is of the age when young men will have a psychotic break. This is often genetic and doesn't have much to do

with social status etc.

[Lulu KC]

22. And young women n/t

[lame54]

3. First thing you should know about him...

He shot somebody in the back

[BannonsLiver]

5. As if it matters either way.

Nobody’s handing out kudos if he shoots him in the front. It’s a silly point.

[lame54]

7. Shooting someone in the back...

Has ALWAYS been synonymous with cowardice.
You are the silly one

[TommyT139]

27. Not "always"

For one huge example, in war.

[DronePilot]

9. Finally - someone said it. What difference does it make?

[NJCher]

32. My, aren't you clever

Eom

[TBF]

4. The Insurance Company apologists on this website -

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will not like that.

Personally, I have a lot of empathy for someone in pain as I have the same with rheumatoid arthritis (flare ups are painful, and you never know when they're coming), but I'm sure just saying that will put me at odds with the apologists who are after profit by any means possible. They are in every thread defending this horrific blood-sucking system. IDK who they work for - or if they are just shareholders determined to see worth from the companies. At any rate, that's what I've seen.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

6. The victims of Brian Thompson

need emotional support and to have their stories told.

[Sympthsical]

8. "Why haven't I heard about the shooters story?"

Have you looked? Because it's kind of everywhere at the moment.

I already know more about this guy than I do many classmates and co-workers.

[LeftInTX]

10. He's wealthy himself. He said good things about the Unabomber recently.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/luigi-mangione-went-dark-in-2023-he-returned-transformed/

Something happened to Luigi Mangione in 2023.

He had been the valedictorian of his private Maryland high school—Gilman, where annual tuition is currently $35,000—graduating in 2016. He was strong, good-looking, and smart: a golden son in a sprawling Baltimore family whose wealth had been built by his grandfather, Nicholas Mangione Sr.

The dynasty’s business interests ranged from hotels and country clubs to a radio station and a care facility for seniors that most recently declared $36 million in annual revenue. Luigi was, among dozens of Nicholas’ grandchildren—there were already 37 in 2008—the heir to his grandfather’s empire.

He went from Gilman to the University of Pennsylvania, studying computer science, starting a club where developers could build video games, working as a developer for the makers of Civilisation VI, and spending the summer of 2019 at Stanford as a teaching assistant in AI.

____________

I guess if I supported the unabomber, I would support Luigi.

In 1994, Burson-Marsteller executive Thomas J. Mosser was killed after opening a mail bomb sent to his home in New Jersey. In a letter to The New York Times, Kaczynski wrote he had sent the bomb because of Mosser's work repairing the public image of Exxon after the Exxon Valdez oil spill.[65] This was followed by the 1995 murder of Gilbert Brent Murray, president of the timber industry lobbying group California Forestry Association, by a mail bomb addressed to previous president William Dennison, who had retired. Geneticist Phillip Sharp at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology received a threatening letter shortly afterwards.[64]

Similar motivations.

Also, lots of people cheered Weather Underground in the late 60s and the bombing of the UW math building. Trying to end the Vietnam war would be considered a noble cause. However, their tactics were not my cup of tea. You do you. I do me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

[buzzycrumbhunger]

11. His manifesto is out...

He's watched his mum suffer with debilitating neuropathy, then suffered his own back issues. When I heard he admired the Unabomber's POV, I thought this would be looney, but it's full of pain and anger at the insurance industry that delayed and denied treatment--and I suspect he expected to end up the same. He did this expecting to go out making a statement. 😕

https://archive.is/7jUsF?

[LeftInTX]

15. I can't find anything about that except in Newsweek. Unverified Luigi Mangione Substack 'Manifesto' Shared

Also a fake YouTube channel was launched by him after his arrest.

https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-substack-unverified-manifesto-1998598


A Substack post called "The Allopathic Complex and Its Consequences" went online on Monday evening after Mangione, 26, was detained at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania.

The post tells the story of the author's mother suffering from "severe neuropathy", the cost of her treatment, and the limits, it alleges, of UnitedHealthcare's coverage. It also mentions the author's back pain, which Mangione also reportedly suffered.

Despite Mangione's arrest and charges being a matter of public knowledge, the Substack went live on Monday evening, with a Wayback Machine record showing that it had been "launched" for two hours as of 9:43 pm ET. Page data suggests the post was published at around 6:06 pm ET.

However, Mangione was arrested on Monday morning as per New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch's statement the same day. Although Substack posts can be scheduled to be published at a set time, the timeline leading to Mangione's arrest suggests he may have had little opportunity to write a post, not least of all the counterintuitive move of publishing digital content that could help trace his identity and location.

____________

I know his family has excellent healthcare. (They own healthcare facilities and his sister is a doctor) His mother appears to be in good health and owns a successful travel agency. I seriously doubt she has el-cheapo UHC insurance.

Here is his mom:

[Sympthsical]

16. The word "parasite" doesn't appear in that substack

And that was a rather prominent word in what law enforcement released about what was written.

Also, the thing reads like someone's tumblr fan fiction just generally. I read some of the guy's Good Reads reviews, and that highly overwrought and stylized fiction doesn't ring true.

[LeftInTX]

19. I read in the Daily Mail that his mom tried to make him "right handed". Besides her being a travel agent and his

sister being a doctor, that was all I could find out about his mother.

I won't link the article. The suspected killer of UnitedHealthCare CEO Luigi Mangione claimed his mother made him eat steak with his right hand even though he is left-handed.

He's not having a very good day today.


Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson who is facing a slew of charges in Pennsylvania and New York arrived to court Tuesday, yelling.

Mangione is now in court awaiting his extradition hearing.

Mangione could be heard yelling, in part, “it’s completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the American people. It’s lived experience!”

CNN is working to determine what else Mangione yelled as he was escorted inside.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-shooting-12-10-24#cm4irosip0005356q60fp54gb

[Lulu KC]

23. That is a fake "manifesto"

It has been removed from where it originated. There's another whole DU thread just about that from earlier this evening.

[MineralMan]

13. Lots of information about him out there.

Where are you looking?

[Bonx]

14. He's a cold blooded murderer. I don't care about his story.

[Stargazer99]

21. So is the insurance companies when they deny needed care-take profit out of health care

[NJCher]

33. So why are you on this thread?

Just ignore it if you don’t care.

[SheltieLover]

17. I'm wondering whether AI delayed or denied his approval

For surgery. Sure, he is wealthy & bought the care he needed, but maybe this triggered thoughts about those less fortunate. Just speculating. Maybe he slipped up & said something in his sworn stmt that was used against him? Aka "deposition."

How this might fit with his rwnj political stance I don't know.

[LeftInTX]

20. Spinal surgery is always risky!!! It can result in "failed back surgery"

"Failed back surgery" doesn't have anything to do with insurance. Sometimes it is due to poor surgical technique, sometimes it is due to anatomy, sometimes they don't know what causes. The main way insurance would come into play: Poor rehab coverage, denial of subsequent controversial "corrective" surgeries. All spinal surgeries require excellent post op physical therapy. Some plans limit the number of visits per calendar year. However, even if Luigi had a shitty plan, he had enough resources to pay "out of pocket" for physical therapy. I've been there myself and paid once I was denied. Didn't want to go through all the hassle of filing appeals etc.

However, it can result in subsequent surgeries. Sadly, it's like getting plastic surgery to correct plastic surgery. I have a friend who had a fusion of two discs, which resulted in instability of the surrounding discs. Her entire spine ended up with some sorts of fusions. I haven't seen her in 20 years, so I don't know if she is still alive.

[NJCher]

34. There was a book out

The entire book was devoted to stories like the one you cite. You walk away from that book wondering if it’s worth the risk.

Back surgery is very, very dicey.

I recall getting the book at my local public library.

[Skittles]

31. or maybe he is just a gun humping POS

[SheltieLover]

38. Of course he is

But where he directed his anger puzzles me.

[Skittles]

40. I'm thinking this is probably NOT his first offense

the man is a fucking nutcase

[SheltieLover]

41. I hadn't thought of that

I must admit to not spending much time or any effort whatsoever researching this guy. Lol

I'll bet you are right!

[SheltieLover]

42. It will be interesting to see what our legal system does with this

(To the extent of skimming headlines when they appear.)

After all, there are 2 caucasians with penises & way too much money involved. Will our "justice dept break the golden rule & punish the murderer? I'm sure this will cause great "concern" because to not punish this guy would offend the dead CEOs family & corporate interests...

I suppose it depends upon whose family has the most money.

Insanity plea? Affluenza defense?

[Skittles]

43. yes, it will be quite the quandary

rich scum killing rich scum, what do do!

[SheltieLover]

44. Ikr?

[Skittles]

45. yes INDEED

[Jacson6]

18. Apparently he has a problem with a pinched nerve along his spine.

He was given a medical treatment, but it didn't relieve the pain. I don't know if he became addicted to pain killers and/or he blames the insurance company for not healing him. So maybe he took out on the CEO?

I'm just stating some fragments of news stories I have watched in the last 24 hours.

His attorney should get his client medically and mentally evaluated ASAP.

IMHO.

[Lulu KC]

24. Lots of info here and his back surgery went well--chronic pain was before that

He had the surgery in 2023, felt good, then fell off the map.

“The surgery wasn’t nearly as scary as I made it out to be in my head, and I knew it was the right decision within a week,” he wrote in one Reddit post. He went on to encourage others to consider such surgery, pointing to athletes who had done so. An X-ray that he posted on another social media account showed a spinal fusion.

The back pain was not his only struggle. He wrote at times about “brain fog” that had worsened during his college years, making studying more difficult. Doctors could not seem to figure out what was happening, he reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/10/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-ceo-luigi-mangione?unlocked_article_code=1.gk4.8Baz.HG_7h4CvWpiO&smid=url-share

[LeftInTX]

36. The brain fog was apparently from lyme disease

[LeftInTX]

25. His heath insurance was Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

Shortly after his spinal fusion, he said it went well. He used to be on reddit under Mister_Cactus. Reddit removed his account, but there is apparently an archive somewhere.

However, since he didn't have UHC, he was obviously driven by higher motives, such as wanting to be a hero.
So, if he is your idea of a hero, you are in luck!

[claudette]

26. He's a cold blooded

killer. Why would you want to support him?

[Ocelot II]

28. He's Unabomber 2.0.

If you liked Ted Kaczinsky you'll love this guy.

[LeftInTX]

35. I don't know why more people don't see this?

[Skittles]

29. fuck that gun humping coward

he's a POS, no better than the guy he killed

[NJCher]

37. This position is a logical inconsistency

You are assuming that because this person, Luigi, shot a healthcare executive and killed him, that all people who do not take your position support killing.

I daresay that not a single person here supports killing as a means of solving problems.

People such as the OP are trying to explore the depth of the situation in which Luigi found himself. That does not mean the OP supports killing as a solution. Yet you consistently post such erudite statements like “fuck that gun humping coward” as a means of shutting down discussion.

There are so many logical inconsistencies in this statement that they can’t even be counted. They do nothing to facilitate the discussion and basically attempt to shut down discussion.

Instead of repeating yourself, allow others to explore circumstances surrounding the issue. Courts do this; an example is domestic abuse. This situation with healthcare insurers abusing their customers has, indeed, been noted.

Please respect the right of posters to have a full discussion instead of trying to shut it down because you misconstrue motive where none exists.

[PJMcK]

46. Right on

Well stated.

Luigi is an accused murderer. But he’s a human being with a story that may be enlightening in many ways. His path to his fate will be instructive and informative.

Brian Thompson may have his story told now, too, although the article I saw in today’s NYT was a whitewash.

I hate insurance companies, too, but murdering their executives is a futile course. The whole damn industry needs to be reformed. Besides, there are way too many executives at too many companies! (wink)

[Meowmee]

39. There is quite a lot of information out there so far

But I think we will hear more in time. So far we know he came from a wealthy right wing R family of prominence and went to elite schools and was considered a shining star by many. He seems to have had a mental health break of some sort after having a back injury surfing which made a chronic spinal condition worse or caused it maybe: spondylolisthesis. The surgery may have caused nerve damage as well according to some reports.

He started having severe chronic pain and was trying out different drugs including psychedelics apparently. A surgery placing 3 pins in his spine did not help apparently. It was at that point that he withdrew from his friends and family and his mother reported him missing.

No one knows much more apart from the small excerpt of his manifesto against UHC, and healthcare and corporations in general. It's not clear what happened with his insurance and coverage of his surgery or his condition etc. He had withdrawn from his family so he may not have been receiving financial help from them for that.

I am guessing the mental health crisis combined with severe pain which limited his life a lot plus psychedelics played a role in his actions and psychotic break or whatever it was that caused him to do this, and I suspect there may be some sort of insanity defense or something like that. Some people said he admired the una-bomber, which is pretty crazy. Apparently he wrote that in one of his social media sites. I haven't read that.

It's also still not clear to me anyway, how he knew BT would be where he was at the exact time he was and why he had a burner phone if he was acting completely alone. He said in a statement that he was acting alone though. He had the phone for a reason, so he must have been communicating with someone even if they were not involved in the murder. I assume the investigation will figure this out.

[MineralMan]

47. Oh, we're going to get his story. Just be a little patient.

It's going to boil down, though, to something like this:

A privileged young man reaches adulthood, feels like he lost his way, and finds something to be angry about. Tension grows, supplemented by some mental issues, and he ends up shooting someone he never met in the back on a public street. Opinions from the public are mixed, because the dead man is unlikable and unfeeling. Young man is now under arrest for murder, and is unlikely to be acquitted in a court of law. Still, some people fret about this and write messages on the internet about that.