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getagrip_already

(17,498 posts)
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 09:57 PM Tuesday

Garland failed us again.....

Dont even bother to defend him.

Barr's doj violated multiple laws and fbi policicies in wiretapping members of congress and their staffs.

Garland knew, and did nothing to prosecute or even investigate it.

No IG investigation. No new policies. Nobody fired.

That about says it all. F him.

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Garland failed us again..... (Original Post) getagrip_already Tuesday OP
But he would have made a great supreme Court Justice JanMichael Tuesday #1
What is wrong with these people? Bluethroughu Tuesday #3
I am beginning to suspect this was common practice in the old days. Baitball Blogger Tuesday #5
I can only speak to the 1990's - my time in Washington TBF 9 hrs ago #43
They are human. And they are easily lured by money/power and/or threatened with blackmail/extortion. erronis 13 hrs ago #24
Not just the lure of bribes and pay offs Farmer-Rick 11 hrs ago #34
I'm not so sure. He seems to prefer sitting on the fence and never rocking a boat. Lonestarblue 11 hrs ago #38
Institutions always cover their own asses rather than expose themselves, RockRaven Tuesday #2
But needed edhopper Tuesday #4
he was literally in court when voters effectively cut his prosecutions short bigtree Tuesday #6
Really? getagrip_already Tuesday #11
The DOJ has been slow walking the Paxton Sewa Tuesday #18
Source? tia uponit7771 10 hrs ago #40
Literally? Which court. What case? quakerboy 2 hrs ago #55
Garland's prosecutor, Tom Windom, was presenting the government's responses to immunity claims before Judge Chutkan bigtree 14 min ago #56
He's a professorial weenie guy. Pipe and elbow patches Klarkashton Tuesday #7
Hes a republican. Whalt would you expect... n/t slightlv Tuesday #9
I've seen that mentioned a few times, but I can't find any confirmation in various bios and articles LauraInLA 11 hrs ago #32
No, I've just seen it when articles have been written about him. slightlv 11 hrs ago #39
Thanks; I'll keep looking and report ugh it's kind of moot. I found articles about Obama picking him as LauraInLA 8 hrs ago #45
He's actually a registered independent, with a bunch of milquetoast do-nothing centrist views that only serve to aid the Karasu 5 hrs ago #49
Times like this when I wish Tish James or Alvin Bragg were AG Jit423 Tuesday #8
Maybe Garland was concerned he'd have to do some similar wiretapping. Silent Type Tuesday #10
If it was simililarly illegal.... getagrip_already Tuesday #12
To catch crooks like trump, Gaetz, and a host of government crimes. But you have a point. Silent Type Tuesday #15
GARLAND is such a weak broke d*ck, it is just so dis appointed NotHardly Tuesday #13
You don't know how the DOJ historically works. ancianita Tuesday #14
Protecting, because the one sitting does not want to be investigated when he leaves. status que republianmushroom 12 hrs ago #28
"They can but they don't" Farmer-Rick 11 hrs ago #36
It's about ancianita 8 hrs ago #46
link to story? LymphocyteLover Tuesday #16
Would Biden have picked Garland if he weren't Obama's SC pick? LisaM Tuesday #17
Obama had to pick someone he thought Republicans would confirm MadameButterfly 21 hrs ago #21
No, he didn't. I think maybe be thought we owed Garland something. LisaM 17 hrs ago #22
Doug Jones was an obvious excellent choice but MadameButterfly 9 hrs ago #41
Garland is a Republican, if he was working for Trump how would his behavior be different? Ranting Randy Yesterday #19
Post removed Post removed 13 hrs ago #23
Nothing different. He went after Dems and let the coup keep going. onecaliberal 4 hrs ago #52
why was this removed? Grasswire2 3 hrs ago #54
This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius 23 hrs ago #20
Nothing, but protecting an ex-president and DOJ. the legacy of Merrick the Meek. republianmushroom 12 hrs ago #25
Where's the full Jack Smith report ... Escape 12 hrs ago #26
Were is Mueller's report un-redacted ? republianmushroom 12 hrs ago #29
Guess we just have to be patient... Escape 11 hrs ago #35
No. He didn't AKwannabe 12 hrs ago #27
He's the worst Beckett 12 hrs ago #30
His spine is a mushy wet noodle Cthulu on call 11 hrs ago #31
Can he be held liable for... 2naSalit 11 hrs ago #33
"Garland knew, and did nothing to prosecute or even investigate it" uncledad 11 hrs ago #37
Biden appointed him and could have fired him any time MichMan 9 hrs ago #42
A Picture of A Duck??? BurnDoubt 8 hrs ago #44
Garland nowforever 6 hrs ago #47
Caspar Milquetoast on tranquilizers. nt Xipe Totec 5 hrs ago #48
Stupid "gotcha" appointment HereForTheParty 4 hrs ago #50
at some point it just isn't failure Skittles 4 hrs ago #51
Garland did exactly what he was tasked to do Picaro 3 hrs ago #53

Bluethroughu

(5,841 posts)
3. What is wrong with these people?
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 10:02 PM
Tuesday

There seems to be an awful lot of people working in our government to do nefarious things or cover for those doing it.

TBF

(34,550 posts)
43. I can only speak to the 1990's - my time in Washington
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 03:48 PM
9 hrs ago

working in law firms I didn't see a lot of illegal things, but definitely things that would give you pause. When you live in Washington awhile you notice that the long-term government workers really know a lot, as do the Senators who keep getting reelected. The folks that are in those roles know how to get things done and cut deals. And there are quite a few lawyers going back and forth between private industry and public service jobs. Folks live near each other, send their kids to the same schools, no matter which party they are. So, yes, a lot of "meeting before the meeting" type stuff did happen. I think in the old days there was also a lot more negotiation and talking going on just in general. I haven't been there for quite some time, so I don't know how it is now. There seems to be so much more animosity between the 2 parties, but maybe that's just a show for constituents back home.

erronis

(16,987 posts)
24. They are human. And they are easily lured by money/power and/or threatened with blackmail/extortion.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:46 AM
13 hrs ago

There are a few people serving in government who have absolute integrity. Too few.

Farmer-Rick

(11,500 posts)
34. Not just the lure of bribes and pay offs
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:34 PM
11 hrs ago

But the nonstop, direct and threatening propaganda put out continually by Russian agents. I imagine they target people in power particularly. It isn't even mildly controlled. Putin is having a grand old time running hog wild on our social media, emails and corporate news.

Lonestarblue

(11,928 posts)
38. I'm not so sure. He seems to prefer sitting on the fence and never rocking a boat.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:44 PM
11 hrs ago

However, at least he would not have taken bribes like Thomas and Alito.

RockRaven

(16,444 posts)
2. Institutions always cover their own asses rather than expose themselves,
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 10:02 PM
Tuesday

even after leadership changes. Government, non-government, they all do it.

bigtree

(90,259 posts)
6. he was literally in court when voters effectively cut his prosecutions short
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 10:16 PM
Tuesday

...but no 'fuck the judges' or 'fuck the perps with their bullshit appeals' or 'fuck the Supreme Court maga majority'?

You're blaming the people who were actively prosecuting Trump, instead of the ones who actually delayed his prosecution until the election.

Weird flex.

getagrip_already

(17,498 posts)
11. Really?
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 10:41 PM
Tuesday

Name the case?

I call bs.

There was no case he was following along the lines of this issue.

There was no internal review. Nobody was fired. Nobody was prosecuted.

Sewa

(1,343 posts)
18. The DOJ has been slow walking the Paxton
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 11:40 PM
Tuesday

Investigators for 4 yrs and it will disappear when Trump takes over.

Try to defend that 🤮

quakerboy

(14,173 posts)
55. Literally? Which court. What case?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:23 PM
2 hrs ago

I cant seem to find any evidence of garland being in any court on Nov 5 or 6th of this year.

That said.. 2024 was too late. If he'd literally been in court in late 2021, delays and appeals would be relatively dealt with by now. Instead the most relevant didnt even start till 2023, when it became clear he was running again. The timing, ironically, appears entirely political, and it seems pretty clear Garland would not have filed charges on him if Trump had done the traditional thing and quietly walked away from politics.

bigtree

(90,259 posts)
56. Garland's prosecutor, Tom Windom, was presenting the government's responses to immunity claims before Judge Chutkan
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:35 AM
14 min ago

...the same prosecutor who Merrick Garland tasked in the Fall of 2021 to investigate the WH finances.

He was one of the last prosecutors to argue before the judge IN COURT before voters effectively ended the case which was days before adjudication to proceed to trial.

...here:

Prosecutor Thomas Windom urged Chutkan to use the new indictment to handle all questions around immunity, including whether that covered Trump’s communications with then-Vice President Mike Pence or the former president’s outreach to private citizens.
https://rollcall.com/2024/09/05/judge-says-election-wont-affect-timeline-for-trump-prosecution/


___Thomas Windom, a little-known federal prosecutor who was representing the Special Counsel position today on the Trump protective order, is the man Deputy AG Lisa Monaco tasked in Fall 2021 to oversee key elements of the Justice Department’s investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election results - one of the first indications that Trump and his associates were under DOJ investigation.

NYT:

Mr. Windom, working under the close supervision of Garland’s top aides, had been leading investigators who have been methodically seeking information about the roles played by some of Mr. Trump’s top advisers, including Rudolph W. Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and John Eastman, with a mandate to go as high up the chain of command as evidence warrants."

"Mr. Windom’s second objective — mirroring one focus of the Jan. 6 committee — is a widening investigation into the group of lawyers close to Mr. Trump who helped to devise and promote the plan to create alternate slates of electors."

LauraInLA

(1,341 posts)
32. I've seen that mentioned a few times, but I can't find any confirmation in various bios and articles
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:29 PM
11 hrs ago

about Garland. Could you give me a source for his political registration?

slightlv

(4,398 posts)
39. No, I've just seen it when articles have been written about him.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:46 PM
11 hrs ago

Since I *once* had a subscription to WP, I'm assuming those are the articles. I do remember seeing it multiple times, and in fact I want to remember that was one of the reasons Obama put him up for the SC. He thought he'd be able to get the okay on him, and not on one of our own party members. And then McTurtle just screwed everyone over, except the billionaires.

LauraInLA

(1,341 posts)
45. Thanks; I'll keep looking and report ugh it's kind of moot. I found articles about Obama picking him as
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 04:11 PM
8 hrs ago

a more conservative jurist, meaning he ruled more conservatively, not that he was an actual conservative.

Karasu

(286 posts)
49. He's actually a registered independent, with a bunch of milquetoast do-nothing centrist views that only serve to aid the
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:49 PM
5 hrs ago

right.

Jit423

(380 posts)
8. Times like this when I wish Tish James or Alvin Bragg were AG
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 10:20 PM
Tuesday

They have been tough on ALL criminals. Tish especially looks out for her state, NY and city NYC. You do the crime, she wants you to serve the time. She know how much Trump screwed over NY. Were politics in volved? Maybe but politics would not be involved if there had been no crime.

We need someone with guts like hers to lead the FBI and the Justice Department. IMHOP

ancianita

(38,770 posts)
14. You don't know how the DOJ historically works.
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 11:01 PM
Tuesday

AG's don't go after former AG's. They can but they don't.
Especially while they're trying to rebuild their current Dept of Justice and hire more competent Division enforcement teams to replace the political and incompetent ones Barr left behind when he suddenly resigned in December 2020.

The decision to investigate and prosecute a former AG has to be based on the strength of the evidence and whether a crime is believed to have been committed.
You act as if you knew there was evidence of Barr's criminality all along. You didn't. You don't.

Sure, investigating a former AG is legal, but pursuing charges against a former AG can be highly politicized due to the high profile nature of the position.

So now you decide the Biden administration should have endured a big political fight that Joe would have had on his hands right at the point of the Covid pandemic, all that while he had to hit the ground running to rebuild its supply chains covid broke, and an enduring economy.

Bitch slap Garland all you want, but your shoulda/woulda/coulda claims are nothing but weak hearsay hype.


ancianita

(38,770 posts)
46. It's about
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 04:21 PM
8 hrs ago

DOJ norms that existed before Trump or Putin showed up. The fact that they are advantaged by systems in the country isn't the fault of the systems or those who make them work.

Any change our systems of enforcement should be because they improve justice for all, not because autocrats abuse them.

This too-late IG report isn't being used in such a way as to give timely notice to the DOJ's operations; what it seems to reveal is flaws in the IG system of timely information gathering so that flaws can be remedied in a timely way. I recall over the last 6 years that more than one IG hasn't done their job in a way that helps improve government. If Congress in 2022 revised the Inspector General Act of 1978, and the IG this time found no laws broken, criticism of the AG or the DOJ in this context are, once again, subjective and unfounded.

LisaM

(28,686 posts)
17. Would Biden have picked Garland if he weren't Obama's SC pick?
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 11:30 PM
Tuesday

I don't think he would have. I think he would have found someone more forceful.

I think Garland was a very conservative choice for SCOTUS anyway, but he probably would have been fine there.

I am not saying I blame Obama, but I think Biden's sense of fair play led him to choose Garland and if we'd been lucky enough to have Biden for a second term, I think he would have chosen someone else.

LisaM

(28,686 posts)
22. No, he didn't. I think maybe be thought we owed Garland something.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:51 AM
17 hrs ago

I think that he either trusted that it was a better pick than it was, or he was doing it in a kind of homage to Obama.

It also wasn't very evident at first that he was as poor a choice as he turned out to be. Why he slow walked some things and relentlessly picked on Hunter Biden will always be a mystery to me (well, unless he writes a book and something comes out). History won't look fondly on him now, and that's his own doing.

MadameButterfly

(1,854 posts)
41. Doug Jones was an obvious excellent choice but
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 03:45 PM
9 hrs ago

it would have inflamed the Right. Dems have to stop worrying about indignation and claims of unfairness on the Right since there is nothing we can ever do to please them. Though it may be a bit late to learn that lesson.

Response to Ranting Randy (Reply #19)

Response to getagrip_already (Original post)

republianmushroom

(17,943 posts)
25. Nothing, but protecting an ex-president and DOJ. the legacy of Merrick the Meek.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:54 AM
12 hrs ago

To political.

46 months and counting

Escape

(60 posts)
26. Where's the full Jack Smith report ...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 12:05 PM
12 hrs ago

we were all talking about a couple of weeks ago? Has it been released yet?

Escape

(60 posts)
35. Guess we just have to be patient...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:35 PM
11 hrs ago

I am sure Merrick will get those items checked off his list well before Biden leaves office.

2naSalit

(93,098 posts)
33. Can he be held liable for...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:34 PM
11 hrs ago

NOT doing his job to protect the Constitution?

I mean, he's as bad a Barr FFS.

uncledad

(32 posts)
37. "Garland knew, and did nothing to prosecute or even investigate it"
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:42 PM
11 hrs ago

Yes, Garland and Blinken will go down as two of the worst cabinet heads in recent history. Garland completely bungled the Stump J6 investigation as well as all the bullshit Barr pulled while he was Ag. He also allowed a completely political prosecution of Hunter Biden to run wild. Blinken (with Biden's apparent blessing) did absolutely nothing to stop the genocide that is still taking place in Gaza, now Israel is grabbing land in Syria and still crickets. Those two fucked up Biden's legacy far more than the price of eggs!

BurnDoubt

(67 posts)
44. A Picture of A Duck???
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 03:53 PM
8 hrs ago

Remember when Rudy was running all over town bragging about how he was in the New York office of the FBi "every day"? I'm sure there is compromat on all the players, including Rudy. If you can find the handle, you can turn it. "Gene, Gene made a machine. Hank, Hank turned the crank. Art, Art ........".--- OR--- "Everybody's got something to hide... 'cept for me and my monkey". This is how History is made. And Sausage.

HereForTheParty

(212 posts)
50. Stupid "gotcha" appointment
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:04 PM
4 hrs ago

Only got put up to somehow get revenge on the MAGAts for denying him the Supreme Court. Joke was on us.

Picaro

(1,834 posts)
53. Garland did exactly what he was tasked to do
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:50 PM
3 hrs ago

If he’s an institutionalist he is tasked with preserving and defending the system.

He did that.

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