Exit polls reveal why Trump made huge gains with blue-collar union members

[SunSeeker]

Trump ran up large margins among White voters without a college degree who belong to labor unions and also significantly improved among unionized non-White workers without advanced education, according to previously unpublished results from the exit polls conducted by Edison Research and the AP VoteCast survey conducted by NORC. Those are the two major data sources measuring voters’ behavior in the election available so far.“

Look, the Democratic Party has lost their way to some extent with working class voters,” said Ted Pappageorge, secretary treasurer of the powerful Culinary Workers Union Local 226 in Las Vegas. “When we were (knocking) at the doors … it was pretty clear that Trump was winning the fight about dealing with inflation and kitchen table issues and Democrats essentially were being viewed as the party of abortion.”“To be honest, Biden has not been a credible messenger for a really long time,” Rosenthal said. “So despite the huge accomplishments, he was not communicating that. And I think it’s really difficult for a union to do that on its own. In the case of Harris, (rank-and-file union members) had no idea she cast the deciding vote on the pension bill, or she cast the vote that created tens of thousands of union jobs with the Inflation Reduction Act.”

Pappageorge said one issue essentially eclipsed everything else Biden delivered for working families and organized labor. “All of those things are important, but the No. 1 issue on the mind of working-class people, including union people, was inflation and the cost of living,” he said.

Pappageorge described Biden as “my hero” because of all of his accomplishments for working people, but he believes the president dug an insurmountable hole for the party by trying for months to emphasize the economy’s positive aspects rather than challenging companies raising prices and rents, as Harris forcefully did immediately after she entered the race. “Kamala had the best message we saw; we think her message was on point,” Pappageorge said. “If Biden had been running on Kamala’s program earlier, I think they would have reaped the benefit of that. But they didn’t. They tried to tell working class people the economy is setting records.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10/politics/trump-blue-collar-workers-analysis/index.html

[NoMoreRepugs]

1. Revisit these voters in the coming years and let me know if they realize what they've done to themselves.

50%+ of American adults read at under a sixth grade level. Would you trust a sixth grader to elect the President??

[Septua]

5. And that 50% are the Trump voters...

[Probatim]

37. As long as there's a scapegoat or boogeyman to explain away the obvious

republican plan to break unions and the middle class, these nimrods will never admit/know they boned themselves.

[Blue Full Moon]

41. They are exactly in that shape

Because they vote for candidates that cause it. That somehow magically they will be the billionaire and get to call the shots. The most venomous MAGA I know was in need of help after her husband died. Didn't receive any. Blames the Democrats, then proceeds to vote republican to make sure no one can get help. But it's the limits imposed by the republicans that have caused the problem.

[DSandra]

60. Good luck getting a law passed that only allows the "educated" people to vote

You are stuck with this system. Marketers learn how to talk to people of different classes, why can't Democrats and other educated people?

[Jack Valentino]

80. Forty years ago, or maybe even 20, it was allegedly "the Democrats" who were the "low-information voters",

and Republicans wanted to take the vote away from them....


I think we mostly need to simplify our "messaging" down the bumper-sticker level,
and repeat it incessantly the way the Republicans do---

Democrats have won the debate wars, and the oratory wars,
but they've lost the messaging wars because we refuse to recognize the fact
that the average American voter has the attention span of a gnat---
and to get through to those people, you need simple messages
repeated until the cows come home and go out again...

Polls have shown that the majority of the public agrees with the
Democratic positions on most issues, when questions of party are left out of it....



"Republicans want to kill Social Security!" that would be ONE position repeated over and over,
which resonates with the public, but we only use it intermittently....

[Septua]

2. ..the No. 1 issue on the mind of working-class people...was inflation and the cost of living...

"..he believes the president dug an insurmountable hole for the party by trying for months to emphasize the economy’s positive aspects rather than challenging companies raising prices and rents"

What was he supposed to do? I heard Joe say time and again, companies were price gouging but Presidents can't dictate business' pricing. And there are still some supply issues affecting prices...and it's a global issue.

If Trump magically gets a big drop in the price of gas and groceries, it will be the result of him cutting some kind of deal, like a tax cut, where business wins again.

And it all goes back to voter mentality...presidents get blamed for whatever the hell the voters unhappy about. And, "it's the economy, stupid."

[markodochartaigh]

26. That and the fact that

US media is 99% either reich-wing, far reich-wing, or "let's hear from both sides".

Reagan was a bobble head, but as an actor, he had a great delivery and a willing media. The Democratic party needs candidates who are bright and shiny enough to get their message across on very reluctant media. In a country of style over substance and fake it 'til you make it, what you can get voters to believe is even more important than the truth.

[BComplex]

68. THIS is the elephant (symbol) in the room. The media throws shade on the democrats EVERY TIME.

And they have for the past 30 years or more.

[valleyrogue]

29. It was the sexism. Don't ever believe otherwise.

As long as there are these aggrieved white males, no woman will ever be elected president of the United States.

[kelly1mm]

45. So 3 options going forward:

1) Get rid of males (or at least the white ones). Problematic at best.
2) Acquiesce to their grievances which seem to be 'Of course I am in charge! Respect my authority!'. Again, problematic at best.
3) Don't nominate a woman in the top spot for ....... basically ever.

I am putting my bets on option #3

[EdmondDantes_]

63. Or find a way to appeal to them without acquiescing to their grievances

Obama won many of those voters in 2008 and 2012. Biden won enough of them in 2020 with Harris on the ticket. Granted that will be hard given how fundamentally broken our legislative process is in that it's hard to get policy through that would make changes for those voters, but I don't think it's a lost cause.

[Blue Full Moon]

42. Price freezes

They do what the laws allow them to do. I thought that there was laws against price gouging. Not enforced.

[MichMan]

55. The price gouging laws address significant price increases in areas with hurricanes or extended power outages etc.

Unlike what some candidates suggested, they were never designed to determine if a box of Cheerios should cost $3.29 or $3.99 or what the fair market price of a Pickup Truck or Cell phone should be.

[Blue Full Moon]

70. Pandemic would fit right in then.

[MichMan]

71. Not sure how many were ever prosecuted on a state or local level

Even though laws were already on the books, it was very few if any. There may have been some instances for things like masks. Maybe someone buying up a lot of TP and selling it on Craigslist.

Again, it is to cover price increases of something like 200-300% in a very short timeframe due to scarcity, not for a jar of Peanut Butter going up 50 cents. None of those laws would have ever applied to increases due to inflation in the big grocery stores.

[Bluetus]

43. It is about messaging: when and HOW messages are delivered

Note this item from the OP:

“When we were (knocking) at the doors … it was pretty clear that Trump was winning the fight about dealing with inflation and kitchen table issues and Democrats essentially were being viewed as the party of abortion.”

Frankly, I don't remember Biden EVER saying anything about the economy during the campaign, and I remember little of what Harris said about it. That doesn't mean that they were silent. It means they were not IMPACTFUL.

On the abortion issue, Harris seemed to give that issue about half the bandwidth of the campaign, and she was at least a little specific. She said that we would somehow return to the Roe standard, but never said how. On the economy, I challenge anybody to find a single moment during the campaign when Harris, Walz, or Biden ever talked about any specific measures they were willing to fight for. For example, did any of them ever mention a windfall profits tax? Or any other specific response to the price gouging? If they did, I never heard it.

For that matter, were there ANY specific proposals for legislation or executive action that Harris campaigned on? I don't remember any.

Compare that to Trump. He talked specifics:
* Deport 20 million "illegals"
* Put tariffs on every imported product
* etc.

We can all say Trump's ideas are not practical and he isn't sincere about them, but they are MEMORABLE, and sound like a person trying to do something.

[Blue_Tires]

75. I need DUers to please STOP this endless bullshit about "messaging"

When Donnie's message was literally an endless loop of:

"Haitians eating your pets..."

"Mass deportations..."

"I'm the greatest person to ever do anything in recorded history!"

"Everything is rigged!"

"The weave..."

"30 million illegal Mexicans voted for Biden and that's why we need to deport them..."

"Military tribunals and firing squads for my political enemies..."

"Hannibal Lecter is having us for dinner..."

"I don't know what Harris' race is..."

"TARIFFS TARIFFS AND MORE TARIFFS WILL FIX EVERYTHING!!"

"I really admire Arnold Palmer's glorious white peener..."


When some smug smartassed pundit finally tells me WHY the blessed working class thought this was campaign strategy that earned their votes, maybe I'll give a serious listen to his criticisms of Harris and Biden...

[Bluetus]

79. This election proves beyond any doubt that

an affirmative plan -- even an insane one -- beats vague, noncommittal, passive platitudes.

You don't need people to stop talking about messaging. You need to learn what it means, and then demand that from your candidates. It doesn't mean what I think you think it means.

[Blue_Tires]

81. So loud, angry buffoonery that's confident will always win out against quiet, drama-free competence?

I'm gonna need you to read this to yourself really slowly and contemplate on it for awhile...

an affirmative plan -- even an insane one -- beats vague, noncommittal, passive platitudes.

That's really where we are as a country now? Even if this insane affirmative plan leads everyone off a cliff like lemmings? Wow... Well fuck me, we might as well run a Hollywood celebrity next time if the public is that fucking shallow... Brad Pitt 2028!

But thank you for confirming that the election had Jack Fucking Shit to do with "the issues" and Kamala Harris' true sin (besides having the improper ethnic background) was not being entertaining enough....

And I'm not making jokes or poking fun at you, I'm honestly 100 percent curious: What was the last affirmative but insane plan that you unquestioningly followed??

[Blue_Tires]

82. Oh, and welcome to DU...

[DSandra]

61. Why didn't Biden trumpet his achievements in terms of building factories in red areas?

Now Trump will get the credit for them!

[DSandra]

62. Umm, if you have access to many experts and some of the best and brightest minds...

You surely should be able to come up with something.

Democracy is under siege around the world, partly because of its relative ineffectiveness to deal with big problems compared to autocracies. Politicians have to get their act together or the world will eventually all live in tyranny.

[C_U_L8R]

3. Apparently, they don't plan on retiring

But they'll blame everyone except themselves

[Thrill]

4. Union workers voting Republican

Just complete dumb asses. They’ll learn. The hard way

[Emile]

10. Shooting themselves in the foot to entertain their employer.

[doc03]

15. I worked in union shops for over 40 years. I would say about 1/3 of the members

were always Republicans. They complained about the union and having to pay union dues, but they were the first to run to the union with their grievances. The first job I had back in the 60s was in a small shop, we had about 35 employees. This was in Virginia a "right to work state". We had one employee that wouldn't even pay union dues, but he was the first one to run to the union if he didn't get an overtime shift. The older employees said they had a strike one time for a couple days and he crossed the picket line.

[walkingman]

83. Your description of union workers voting Republican was exactly what I saw.

For 24 of my 33 years at my former employer I was a union member and then took a mgmt job. For years it was common practice for my fellow members complain about union dues, some even stopped paying them. They thought they didn't need the union. They were glad to get the negotiated benefits, pay increases, and pension benefits but because they might get along with their 1st line supervisor that he would take care of them.

But what they didn't understand is although their 1st line or even 2nd manager might take care of them - they prety much had a lot of responsibility but very little decision making authority.

After taking the mgmt job I saw first hand some of the underhanded sucking up they would do without regard to the contract or their fellow worker. And if they wanted say a transfer somewhere they would beg the union to support them - back their back dues - whatever it took to get what they wanted.

I live in a right-to-work state which basically killed the union movement - especially in the South.

A lot of workers in America are only in it for themselves and everyone and everything else is expendable.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

52. As a retired union worker, I agree with your statement 100%.

[JT45242]

6. It's all rationalizations for racism and sexism

Period.

End of Statement.

They don't want to say out loud that they didn't like an uppity black man as president for 8 years and hells to the no to some uppity black mixed woman.

[Celerity]

25. Roll with that as the only reason we lost and we will keep on losing.

Proof?

Biden would have lost by greater numbers than Harris did. His favourabilty and polling numbers were cataclysmic.

Of course racism and sexism played some role, but not the largest roles. Trump was drawing more from minorities, men in general, and younger voters before Harris was the nominee.

I say this all as a mixed race black female, btw, so I am damn well aware of what Harris faced on the the misogynoir front.

[MotownPgh]

30. Yes can someone find the racial

breakdowns for union membership. I only know local number in Western Pa

[DSandra]

64. Sounds like a cop out

Dems failure has now led to America having its gravest threat in its 248 year history. Avoiding the economic issue and pretending the economy was all peachy was an insult to many struggling Americans.

[doc03]

7. Democrats should have been calling the inflation the Trump inflation from

day one.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

9. And

And the trump virus.

[Iris]

8. I will never understand why they think Trump will help the economy.

I just don't get it.

[doc03]

13. Because the media has built Trump to be a great real estate

tycoon for 4 or 5 decades. If you repeat a lie and the bigger lie people start believing it.

[Cosmocat]

11. Why does it have to be Ds fault

When people do stupid things?

[canuckledragger]

14. Because stupid people need to blame someone for their self-created problems.

You don't expect idiots to take responsibility for themselves, do you? Especially when a con man gives them a scapegoat.

[DSandra]

59. Because Republican con artists exploit any weakness that Dems have

Republicans are the aggressive bullies, and unfortunately we are in this position of having to not make mistakes.

[Sorceress]

65. Finally, someone said it!

No one wants to admit the electorate is the problem.

[JI7]

12. Kamala was a black woman so her speaking on the issues

was not recieved in the way it would have if Biden or some other man had been giving it.

It comes down to the same thing.

Right now we are talking about people's frustrations with health care but Trump actually tried to take away what we had and years later says he only has a concept of a plan.

So regular people are full of shit also.

[Passages]

16. There's not one reason but that was part of it.

I have recalled here when WNYC asked callers to explain how the economy worked for them and the responses were rather stark.
Many had two jobs, some three, and some single parents, etc.

WNYC had economists on and discussed these stories, and their responses were that the economy is good, there is growth, etc.

People are telling you one thing and you're telling them they're wrong.

In addition, Trump always had an advantage with corporate media, even that MSNBC some seem to like....but that was never going to help Biden nor Harris.

Why would they ever brag about what Lina Khan was doing at DOJ for working people?

They didn't. In late Oct. 60 Minutes did a piece with her, that was it as far as I know.

[SunSeeker]

21. I guess the way they saw it, one candidate promised to miraculously bring down prices, the other one didn't.

Most educated people realized Trump was telling a lie, and also knew his tariff plan would only make prices go up, so they voted for Harris.

But the Fox watching Blue collar folks just saw one candidate promising them lower prices and the other making no promises to lower prices.

It's not like they were sure Trump could do it, but they were so desperate for lower prices that they decided to take a chance with the guy making the promises they wanted to hear...and their decision was also spurred on by Trump's appeal to their racism and/or sexism.

Even if they don't get lower prices, they're racism/sexism will stll be validated by Trump for the next 4 years (because he will always be a racist & sexist fuck) and that's still a win in their mind.

[Passages]

51. I would not mistake too much of the culprit to those who watch Fox.

They are indeed culprits, they were sued and paid over 700 million dollars due to their lies.

But we have IMO, an accumulative effect and losses can be attributed to Manchin and Sinema gutting BBB.

Biden knew people were losing faith in the government as a vehicle for improving their lives and wanted that legislation to fill that deep void.

There are plenty of culprits, and M$M is another culprit, even the ones who are considered fair. They can't get over how so many are gleeful regarding the cold-blooded murder of Thompson...because they don't often report the tragedies of the healthcare system.

Racism and misogyny are fallback tactics the GOP has used for decades...Trump is a marketer and better at it than Reagan was, unfortunately.


Perfect storms are complicated but they can be pulled apart to see how they're formed.

[bucolic_frolic]

17. And Biden did a lot on minimum wage

but all they cared about was grocery prices

[valleyrogue]

27. No. They cared only that a white, racist,

crooked, and incompetent MAN remain “in charge.”

[kelly1mm]

49. What did President Biden do on the minimum wage? Still the same $7.25 per hour federal

minimum wage as when he came into office.

[bigtree]

18. Trump didn't make any appeal to those voters except his racism

...directed at all of the folks those whit uneducated voters have been targeting for decades now.

This isn't something Democrats can address by 'appealing to the working class' or any other economic canard on a blaming record growth economy.

These people are racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and misogynists.

Making like their vote had to do with their education or the economy is bullshit. They knew the differences between candidates and chose the convicted felon rapist, so that makes them despicable people, not voters we should be giving a minute of fealty to the excuses they gave for voting to put a convicted felon in the White House.

What are we doing? People are focusing all of their criticism on the good people for blame in the election instead of the cretins that voted for Trump.

Can't folks see that's the aim of the morons who make a career writing this drivel?

[LittleGirl]

19. Excellent post! nt

[Aviation Pro]

20. You know, I bet during their "discussions"

Around their fucking kitchen table not a fucking word was ever said about living within their fucking means.

Nope, not a word.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

56. I was thinking the same thoughts.

How many of these people hollering about high grocery prices live in houses with a high mortgage payment, huge SUVs or tricked out pickup trucks in the driveway with big monthly payments and one or more credit cards with balances of thousands of dollars?

One of our favorite grocery stores has some high prices normally but they also run a lot of good sales. I went there yesterday and stocked up on some Marie Callender dinners and Progresso soups along with some other items. After everything was rung up, the discounts kicked in and the $129 bill became $79.81. I couldn’t help but smile as I left the store.

[usonian]

22. Short. They loved the lies.

People with position papers and statistical analysis software see things one way.
People whose grocery chains jacked up prices despite lower costs see

an excuse to play out their racism and misogyny.

[DownriverDem]

23. We need a media

machine like the repubs. Rich Dem supporters need to step up. repubs have been using their media machine since the 1980s starting with rush limbaugh. They have convinced folks we are the enemy.

[valleyrogue]

24. Baloney.

It was white male entitlement that made these idiots vote against their economic self interest.

[Deminpenn]

35. Yep

Polls have consistently shown blue collar white men vote for Rs. Union membership or not has nothing to do with their voting habits.

Their entire lives revolve around grievances, real and imagined. Trump's rhetoric was designed to play to that.

[Meadowoak]

28. It was rigged.

[JohnSJ]

31. They did the same thing against Carter when running against reagan, and one would have thought they learned there lesson

from that fiasco.

This is the second time they have voted against their own interests, and as far as I am concerned they deserve musk and the sociopath for that, and they will no longer get my support in any form.

[uponit7771]

32. Real Wage Index came from below hell to slightly above it and they blamed Biden

[Paladin]

33. Enjoy the next 4 years, traitorous trump-voting union members.

Here's hoping you suffer for your stupidity. God knows the rest of us will.

[Abstractartist]

34. Look, we democrats need

We need to face facts here. In my opinion, the reason why we lost was….

President Biden was horrendous in the debate. He looked confused, feeble and way too old to run this country. The beginning of the end was when Pelosi and other important democrat politicians came out for replacement of Joe Biden. I tried to go full tilt on it. Read some of my past posts. I was very big on Harris/Walz…. I live in the very very red state of South Carolina. They elect “people” like Nancy Mace and Lyndsey Graham…🤢… but what is worse is how democrats are treated here, and most likely in other red voting states…they think we only care about abortion, transgender in women bathrooms, tax and spend, welfare, “letting them damn illegal get away with murder”, etc.

Until we can change that view of our party, with young progressive candidates. I’ll just say, look at that last election map and think about trying to turn some red to blue….

[CousinIT]

36. The economy IS setting records. Inflation, also, is NEVER ZERO.

EVER.

I still think a lot of "economy" was about racism and sexism. It's a cover word for all that. Or, even likelier - most voters are just stupid.

[ananda]

38. So much more utter BS. It was white supremacy.

And misogyny.

That's why people were willing to believe the lies.

[get the red out]

39. There might be a time

When the question will be "how about that omlette"?

[MichMan]

40. Only a small fraction of the blue collar class is unionized

Courting union leaders does little to reach the concerns of those voters in any meaningful fashion

[NNadir]

44. With respect to inflation, they haven't seen anything yet.

As for kitchen tables, it's not entirely out of the question that they may lack an essential element, under Trump, food.

[Dem4life1970]

46. Her race+her sex+his lies equals Mad King Donald's victory

It's really not that complicated

[displacedvermoter]

53. And a lot of Musk and Putin energy and money

[dchill]

47. As always, their vote was in diametric opposition to their interests.

And they wouldn't even know I was talking about them.

[travelingthrulife]

48. Why didn't this powerful union member mention that Biden and Harris

accomplished those things to the other union members before the election? They must have communication tools. Newsletters or blog sites? Door knocking??? Sheesh.

Again...the Democrats didn't do this or that.

Americans themselves need to be responsible to know what is going on in their own backyard. It is your union, INFORM your members.

[Americanme]

50. Eggs cost too much

So I'll vote for the party that will bust my union and lower my pay. Brilliant.

[DSandra]

58. Our society forces many Americans to work, work, work...

And the time off being nothing more than have some much needed entertainment, basic living chores, and deal with bills and other living issues. Many Americans just don't have the time to follow politics and be politically aware outside of headlines.

[Beck23]

54. The truth is

Trump is REALLY dumb. He really believes other countries pay the tariffs. His handlers know better but they let him believe this because the tariffs are a tax on the lower and middle class, and that's what his rich handlers want.

I mean Trump has said he wants a tariff on cars imported from Mexico. Those are GM cars made at GM plants in Mexico. It seems Trump doesn't understand that these tariffs on 'Mexican' cars are a tax on GM.

His uneducated supporters are just as dumb as he is and they think he is smart because he played a businessman on TV so they will believe anything he says.

[DSandra]

57. People tend to be blind to the lives of people outside their economic class, many don't realize how hard others have it

People especially in the top 20% can't understand the economic complaints compared to the people who are actually hurting, the people who are struggling to make ends meet despite insane cost of housing, cost of everything else being 30% higher than they were a few years ago, and now the evisceration of jobs by AI.

"Nearly 40 million families, or 29% of the population, fall in the category of ALICE — Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed — according to United Way’s United for ALICE program, which first coined the term to refer to households earning above the poverty line but less than what’s needed to get by.

That figure doesn’t include the 37.9 million Americans who live in poverty, comprising 11.5% of the total population, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau. "
- https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/29/29percent-of-us-households-have-jobs-but-struggle-to-cover-basic-needs.html

"GREENWOOD VILLAGE, Colo., July 2, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- Some 37% of Americans can't afford an unexpected expense over $400, and almost a quarter (21%) have no emergency savings at all, according to new Empower research.

"Not all surprises are good, and people know it. The study suggests financial precarity at a time when household finances may be stretched due to rising prices and inflation," says Rebecca Rickert, head of communications at Empower. "Life happens, and people are stressed about the surprise expenses that could tip them off-balance."

"For 62%, having a dedicated emergency savings is a priority, yet nearly half (47%) of people say regular monthly expenses are too high for them to put money away.""

- https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/37-of-americans-cant-afford-an-emergency-expense-over-400-according-to-empower-research-302187157.html

[W_HAMILTON]

69. I don't know who Empower or PRNewswire is, but the The Fed has been keeping track of this information:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/2024-economic-well-being-of-us-households-in-2023-overall-financial-well-being.htm

The most recent data shows the percent of Americans that say they are "at least doing okay financially" is at 72%, which is where it was right before the pandemic and not out of line with where it has been over the past decade (62% at its lowest, 78% at its highest).

PS - Who exactly is it you are suggesting that is blind to the lives of people outside their economic class? Because you seem to be implying that someone isn't understanding the economic complaints from these union workers, but the fact of the matter is that many union workers -- including many "blue collar" union workers -- are in the top 20%. But of course, maybe that jives with your first article, since the poorest Americans voted for Kamala, but many of these well-to-do union workers voted for Trump.

[DSandra]

72. So you think the economic suffering is "all in our heads?"

Sounds a lot like Republicans saying that we were in a “mental recession” in 2008.

[W_HAMILTON]

73. Not in all of our heads, no. But in many of THEIR heads, yes.

I take it you have not seen the complete 180 in polls on what Republicans think about the economy now?

...

By the numbers: Heading into the election, Republican consumer sentiment, as measured by the index, was at about 83 overall— any number under 100 indicates negativity. Now, a week post-Trump victory, it's at 107.5.

...

Overall sentiment (with everyone included) is higher, and is into positive territory for the first time since June 2021...

Taken from: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/13/consumer-sentiment-republican-democrat-switch

So, it sounds like Republicans were wrong both in your example from 2008 AND now -- gee, who would have thunk it?

[Johnny2X2X]

66. The truth is that propaganda is extremely powerful

You had millions of Americans who were objectively doing better claiming they were doing worse and the economy was awful.

Polls are odd in that how you word the questions for the same general concept can greatly change the answer. For instance, when people were asked about the economy, most answered it was bad. When people were asked if they were better off, most answered no. But if you were a little more detailed and ask them if they are doing better finiancially, most would answer yess. Specifically if you asked them about their savings and their debt, most would answer they were doing better. And most also realized income games that exceeded inflation, that's just a plane fact.

So you literally had people who had more wealth, more money, less debt, and more savings saying they were worse off because the economy is bad.

And you watch too, the proaganda is just as powerful going the other way. These same people could lose their jobs, lose their houses, and be broke and they'll answer these same types of polls with, "Well the economy is doing good, even though I am struggling, but I'm still better off than before because the economy is so good." Wait for that, it's coming. And The Ruling Class has convinced them that all the economic numbers are fake anyway, so when UE rises to 8% while wages fall, they won't believe it. They'll also blame Biden for the Trump inflation that will come from his tariffs.

I've had discussions with these people. People I know well enough to know for a fact that they're doing much better but they'll still claim they aren't. One friend who I know for a fact makes $75K a year more than he did 5 years ago, but he's really upset about the price of McDonald's McDoubles.

[dpibel]

77. Couldn't agree more n/t

[ThePartyThatListens]

67. I hope a lesson learned is that

Democrats need to have a bad guy to point to for all the problems.
e.g. Big Corporations for gouging etc

[Blue_Tires]

74. The word Ted Pappageorge is looking for is "RACISM"

because he's insulting my fucking intelligence if he's seriously saying Biden had a credibility problem while Trump didn't...

[LonePirate]

76. If inflation/cost of living was the key issue, why did vote for the candidate most likely to cause more inflation?

America is easily the advanced economy with the highest percentage of dumb citizens within its borders.

[Blue_Tires]

78. OKAY, EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE I'M FIVE....

1. Trump has never done anything to help so-called blue-collar union members, so why would they possibly think they'd benefit from a second term?

2. WHAT did these blessed blue-collar union members find so appealing about Trump's "economic message" WHEN HE LITERALLY HAD ONLY TWO FUCKING DETAIL-FREE PROPOSALS -- MASS DEPORTATIONS AND HEAVY TARIFFS ON ALL IMPORTS?!

3. WHY am I able to independently research complex issues for myself when tens of millions of people need it spelled out for them, and even when it IS spelled out for them, they'd rather choose to believe the disinfo they saw from some edgy meme or viral tweet instead?

4. Did any of these blue-collar union members even watch Harris absolutely mop the fucking floor with Donnie during the debate? Were they not convinced when Donnie completely shit down his leg and 100% chickened out of doing any further debates unless it was on Faux News in front of his own hand-picked panel??