Re Luigi Mangione from his hometown paper

[Lulu KC]

There is lots of coverage out there about his life, his family's history, and, of course, his sensible position on predatory healthcare. This is the first thing I've seen that acknowledges what jumped out at me as I read through his personal history.


https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/12/10/how-luigi-mangione-turned-from-gilman-valedictorian-to-suspected-ceo-killer/

A gradual personality change, signs of delusional, disordered thinking, a recent withdrawal from family and friends, all raise the possibility that the man caught Monday morning at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, was not entirely of sound mind. Mental health professionals tell us these are the common symptoms of schizophrenia and the mid-20s are the peak years for onset and diagnosis. Did Luigi Mangione suffer from it? That’s highly speculative but that possibility haunts the case — and at least offers some rational explanation of so much irrational behavior.

[BamaRefugee]

1. Well he would need to be diagnosed by a professional. But his insurance would cancel his claim.

[yagotme]

2. Capt. Obvious says,

"Shooting someone in the back for no direct reason is not mentally sound."

[BeerBarrelPolka]

3. I'd

I'd like to read what Irish Dem thinks. She's extremely qualified.

[MontanaMama]

4. I've seen several mental health professionals

speak of this possibility on social media being careful to not diagnose.

[Walleye]

5. As soon as I saw the suspect and his age, and heard about his life, I was thinking schizophrenia.

Reminded a little me of the guy in “A Beautiful Mind”

[SaveOurDemocracy]

6. I thought about the possibility of schizophrenia.

There have been many behavioral changes, reportedly, over the last several years and he falls, age-wise, in the time frame.

[H2O Man]

7. He is white.

[Lulu KC]

12. If I'm reading your point accurately--

mental illness is generally "allowed" with white people, while it is dismissed with POC, who are judged as having inferior characters. Absolutely true. Which is also part of why I've wondered that it hasn't come up already. I am expecting it will in the trial.

[H2O Man]

16. It will not

come up in the guilt phase of his trial. There is zero evidence that he meets the legal standard of "insane," a term used in the legal system but not in psychology any more. If there is a penalty phase, the defense might focus on the depression he appears to have experienced post-back surgery. There are reports of two factors -- opiod Rx's and impotency, both having associations with lower back surgery.

There is no evidence that he has actual symptoms of schizophrenia. First, the onset among males is found in late teens to early twenties. Statistics indicate it is either happening or being diagnosed more frequently in earlier teens than in decades past. Last night, Gary Brucato -- one of the top forensic psychologists in the nation -- was among Vinnie Politan's guests. As he noted, there is zero evidence of a major mental illness in this case. Gary noted that there were factors associated with narcissism. These are associated with his family of origin's wealth and his high level of intelligence.

(Note: the x-ray of his back shows that the surgery was not a success. Both the top and bottom of the three screws were improperly placed in, and would cause chronic pain. Chronic pain does change brain chemistry, which would be the cause of changes in his personality.)

[Lulu KC]

20. Ah, okay

Then why he lost contact with friends and family remains a personal mystery.

[Lulu KC]

21. He said he felt great after the surgery

But if you push it during recovery before the fusion has solidified enough, the screws can move. That would make some sense in his timeline.

[allegorical oracle]

22. Would think his atty goes for a "dim cap" (diminished capacity) pleading. Could be, too,

that at some subliminal level he wanted to get caught. Many people have noted that someone as intelligent as he seems to be wouldn't have left so much evidence and go out to eat at a public place after his photos were everywhere.

[H2O Man]

24. That could be.

I think that consuming anything McDonalds serves suggests an individual is willing to take risks. In his case, exactly as you note, he was risking more than his health.

Even for an extremely intelligent person, it can be difficult to get away with a serious crime. Of course, statistics indicate people have gotten away with murder before. Now, close to 50 years ago, when I took some criminal law cases as electives, I remember the faculty member -- an investigator -- said something like if you can think of ten ways to cover your tracks, you are above average ...... if you can think of twenty five, you are brilliant. But investigators have a hundred ways to catch you.

Today, of course, they have much more than a hundred. There's DNA and cameras everywhere. So this young man planned, did about ten days or recon, killed his target, and skipped town. Again as you note, he left enough evidence that it seems he wanted -- on some level -- to get caught. More, he clearly didn't plan/prepare for after skipping town ...... say, an apartment stocked with three weeks of food, and a way to change his appearance. Either he wasn't nearly as smart as he thought he was, or he wanted to get caught. I favor his wanting to be caught.

[GusBob]

8. What is your definition of predatory health care

I work in a non profit clinic. Everything is free, medications, transportation, medical supplies, everything

In the last 4 months our clinic has been shut down twice due to threats of violence to staff. That's in the last 4 months alone. I could tell you other incidents going over the last 10 years of non-profit work

We all understand, (well most of us do, some of the new staff quit), folks who are sick, especially those chronically ill, get frustrated with their condition and lash out. And yes, chronic physical health problems can affect mental health.

But I dont reckon its reason enough to go around shooting folks in the back. I dont think that is in anyway "sensible"

[Lulu KC]

10. I didn't say shooting someone in the back is sensible AT ALL

Please do not misquote me or put words in my mouth.

Non-profit health care is generally not predatory. United Health Care is what I would call predatory.

I am sorry I didn't apparently make this obvious.

I will add that one of the big hospital chains that service our area is considered "non-profit" and is associated with a church. Upon further investigation I discovered that a large part of this company is owned by a private equity firm with HQ in the Cayman Islands. So it can get blurry.

[Meowmee]

15. You work in a non profit clinic

Everywhere else is a different situation. She did not say it is ok. Most patients do not threaten or harm their providers. Blaming patients who have chronic conditions is over the top. Since they are eligible for a low cost non profit I would guess some have a lot of other life issues/ hardships as well. And the treatment may not be so great at your clinic.

[GusBob]

18. So you are saying the threats of violence are deserved?

I would explain to you how this non profit work, but it seems to be beyond your level of comprehension. Most of our patients have insurance and can go anywhere they choose. They dont need to be "eligible" (thats an insurance company word BTW) They choose us over the other clinics in the area.

Now if we suck so bad, why is that?

Most of our patients have alot of issues, and they choose us for that reason. We are known for our excellent treatment. You clearly dont know what you are saying

2 patients out of thousands lost their cool and went postal. It happens, ask around. The other clinics in the area have security guards near the entrances. Many clinics and hospitals across the country do. Especially the best ones, they can afford it. Why do you think that is?

We dont have security here, normally not needed

Be advised, the young lady who dealt with the one threat case is doing just fair. It was her first "real job" and she handled the incident like a pro until law enforcement arrived. She was so proud of her new position and she had just got her first car.
Now I am told she suffers from PTSD and is unable to work (the perp is known to her family and they are all terrified). She is in therapy now. It took her awhile to come thru the front doors of the clinic for her counseling but we were all there to support her.

[Meowmee]

23. I am sure you are aware I never said anything of the sort

Nothing justifies threatening/ attacking your medical provider in that manner etc. Thank you for insulting me! LOL...

I understand a lot more than you seem to think, sorry you feel that way.

Your co employee is not the only one suffering from ptsd.

Putting you on ignore permanently. Take care and have a nice day. 😁

[doc03]

9. I was talking to one of those Qanon MAGA

ladies today according to her he is not the guy evidence planted. She claimed the original picture the guy had a uni-brow, Maglioni looks nothing like him

[Deep State Witch]

11. Take Anything From the Baltimore Scum

With a huge grain of salt. It's owned by Sinclair Media.

[dalton99a]

13. +1. "Only crazy people think our health insurance industry is bad"

[Lulu KC]

14. Who said that?

[LeftInTX]

17. Since it has been pretty much been proven that his brief manifesto is his, it does not seem like someone who is mentally

ill wrote that. He may have some issues, but his writing is very concise and to the point. I remember the guy who set himself on fire at the Trump trial. Good gosh. He was literally writing on the walls of his apartment.

[AwakeAtLast]

19. If John Lennon's killer was found impaired

This guy should be as well.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Keep in mind: The Baltimore Sun is now a right wing rag

[Think. Again.]

26. Obviously, a person has to be mentally or emotionally unstable...

...to kill another, just as the health insurance executives who choose to have people suffer and die and for their own profit are psychopathic.