My values remain unchanged. I am not so sure about our leaders.

[boston bean]

I will hold some reservation until the shit hits the fan but

Working with trump on judicial appointments
The deafening silence of our leaders
The support by some of them to pardon this mfer! Wteverlovinghell?
The disrespect to Joe regarding him pardoning his son like there is some moral equivalency between his action and Trump.

I am getting angry.

[leftstreet]

1. DuRec

[Quiet Em]

2. Yeah I'm starting to get a little ticked off too

I will not change my values or beliefs or stop fighting for causes I believe in and I will never appease or accept the Republican agenda.

[livetohike]

3. I feel the same way. Something doesn't feel right.

Do any of our leaders have any fight left in them? If so, who?

[wnylib]

40. Are they looking out for themselves now and not the people or the country?

[Mike 03]

4. Nailed it.

Something isn't right. I'm getting the feeling that some people previously worth of our admiration are shifting into the "go along to get along" mode. Okay, historically that certainly happens under authoritarians and dictators.

I'm not even quite able to articulate my level of agitation--I'm not panicking yet, but I'm watching everything extremely closely and not liking a lot of what I'm seeing.

If what some of us think is unfolding actually IS unfolding, my next question is where do they think their next tranche of financial support will come from? Or are the voters no longer that important now that corporations basically finance elections?

[durablend]

11. Or maybe the thought is

"No more elections so we're not worried about your vote either"

[sprinkleeninow]

15. I second this emotion:

"I'm not even quite able to articulate my level of agitation--I'm not panicking yet, but I'm watching everything extremely closely and not liking a lot of what I'm seeing.."

[NotHardly]

20. If this is any indication of Democrat reps behavior, we are in a sh*t load of danger out here

[BeerBarrelPolka]

23. I agree except

I never admired any of them. I felt, and still do, that my closest friends and myself are better people than any politician I have ever seen. And I say that in all honesty.

[senseandsensibility]

5. Yes

Unbelievably obvious unless you are willfully blind. They are actually starting to scare me. But like you I am mostly angry and have been for a while now.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. Why wait? I think it's fair to say that leaders ran on democracy dying under Trump and now simply aren't acting like

they believed their own message.

[moniss]

13. Excellent point. nt

[BeerBarrelPolka]

24. Bingo!

[Bettie]

7. I am too

apparently, few of our leaders have any backbone.

But, they do contact me daily to ask for donations. If they aren't willing to fight for us, why should we keep donating?

[onecaliberal]

21. You should see my replies to them.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

8. I am also upset by the actions listed in the OP

[newdeal2]

9. I can accept some temporary silence

If they need to regroup and figure some things out. But I'm not sure that's happening.

The others are plain unacceptable.

[Evolve Dammit]

10. Hear ya.

[moniss]

12. I can tell you that when our party rolled over and

basically agreed with Ford pardoning Nixon it was one of the most disheartening, disillusioning and disgusting moments I've ever seen. It turned off huge numbers of young people in a very big way and the Carter years couldn't bring it back enough to prevent Reagan and the succession of GQP created disasters for the country.

[Lonestarblue]

14. When I think about our party today, the question I come back to is "Who is our leader?"

It has clearly been Biden for the past four years, but he is not the future. Neither are the Clintons or Obamas. Harris has virtually disappeared, and I can understand a retreat for a bit, but is she coming back? We have some excellent state governors, but no one of them is our leader. Who is out there on the news shows, on social media, writing opinions saying that we heard voters’ concerns about inflation, on migrants, on workers’ rights?

Our party could have a lot to say right now about healthcare, the historically low inflation and unemployment rates, the manufacturing jobs created with details about where, how the investments of the last four years are paying off. If Democrats fail to get any messages out, Trump and Republicans will simply take credit for everything this administration accomplished.

The silence is deafening. And I still do not know who our leader is. I believe it should be Harris, but she needs to get busy soon or she will become a footnote in history..

[LymphocyteLover]

18. Yes, totally agree... we need a strong leader and it's not clear who that is right now. I hope Kamala comes back and

doesn't fade away.

[JoseBalow]

16. Being mad as hell is only the first part of the equation

[LoisB]

17. I have been angry since the first "Joe needs to step aside, he is too old" comment.

[LymphocyteLover]

19. I understand. The lack of outrage over these insane appointments is upsetting. I'm sure they know these people are

terrible. Are they just afraid of becoming targets? FFS!

[BeerBarrelPolka]

32. If

If they are afraid, they need to resign their positions and walk away from politics.

[Beck23]

22. I am waiting for....

Trump's supporters to see high prices under the tariffs, and see food prices rise. Egg prices will continue to rise since RFK Jr. won't regulate raw milk ro control bird flu. Businesses will feel free to do price fixing again make people work in unsafe conditions.

By the time the MAGAs wake up it will be too late to blame Biden. Then they will realize they have been screwed. That's when things will get interesting. Sometimes you just have to let the laws of nature take their course. In the meantime take care of yourself.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

25. .

By the time the MAGAs wake up it will be too late to blame Biden.

It's never too late to blame the Democrats.

[keepthemhonestO]

27. What the ?

Ever lovin?! You're joking right? We need to get them all that are acting like he and this is normal out of office. We'll be coming for their jobs.

Edit( this was meant for the main poster)

[BeerBarrelPolka]

29. The

The repubs will always blame the Democrats. They still taunt Bill Clinton for god's sake.

What are you even referring to?

[keepthemhonestO]

31. That was intended for the

Main post not yours. Oh well, I'm not going to rewrite one now.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

33. All good!

[JMCKUSICK]

26. I learned that the Democratic Party

Stopped fighting, really fighting for anything long ago. I just didn't wake up to that fact until this election.

They negotiate themselves right out the door because no-one can trust " What they stand for anymore " as it is ALL negotiable. I've been pissed since November 6.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/11045035
posted Nov 20.

I'm traumatized as I happen to be one of millions and millions "not worth fighting for"
I will die a hardcore Democrat, but much as Repubs need to soul search due to trump, we need to soul search for much deeper reasons as our side didn't even sell their soul for wins.

[keepthemhonestO]

30. Interesting

Yes, I hate the way the Democrats cave. We aren't fighting the same at all even with elections, look what they are doing there to make certain people don't vote. They are fighting dirty at all levels.

When we vote for people we need to find out who we in fact are voting in. Maybe we need a litmus test for that but also we'll likely be sacrificing other great attributes but the diplomat in Congress just isn't working anymore.

I just saw your post you linked to that was a great one.

[JMCKUSICK]

34. Thank you,

Trying to figure out what we can do about it.

[surfered]

28. Republicans have certainly changed. Not long ago they objected to their President being a crook and abusing his power.

[republianmushroom]

35. Until it hits the fan, then.

46 months and counting

[JI7]

36. What exactly is anyone supposed to do ?

[byronius]

37. Yeah, @&$@ these @&$!$&@s.

I’m watching everything.

[Magoo48]

38. I have so, so much to say on this subject, but everyone pretty much covered it.

So, I’ll simply add two cents worth—Yup!

[jalan48]

39. I don't think our leaders know what to do. They weren't built for this situation.

They long for the days of bi-partisanship and making deals. It's time for them to go and for new leaders to come forward that are more in touch with reality.

[wnylib]

42. Some of them very well might go. The ones who

are targets for TSF's retaliation might not just leave office. They might leave the country.

[jalan48]

43. If it gets to the point where former Democratic leaders have to leave, I think our country is gone.

I hope that doesn't happen.

[Orrex]

41. There is absolutely no up side to pardoning Trump. None at all.

Ford pardoned Nixon under the pretense of "healing the nation," but that's a distant memory with no bearing on today's world. Pardoning Trump would do nothing but prove to him and his fuckhead KKKultists that he has carte blanche to do literally anything he wants with no consequences, blowback or accountability.

Fuck him and anyone who calls for his pardon.

[Jack Valentino]

44. Pardon Trump?? Only if Luigi is also pardoned.

Luigi only shot one CEO. Trump was deliberately responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands,
with his purposeful COVID mismanagement---

(because he got stuck on the idea that mostly big-city Democrats were dying, and liked that idea,
which was true when the virus first hit us)