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Fetterman continues his fast transition: "Always was a hard YES for Elise Stefanik" (Original Post) themaguffin 8 hrs ago OP
And his apologists are all over this issue. Voltaire2 8 hrs ago #1
What a dumbass durablend 8 hrs ago #2
This!!!! ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝ wolfie001 6 hrs ago #31
That's the irony of the whole charade Blue_Tires 6 hrs ago #33
The stupid is burning us. onecaliberal 5 hrs ago #40
Trying to replace Joe Manchin's role in the Senate? no_hypocrisy 8 hrs ago #3
Probably scared after seeing Casey lose and trying to cover his ass... W_HAMILTON 8 hrs ago #7
Good analysis of the so-called "mandate" GenThePerservering 8 hrs ago #8
This is a helpful, believable explanation. Mike 03 8 hrs ago #9
He isn't up for reelection until 2028 Fiendish Thingy 7 hrs ago #14
Believe he is showing his "true colors", just not a deep blue. republianmushroom 7 hrs ago #23
Hitching his horse to a honeywagon... japple 6 hrs ago #37
Man, he's covering his tracks fast for some reason bucolic_frolic 8 hrs ago #4
Too Fast & Clumsily imo. Cha 7 hrs ago #24
Maybe been threatened by TSF? Does somebody have something on him? wnylib 5 hrs ago #43
*facepalm* Dennis Donovan 8 hrs ago #5
Not sure which one looks more stupid displacedvermoter 8 hrs ago #6
It wasn't exciting enough just being a senator. He's reinvented himself Mike 03 7 hrs ago #12
Oh is that who that is? I saw it earlier Cha 7 hrs ago #20
Someone needs to explain to me that whole Blue_Tires 6 hrs ago #34
If he's as bad as people are saying now, why was he a hero like lawyer Avenatti before being elected? Silent Type 7 hrs ago #10
A double Orange Fuhrer's thumbs up. magicarpet 7 hrs ago #11
SMH Furiously. Cha 7 hrs ago #21
Yes the famous Trump gesture. Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #29
Fetterman beat Oz... lame54 7 hrs ago #13
The morphing of Sen Fettermanchin Jersey Devil 7 hrs ago #15
First Rule for Democrats when one Joe Mansion walks out the door Hassler 7 hrs ago #16
Backroom deals being made as we speak. Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #28
"Always was for a Gaslit Liar and enemy of Cha 7 hrs ago #17
Between Boba Fett and Moskowitz...ugh JanMichael 7 hrs ago #18
Jeez, what happened to him? Or was he always like that but covered it up? Ocelot II 7 hrs ago #19
He lost me right here. I liked him up until now. She's an evil opportunist of the worst sort. Wingus Dingus 7 hrs ago #22
We live in the age of the Great Unmasking. Mister Ed 7 hrs ago #25
We live in upside down world. Anything is now possible. Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #27
Is this why they have been so quiet? Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #26
Now y'all understand why I say I can't trust literally anybody anymore.... Blue_Tires 6 hrs ago #30
No election deniers should be confirmed creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #32
Post removed Post removed 6 hrs ago #35
It's arguably better to have Stafanik as UN Ambassador than to have her in the House. thesquanderer 6 hrs ago #36
My exact thoughts timms139 5 hrs ago #38
The real question is who bought him to sit on which committees? Ford_Prefect 5 hrs ago #39
Pretty fucked up we had that asshole's back when when he had his nervous breakdown and now he's flipping us all off. bluesbassman 5 hrs ago #41
There is ForgedCrank 5 hrs ago #42

wolfie001

(3,778 posts)
31. This!!!! ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:30 PM
6 hrs ago

He just witnessed, as did we all, what happened to his fellow Dem Senator. This is a job protection act. Pure Joe Manchin. Our country is in deep doo doo.

Blue_Tires

(56,230 posts)
33. That's the irony of the whole charade
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:38 PM
6 hrs ago

We've seen this game play out how many times over the fucking years? First he's just Trumper-curious, then he can't comment on anything without playing the "both sides" card, and then it's the age-old trope about how "the Democratic Party left me behind because they no longer represent "**REAL 'MURIKINS**!" And next he'll be a hot ticket invitee on all the cable news shows and Rogan, and then he'll start actively working against Dems, accusing us of being "too partisan and elitist" while doing guest speaker spots at conservative conferences... Sometime after that, he'll officially declare himself an "Independent"

And right when he thinks he's deftly straddled the line of being JUST Trumper enough while not pissing off too many Dems, right when he thinks he's got all the moderate Trumper votes he needs for re-election, that he'll finally reap all the rewards from selling out, the GOP replaces his ass with a REAL Trumper candidate and he loses reelection 65/35....

W_HAMILTON

(8,535 posts)
7. Probably scared after seeing Casey lose and trying to cover his ass...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:15 PM
8 hrs ago

...without realizing that Casey barely lost, in a year that ended up being difficult for Democrats because voters treated the election as a referendum on how things were going and they were viewed as the party in power that was responsible for all that ails them.

Unless Trump starts sending out COVID bucks again, voters are going to quickly tire of his shit just like they quickly tired of his shit before. Hell, Fetterman and a lot of the other Democratic wins in PA in recent years were due to the backlash against MAGA, but it appears he -- and a lot of other Democrats, sadly -- think that this is some groundswell event that portends us becoming a MAGA nation when in reality it was just an extremely close election decided by a few thousand votes that just happened to swing the fascist's way because of the inflation issue.

Prices won't be going down -- unless the dipshit drives us into another recession, which is quite possible -- and the MAGA antics that had voters showing him and his Republicans out the door in 2018 and 2020 are only going to be worse this time around.

Fetterman is hitching his horse to the wrong wagon. Granted, it might be a good thing, because it's better he show his true colors now and get primaried and replaced next cycle rather than have him become entrenched in his seat and stabbing us in the back the rest of his career. Manchin was able to do it because he was one of the few Democrats beloved in WV, but Fetterman hasn't built that history yet. I could easily see him getting successfully primaried out of his seat, especially if the backlash to MAGA is what I anticipate it to be over these next few years.

Mike 03

(17,125 posts)
9. This is a helpful, believable explanation.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:23 PM
8 hrs ago

It's so unsettling to see these transformations. I still have trouble accepting Kyrsten Sinema's total reinvention of herself and complete repudiation of the things she ran on. So far I haven't seen a change in core values in Fetterman, but his incessant trolling is irritating.

I wonder what the people who worked so hard to get him into office are feeling.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,670 posts)
14. He isn't up for reelection until 2028
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:38 PM
7 hrs ago

Plenty of time for him to show his true colors, and for a Primary opponent to raise money.

Shapiro could probably beat him easily.

Mike 03

(17,125 posts)
12. It wasn't exciting enough just being a senator. He's reinvented himself
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:29 PM
7 hrs ago

as a cranky, unpredictable Edgelord who isn't the slightest bit amusing and can't read the room. We'll see how far he gets trolling his own supporters while making overtures to the autocrats.

When Joe Scarborough boasts that the most important people think what he and Mika did was brilliant, it was probably Fetterman he was thinking of. I bet Fetterman called him immediately to congratulate him.

Cha

(305,693 posts)
20. Oh is that who that is? I saw it earlier
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:54 PM
7 hrs ago

and didn't know.

Does he approve of the J6 invasion? As If Democracy Doesn't have Enough GD PROBLEMS NOW!!

Blue_Tires

(56,230 posts)
34. Someone needs to explain to me that whole
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:40 PM
6 hrs ago

"United Nations is completely taken over by Hamas" talking point that Trumpers have been spreading nonstop on Twitter...

Jersey Devil

(10,348 posts)
15. The morphing of Sen Fettermanchin
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:40 PM
7 hrs ago

or was it there the whole time, just not visible? A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. Li da li.

Hassler

(3,756 posts)
16. First Rule for Democrats when one Joe Mansion walks out the door
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:47 PM
7 hrs ago

Another walks in. Wonder who'll be the new Sinema?

Mister Ed

(6,364 posts)
25. We live in the age of the Great Unmasking.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:10 PM
7 hrs ago

I shouldn't be shocked or surprised anymore, but I continue to be.

Blue_Tires

(56,230 posts)
30. Now y'all understand why I say I can't trust literally anybody anymore....
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:25 PM
6 hrs ago


DUers need to understand that nobody is coming to help, aside from a few dedicated and isolated stalwarts. There's no cavalry coming...

Every Dem in the House and Senate who isn't in a dark blue electorate is going to be surprisingly tolerant of the Trumper junta this time around, if not join them outright... Expect a lot of "see no evil/hear no evil" attitudes from a bunch of allies who were part of the Resistance a few short weeks ago...

creeksneakers2

(7,607 posts)
32. No election deniers should be confirmed
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:35 PM
6 hrs ago

Nor anyone, like she did, that was part of the coup attempt. I don't agree with Fetterman at all on this one.

Response to themaguffin (Original post)

thesquanderer

(12,379 posts)
36. It's arguably better to have Stafanik as UN Ambassador than to have her in the House.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:47 PM
6 hrs ago

And it's not like Trump was going to pick anyone for UN ambassador that we'd like.

If nothing else, the Republican's slim House majority will be one vote smaller with Stefanik out, until her replacement is voted in, even though it is a near certainty that her replacement will be Republican.

I don't really have a problem with this pick. What are people afraid she's going to do as UN ambassador, that wouldn't be done by any other Trump appointee?

bluesbassman

(19,868 posts)
41. Pretty fucked up we had that asshole's back when when he had his nervous breakdown and now he's flipping us all off.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:00 PM
5 hrs ago

ForgedCrank

(2,330 posts)
42. There is
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:02 PM
5 hrs ago

definitely something wrong with this guy. He seemed pretty solid in the beginning, now not so much.

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