Kill one person, go to jail. Kill thousands, get a bonus.

[Eko]

My Dad died from not being able to get insulin. If you want to talk to me about murder I can definitely have that conversation.

[Celerity]

1. +100000000000000000000000000

[malaise]

2. Too sad

Rec

[Irish_Dem]

3. Billionaires and politicians can kill people legally.

The rest of us not so much.

So sorry to hear about your Dad.

Makes me so mad to hear about preventable deaths in the richest country in the history of the damn world.

[Eko]

6. Thanks.

[mzmolly]

4. Oh goodness.

I'm so very sorry.

[GreenWave]

5. Ultra white collar crimes are not really viewed as crimes.

[LiberalArkie]

9. It is not a crime unless you hurt someone financially who is in a higher social class.

Example: Madoff and Kuschner

[WarGamer]

7. Here's the difference.

Shooting someone on the street is ILLEGAL.

The current health insurance system operates between legal lines DRAFTED BY CONGRESS over the decades.

Blame politicians.

If it was ILLEGAL to deny coverage... they wouldn't do it.

[Eko]

10. One is a illegal murder and one is a legal murder.

Still murder. My Dad didn't deserve that in any way. Whoever decided that he wouldn't get insulin sure as shit killed him as the person who shot the CEO.

[soandso]

23. This is exactly right

We have a system that enables or green lights this shit. Congress, courts and bureaucrats. I don't why it's so hard for some people to understand that while murder is wrong, corporate abuse which can result in misery or death is just as wrong and so people are conflicted about it.

[dpibel]

27. Illegal, immoral, and gray areas

You do know that, as an avid poster on these threads has pointed out, the majority of initial denials of coverage are ultimately resolved in the patient's favor (as long as the patient is still alive).

IOW, assuming this prolific pro-insurance poster is correct, the majority of initial denials are improper.

Now, here's a fun question for you: If you do something negligent--just out of the clear blue, let's say deny medical treatment that should, by contract and by law, be provided--and someone dies, is there a legal term for that?

It's not murder. But I think it's close.

You are pretending that there are clear and obvious categories. A person as smart as you knows that's not at all the case.

Obviously, no prosecutor is going to charge an insurance company, or its claims denier, or its CEO with manslaughter for causing a death through negligence. But that's not because the elements of the crime aren't there. It's because that sort of thing simply isn't done.

BTW: A whole bunch of insurance law is drafted by states, not BY CONGRESS.

[WarGamer]

34. thanks for adding that... YES State laws are equally responsible. +100

[dpibel]

36. Fair enough

But anything on the substance?

You know. The part about negligent killing?

[Blue Full Moon]

28. Germany during 1930s had it legal.

[Silent Type]

8. Sorry about your dad. Can you mention the company that denied it?

[Eko]

13. Thanks.

I'm not really sure who it was. I think I have some old bills in a box that would tell me in my closet somewhere.

[Silent Type]

17. Don't worry about it. At least nowadays insulin is somewhat affordable.

[quakerboy]

30. Sorta. They are still playing lots of games

Ive been helping a few neighbors do the dance.

They will be approved by insurance for one brand of insulin, not another. But they wont tell the DR in an easily accessable format which brands the insurance covers, nor the exact dose they cover. So then the dr writes the prescription based on what they see as the your medical actual needs. Then the patient goes to the pharmacy only to find out that dosage makes the bottle cover 35 days instead of 30, so the insurance doesnt cover it at the $35, and they still have to pay $105 or whatever.

So the patient gets that information, goes back for another medical visit, and they adjust the dosage to make it work. All good.. until the medicine manufacturers realize that with the new deals they dont make quite as much, so they stop making as much, or change one little thing so they can discontinue the "inexpensive" version. Now the pharmacy(and others in the area) is out of stock of the one insurance covers, so the patient gets to either do without or pay full price for a different brand or "model" that insurance doesn't cover.

Then I help them look on the marketplace to see if there's a plan that provides better coverage for the next year. And each plan covers one, or another, but none cover them all. Most of the time, there are several listings for the same drug (same name, brand, dosage, form, all details provided exactly identical), and 1 entry will be covered but another will not. How can one plan both cover and exclude the same exact insulin?

[orleans]

32. what a wonderful thing you do, helping neighbors with this insurance madness.

if i was in their position i know i'd be needing help and i'd love and appreciate all the help anyone could give me.

i have no doubt they feel the same way.

thank you for being such a kind hearted and thoughtful quakerboy

[D23MIURG23]

11. K&R

[Hekate]

12. I'm sorry for your loss, and completely understand

Someone will be along soon to tell us how health insurance companies are only trying to protect us from cheating, over-billing hospitals and doctors.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

14. Your dad mattered less than an insurance exec according to their defenders.

After all, the exec dying was a heinous murder! Your dad? Just a meaningless statistic. (And I'm truly sorry that he had to go that way.)

Lines have been drawn in the sand. The Haves vs. the Have Nots.

And the Haves are doing everything they can to stifle the rest of us.

[Eko]

15. Yup, just a meaningless statistic.

[Arazi]

16. With you on this 100%

These healthcare CEOs are murderers just as much as Mangione.

Really sorry for your loss. Almost everyone has horror stories and they matter.

[onecaliberal]

18. Hugs. 🤗

So many of us…

[BlueMTexpat]

19. Or get

elected President!

[fierywoman]

21. Exactly: kill tens or hundreds of thousands and win a presidency.

[Disaffected]

20. That's horrible.

But may I ask, on what grounds was his treatment denied (or was the cost of insulin beyond his reach)?

[IbogaProject]

22. Horrible

Big pharma, the business focused medical pros and for prifit insurance all play their evil parts.

[Initech]

24. "The death of one person is a tragedy, the death of many is a statistic." - Josef Stalin

[Cirsium]

25. The law

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
But turns the bigger robber loose
Who steals the common from off the goose.

The law demands that we atone
When we take things we do not own,
But leaves the lords and ladies fine
Who take things that are yours and mine.

The poor and wretched don’t escape
If they conspire the law to break.
This must be so, but they endure
Those who conspire to make the law.

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
And geese will still a common lack
Till they go and steal it back.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

26. I'm so sorry for your loss n/t

[elleng]

29. 'Krista Monroe, a former UnitedHealthcare employee who says she worked under CEO Brian Thompson

'Krista Monroe, a former UnitedHealthcare employee who says she worked under CEO Brian Thompson
in the Medicare department, shared a scathing account of the company’s internal practices in a now-viral video. Monroe alleges that the company’s policies were designed to maximize profits at the expense of patients, particularly the elderly. Her experience shines a light on how insurance companies exploit systemic flaws to deny essential care and leave patients struggling to survive.

“They would deny almost everything immediately, right, with very little to valid reason,” Monroe revealed in her video. “A lot of it was they banked on the fact that a lot of people were elderly, and if they made the process difficult enough, they would just say screw it and either pay for it or not get the service.”'

https://polinews.org/apparent-employee-of-united-healthcare-shares-her-experience-working-for-ceo-brian-thompson-in-medicare-department/?

[orleans]

33. it doesn't sound like the person in the video is krista monroe since

krista monroe tweeted the video and said:

ATTN: Everyone!

You have got to listen to this testimonial from someone who worked directly under Brian Thompson in the Medicare dept.

If this doesn't make your blood boil, I demand to see proof of life.

We have got to handle this once and for all. Because she's right-- it's enough to make any of us snap.

if it is the same person then she is referring to herself as "someone" instead of saying "i worked directly..."
and she's saying, about herself: "because she's right.."

it's a bit confusing ...

but that video is powerful

[Turbineguy]

31. Kill a million

get elected President.

[Baron2024]

35. Sorry For The Loss Of Your Dad

Corporate corruption is a terrible thing, especially when it comes to life and death issues and health care. We need Medicare For All yesterday. Keep fighting the good fight.

[moondust]

37. It's not slavery.

But getting wealthy by devising ways to deny other people the health care they need after they have paid you for coverage might be considered another form of predation IMO.

[Skittles]

38. THEY ARE BOTH MURDERERS

BOTH ARE WRONG