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usonian

(14,309 posts)
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:39 PM 4 hrs ago

DAMMIT, you're all overthinking it.

I see many posts about how Dems used the wrong messaging, how we can't believe that so many people fell for Trump. Well, let me make it clear and simple.

With pictures in fact.

Why?
1. THEY VOTED FOR RACISM AND MISOGYNY, USING EGGS OR WHATEVER AS A COVER.
In the past it was Willie Horton, it was Joe Biden's age, any excuse to cover up their racism.
Did age really matter?
Without racism and misogyny there IS NO Republican party since Lee Atwater and the "Southern Strategy"


Why the hell else would slobs just squeaking by vote for the rich?

How?
2. THEY FELL FOR THE YEARS AND. YEARS OF "24 BY 7 BY 365" LIES.



And for what?
3. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GOD OF MONEY


Churches have sold out. There IS NO moral fiber in "Team Scum"


THEY WILL DO ALL THEY CAN TO GET YOUR EYES OFF THE PRIZE.
Look at my thumb, Gee, you're dumb.

Clickbait can wait.
Our cause is great.

Unite and fight.

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DAMMIT, you're all overthinking it. (Original Post) usonian 4 hrs ago OP
Thanks -- you said it with pictures Hekate 3 hrs ago #1
Excellent OP. Totally agree! ananda 3 hrs ago #2
K&R MustLoveBeagles 3 hrs ago #3
Nailed it malaise 3 hrs ago #4
Because what we need is more of the same? DJ Synikus Makisimus 3 hrs ago #5
I'm with You My Friend BOSSHOG 2 hrs ago #6
Were you ever undecided during this election? JMCKUSICK 52 min ago #20
Post of the day! Quiet Em 2 hrs ago #7
Bookmarked ... Auggie 2 hrs ago #8
Share. I got them all from the internet. usonian 1 hr ago #12
I agree. LoisB 2 hrs ago #9
Well said. I agree 💯. Dem4life1970 2 hrs ago #10
Great post! Wild blueberry 1 hr ago #11
Well said, thank you. patphil 1 hr ago #13
GOSH, did THAT many 'racists' vote to give Obama the overwhelming victories Jack Valentino 1 hr ago #14
No question. Fuck the patriarchy. onecaliberal 1 hr ago #15
THIS: "They got you fighting a culture war to stop you from fighting a class war." Iggo 1 hr ago #16
I disagree for one main reason JMCKUSICK 1 hr ago #17
start talking straight to people. usonian 24 min ago #22
You're not wrong either JMCKUSICK 1 min ago #23
economy + the moron is on my teevee. stupid won. he is the moron whisperer. pansypoo53219 1 hr ago #18
Ran across this quote and threw the image together soldierant 1 hr ago #19
I love it JMCKUSICK 50 min ago #21
5. Because what we need is more of the same?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:03 PM
3 hrs ago

Look where that's gotten us.

Oh, and every time someone's told me I'm "overthinking," it's a demand that I be obedient. Not gonna happen.

BOSSHOG

(40,114 posts)
6. I'm with You My Friend
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:12 PM
2 hrs ago

I heard the Dems message, liked what I heard, voted for it.

I heard trumps message, hated what I heard, voted against it.

Pretty simple to me.

And your pictures are spot on. Banks are Churches. No greater truth.

JMCKUSICK

(450 posts)
20. Were you ever undecided during this election?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:48 PM
52 min ago

Maybe I'll say it like this.
I feel like Democrats ran campaigns designed for and by MSNBC watchers, in other words, informed voters. So of course you agreed with their message. So did I. But I was in the bag already.

How many times have you heard one constituency or another point blank tell Democrats that you only show up during election season and ignore us the rest of the time?
When is that going to get decision makers to a different place? To a different conversation?
For me, there's one simple solution, not a fifty state strategy, but a 3143 county strategy.
Fayette County Dems Facebook page has exactly 4 posts since Nov 8.
4.
I've been here since Nov 2020 and registered to vote here in 2021 and have never received a call, text, invitation, piece of mail. Nothing.
A poster stated that he/she felt that most rural voters were shit.
I think by and large, the Democratic party agrees in action as it sure seems that no-one is trying to get these voters back or even offer an alternative to the many disaffected R's that have been completely ignored in the sense that the only outreach they may have gotten is a commercial.
I remember hearing that Candidate Kamala Harris gave 25 million dollars to help down ballot candidates and that was a big deal cause no one was doing it before.
Most of the campaigning is concentrated in a few counties in a few states. There are 1958 non-metro counties in the USA. According to Axios, Dems spent 4.5 Billion dollars in the 2024 election. Are you telling me there's not enough money to set up real offices with full time employees doing voter outreach FULL TIME all the time?
I'll close with this simple question:
When was the last time Dems engaged in a listening tour of the USA?

usonian

(14,309 posts)
12. Share. I got them all from the internet.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:44 PM
1 hr ago

I had to copy some to image hosts because many URL's won't render here.
Some minor edits only.

Jack Valentino

(1,463 posts)
14. GOSH, did THAT many 'racists' vote to give Obama the overwhelming victories
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:49 PM
1 hr ago

which he achieved ????

Because if everyone who voted for Trump is a racist,
then a huge shitload of 'racists' voted for Barack Obama...


It's an over-simplification.

YES, many if not most members of the Republican party have racist tendencies---
but nearly a third of all registered voters now claim to be independent.

Lots of voters who voted for Barack Obama also voted for Donald Trump--- sadly--
but I presume that most of those were never 'loyal Democrats'.

Those who did had hurt feelings over high prices, IMHO-
and yes, a number of them couldn't get over the great big BLACK WOMAN hill...

but to define every Trump voter as a racist is a mistake, it is wrong,
it is not even accurate,
and it is counter-productive for this party moving forward.

(Personally, I think we lost the election on party base turnout,
and the numbers compared to 2020 back that up---

and in fact, we lost this election by a relative "eye-lash" )


Our party does not need to go "MAGA" by any stretch of the imagination---
but our emphasis should be on economics, and the workers who make this economy work,
and historically have been the backbone of this party, until the Trump era--
Trump has only managed to capture some of those, because he could 'talk the talk'--
but he has NEVER walked the walk--- and after January 20th,
he will be responsible for the high cost of eggs and Doritos!


Iggo

(48,373 posts)
16. THIS: "They got you fighting a culture war to stop you from fighting a class war."
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:08 PM
1 hr ago

I keep telling my malinformed coworkers, “If you’re trying to figure out where your money went, stop looking at the people who don’t have any, and start looking at the people who have more and more.”

JMCKUSICK

(450 posts)
17. I disagree for one main reason
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:13 PM
1 hr ago

Dems had 3 great Presidents in the last 32 years. All three accomplished great things, from being the only one to operate on a surplus, to the other two getting us out of economic catastrophes, along with great moral leadership from last two and finally amazing legislative achievements from the second and third.
Each R President destroyed our economy.
Somehow, they're the ones that keep getting elected following D's successful presidencies but we don't have a messaging problem.
50 jobs D's created for every 1 R's created. When former President Bill Clinton uttered those FACTS during his convention speech, I thought no way. If that were really true, every Dem would be shouting it from the rooftops.
I live an hour from St Louis and was inundated with ads day and night and yet that startling fact was never on any of those ads.
Candidate Kunce, ran F'ing ads about standing up to protect the border " no matter who's President."
The Border was the issue inn middle America according to his advisers.
50-1
Why would anyone run on anything else when the economy was supposedly the main concern of every day Americans?

I know it's not that simple, but we need to stop running focus group designed campaigns and start talking straight to people.
Based on the success of our Presidents, how did a single R get elected?

usonian

(14,309 posts)
22. start talking straight to people.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:16 AM
24 min ago

You've got it right there.

I promised to write up ways to coordinate efforts, and the first draft took me most of the evening.
Posting in Activist HQ and will update.

That said, I do stand behind the idea that any old issue that registers with the yokels (it could have been (and was for a while) "banning gas stoves) and was variously eating pets or something to do with cat litter. They LITERALLY throw shit against the wall to see what sticks.

WAY MORE things went down in price while eggs went up, but "IT WAS THE EGGS". The power of propaganda to take an outlier and make it seem the norm. Do you remember Willie Horton? How many were there? And her emails?

Dems won't go there for obvious reasons. We are not scumbags, nor should we be.

Hate just shifts from one target to another, as in cults. I just ran out of space for targets. Immigrants, I might add, but that is a form of racism to me. Each wave was targeted. Italians were "not white"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html
If paywalled, https://archive.ph/sZKNY

Not to digress, start locally, yes.
How? Let's work that out here if centrally-organized and run efforts are failing.

JMCKUSICK

(450 posts)
23. You're not wrong either
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:39 AM
1 min ago

In the simplest description, it seemed like the only voters that mattered were swing staters.

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