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Dennis Donovan

(29,468 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:57 PM Dec 12

The Dworkin Report: Did CNN Really Think We'd Fall For This?

The Dworkin Report - Did CNN Really Think We’d Fall For This?

Give me a break

Scott Dworkin
Dec 12, 2024

Yesterday, rightwing news outlets celebrated a new poll that was released with the headline: “Most Americans approve how Trump is handling his return to the White House.”

Wanna guess who ran this poll and ridiculous story? Nope, it wasn’t Fox.

It was CNN, who even went so far to say their numbers prove Trump has “earned a honeymoon period with the public.” As if we needed another reason not to watch their network anymore.

It took some digging, but I was able to get a copy of the 33-page polling memo, and the fine print is just ridiculous. Having worked with pollsters for decades—I can tell you this whole thing needs to be ripped to shreds.

Out of the mere 1,011 people polled, 72% said they were only somewhat, not too closely, or not at all following news about Trump’s transition. So if these folks aren’t paying attention, why is CNN pretending this represents all of America? It was the basis for their entire article, after all.

What they should have said is that only a slim majority of the small sample they polled—most of whom aren’t aren’t actively tuned in—“approve” of how Trump was “handling” his return to the White House.

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The Dworkin Report: Did CNN Really Think We'd Fall For This? (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Dec 12 OP
Unfortunately, the election showed us the majority of people just don't give a damn. Silent Type Dec 12 #1
Correct Cosmocat Dec 13 #42
Thank you for sharing this. magicarpet Dec 12 #2
Cnn sucks !!!!!!! Trueblue1968 Dec 12 #16
What's CNN? Magoo48 Dec 12 #29
Crappiest News Network RainCaster Dec 12 #33
Ahhh. Magoo48 Dec 13 #40
Garbage In... Garbage Out... Garbage In... Garbage Out... Garbage In... Garbage Out... Kid Berwyn Dec 12 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author markodochartaigh Dec 12 #7
LOLOL. The photo is real. Kid Berwyn Dec 12 #13
Sorry, markodochartaigh Dec 12 #23
Please, do not worry, my Friend! No apologies necessary. Kid Berwyn Dec 12 #25
Well here's the thing - yeah, of course they thought we'd fall for it. Shit like that got Trump elected didn't it? bluesbassman Dec 12 #4
CNN the new national enquirer. Keepthesoulalive Dec 12 #5
Ministry of Propaganda? Duncan Grant Dec 12 #6
Correction: Ministry of Truth Ray Bruns Dec 12 #9
I suppose for this handful of people who don't pay any attention Quiet Em Dec 12 #8
They should scramble 'em while they got 'em get the red out Dec 12 #10
And this is the type of 'reporting/polling' we can look forward to for the next 4 years peggysue2 Dec 12 #11
They are in actuality fake news after all Dem4life1970 Dec 12 #12
People who don't pay attention vote Sympthsical Dec 12 #14
CNN getting a fresh set of kneepads. hay rick Dec 12 #15
Another reason to not watch CNN kimbutgar Dec 12 #17
CNN has sucked for a very long time. Joinfortmill Dec 12 #18
Ever since Ted Turner sold it LiberalArkie Dec 12 #24
They don't care if we fall for it or not. BadgerMom Dec 12 #19
Their leadership sure has a taste for orange ass Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 12 #20
Sanewashing, pollwashing, brainwashing, trollwashing... dchill Dec 12 #21
Fuck Fascist Noise. Cha Dec 12 #22
Yes, and those who didn't fall for it aren't the target audience 0rganism Dec 12 #26
It's beyond me why anyone watches ANY cable news....#1 it isn't news! PortTack Dec 12 #27
So in reality which news network pushes progressive narratives? oldmanlynn Dec 12 #28
Butterball DingleBerryNW Dec 12 #30
Whaddabunchabullshit!! "Paying attention" is NOT the same thing as 'approving'. OMGWTF Dec 12 #31
No matter how many people are fine with Trump's "transition", Mblaze Dec 12 #32
We are going to get 4 years of this: Aussie105 Dec 12 #34
1000 sample size is NOT a small sample.... reACTIONary Dec 12 #35
For those who are interested, here is... reACTIONary Dec 12 #36
Misrepresentation??? You decide.... reACTIONary Dec 12 #37
Stopped watching them a long time ago except for Bill Maher. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 12 #38
"Tonight on CNN, a lot of people are saying..." Montauk6 Dec 13 #39
I stopped watching CNN over a decade ago ThePartyThatListens Dec 13 #41
The never-ending normalization of this fascist freak by most of the MSM is enraging LymphocyteLover Dec 13 #43
figures gopiscrap Dec 13 #44
very poor. Not journalism. Evolve Dammit Dec 13 #45
All the MSM now is going to be North Korea-esque Pro-Trump propaganda. Oneironaut Dec 13 #46

Kid Berwyn

(19,351 posts)
3. Garbage In... Garbage Out... Garbage In... Garbage Out... Garbage In... Garbage Out...
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:04 PM
Dec 12

If America had an honest news media, there would be no pee-resident Trump then, soon or ever.



An honest CNN might even bring on an expert to address the many layers of meaning presented when Russia's foreign minister stood behind the grinning traitor in the Oval Office.

Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #3)

Kid Berwyn

(19,351 posts)
13. LOLOL. The photo is real.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:54 PM
Dec 12

It was taken by a photographer working for the official Russian news agency, TASS. As no US news media were invited to the Oval Office to record the joyous moment where one of Russia's top spy-diplomats, the image recorded a chilling moment in the career of an unstable and moronic traitor. It likely never would have made it to DU weren't for pee-resident Donald J Trump, who personally posted it to his social media.

Over the years, Snopes or some such rightwing turd org, has spread the word that it was not a legitimate photo. They even ran a version that had pee-resident shitbrain standing behind Lavrov, who's sitting behind the Resolute Desk. The manipulaed image and resulting disinformation really pisses me off, as the photo and the recorded treasons are real.

Kid Berwyn

(19,351 posts)
25. Please, do not worry, my Friend! No apologies necessary.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:21 PM
Dec 12

We share a hope where Trump, Lavrov, Snopes and their traitorous MAGA horde get kicked to the curb of history. I hope it's not just an illusion, presented by the rich and powerful to soothe the painful reality that our eyes and ears report and our hearts and brains record.



bluesbassman

(20,166 posts)
4. Well here's the thing - yeah, of course they thought we'd fall for it. Shit like that got Trump elected didn't it?
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:11 PM
Dec 12

We are now fully immersed in the age of gaslighting. Gaslighting from the MAGA cult and the GOP, gaslighting from the Media, hell even gaslighting form some on our own damn side. It takes twice as much energy as it used to just to filter out the noise and get any kind of decent, reliable information. And that is probably what will sink us all.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,034 posts)
5. CNN the new national enquirer.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:12 PM
Dec 12

Hopefully people will stop watching and realize they are the propaganda arm of the republican party.

Quiet Em

(1,584 posts)
8. I suppose for this handful of people who don't pay any attention
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:25 PM
Dec 12

the comparison of this transition from one in 2020 makes them think things must be going well.

peggysue2

(11,661 posts)
11. And this is the type of 'reporting/polling' we can look forward to for the next 4 years
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:28 PM
Dec 12


Btw, I've turned off cable news. I'm not even subscribed to CNN which I first thought I'd miss.

Turns out I don't.

Dem4life1970

(718 posts)
12. They are in actuality fake news after all
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:38 PM
Dec 12

Meidas Touch, BTC, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, etc. this is where real news can be found....

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
14. People who don't pay attention vote
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:12 PM
Dec 12

See, this is the problem with people who live and breathe politics 24/7.

That 72% he's decrying? Yeah, they vote. There's no "You must have paid attention" toll before someone is allowed to fill out a ballot. So what they think actually does matter. A great deal.

Dworkin's "Only people glued to political news count" attitude is half the problem right there. It's a dismissal of large swaths of people right off the bat. "Pay no mind to what those people think."

Yeah. And how did that go for us? Everyone having a good autumn so far?

hay rick

(8,528 posts)
15. CNN getting a fresh set of kneepads.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:13 PM
Dec 12

My immediate reaction to the poll was from my well-practiced nose detecting bullshit.

BadgerMom

(3,113 posts)
19. They don't care if we fall for it or not.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:52 PM
Dec 12

They now want the Fox viewers. They’re left fighting for those brainless twits because they recognize that we’re lost to them. Good. Keep tuning them out.

dchill

(41,457 posts)
21. Sanewashing, pollwashing, brainwashing, trollwashing...
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:54 PM
Dec 12

All in a day's work for the well-remunerated drones at CNN. UP NEXT - Tariffs: A necessary evil? Just asking the questions the average, over-polled segment of America we represent aren't quite asking.

0rganism

(24,878 posts)
26. Yes, and those who didn't fall for it aren't the target audience
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:28 PM
Dec 12

As the article noted, over 2/3 of Americans fall within the target audience. (I.e., people who don't care)

I'm getting pretty tired of pundits who criticize pro-Trump poll results on the basis of their existence. The poll size is good enough for the typical 3% MOE, and the propaganda machine has been running full throttle for months now. The CNN poll is not making a particularly exceptional claim IMHO.

oldmanlynn

(594 posts)
28. So in reality which news network pushes progressive narratives?
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:42 PM
Dec 12

If you say none of them then you see the enormous problem we have with propaganda skewing information with a certain bias. If we cant counter that, how will we get our message out?

The answer isnt. We dont get our message out
The answer isnt. We using substack or blue sky

The answer cant be. We wait for republicans to fail and then the voters will pick us.


We have to counter the misinformation and get our messaging out to all Americans

DingleBerryNW

(27 posts)
30. Butterball
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:55 PM
Dec 12

The only reason to cozy up to the Orange one, is fear. It saddens me that the MSM is already caving to the fascists.

OMGWTF

(4,576 posts)
31. Whaddabunchabullshit!! "Paying attention" is NOT the same thing as 'approving'.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 04:01 PM
Dec 12

I am paying attention because I am scared to death about what this mofo will do to us this time. We know he DGAF about us.

Mblaze

(482 posts)
32. No matter how many people are fine with Trump's "transition",
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 06:05 PM
Dec 12

We're all gonna get bit badly by this snake and we all "knew damned well he was a snake before we let him in".

Aussie105

(6,807 posts)
34. We are going to get 4 years of this:
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:51 PM
Dec 12

Here is a poll that says You Never Had It So Good!

Polls or your eyes? Which do you go with?

4 years may be enough for a backlash . . . of the 'OH SHIT! I didn't vote for this!' level.
Hopefully on the level of . . . OH SHIT! I just cut up some chilies. Why did I rub my eyes and scratch my privates?

Fast forward 4 years: Dems will need the next 20 years to undo the sewage overflow of those Trump 4 years.

reACTIONary

(6,315 posts)
35. 1000 sample size is NOT a small sample....
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:53 PM
Dec 12

.... Size for a randomized sample. Its about standard for a large population, like a nation wide poll and gives the typical 3 or 4 percent error range.

reACTIONary

(6,315 posts)
37. Misrepresentation??? You decide....
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:27 PM
Dec 12

Here is the SSRS / CNN poll report:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25452471/cnn-poll-on-trump-transition.pdf

Question 2 is How closely, if at all have you been following news about Donald Trump's presidential transition:

Very Closely 28%
Somewhat closely: 45%
Not too closely: 20%
Not at all closely: 7%

The poll grouped this as (Very + Somewhat) = 73% vs (Not too + Not at all) = 27%.

Dworkin grouped this as (Very) = 28% vs (Somewhat + Not too + Not at all) = 72%.

I would say Dworkin's grouping is misrepresenting the poll's results. 73% of the respondents reported being in the top two categories, while 27% were not really following the transition. That's a complete flip from the way Dworkin characterized.

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,630 posts)
38. Stopped watching them a long time ago except for Bill Maher.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:30 PM
Dec 12

Too many right-wingers Repubs arguing with Dems.

 
41. I stopped watching CNN over a decade ago
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:03 AM
Dec 13

It was crystal clear to me that they are what many of you seem to be just finding out they are.

I can't stand that network.

Oneironaut

(5,911 posts)
46. All the MSM now is going to be North Korea-esque Pro-Trump propaganda.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 12:23 PM
Dec 13

That is, starry-eyed TV personalities with a vacant stare proclaiming Trump to be superhuman in his abilities to affect the blessed, God-ordained MAGA agenda on this nation.

“God, sir! How ever did you transcend humanity? You’re a perfect specimen in every way! Oh my god sir! You’re even better than Jesus!”

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