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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere had better be a Democratic response to the Zelensky meeting
And they had better demand Trump resigns no matter how silly it will sound to Republicans. I'm as sick about this nonsense as anyone. Its time for Democrats to take the position that he can't remain President because he is mentally gone and clearly being controlled by Putin. If they need to refuse to govern until he is gone, then that's what they are going to need to do. This has to end.

GusBob
(7,746 posts)?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,912 posts)
LuvLoogie
(7,840 posts)Keeping his powder dry for the second coming
in2herbs
(3,551 posts)FalloutShelter
(13,104 posts)Should mass up and get to the White House and demand admittance. Bring the press and lots of cameras.
Want to cause a stir? March over there. Gather a crowd on the way. Time to bring it.
senseandsensibility
(21,072 posts)Not collegial. I feel very pessimistic about that to be honest. Not counting on anything.
dalton99a
(86,920 posts)Traildogbob
(10,709 posts)I read about the conversations, Zelenskyy should have reached across the Aisle
and slapped the beard off Vances face for how he spoke to him, exposing that fat little boy face.
What a Fucking disgrace Vance and Trump are. To the world. And where the fuck was President Musk.
Talk about disrespectful Vance, yall could not even have the president speak directly to him, ya had to bring in the two useless clowns that have no power?
usonian
(16,162 posts)
C_U_L8R
(46,436 posts)WTF
LetMyPeopleVote
(159,200 posts)Link to tweet
This is an all-time low for the United States of America...
"Trump and Vance are acting like Putins lapdogs, loudly and obnoxiously barking nonsense at Zelenskyy. Republicans cant remain silent on thisthis is shameful," Congressman Herb Conaway wrote on X.
"Absolute admiration for President Zelenskyy. The guy has balls. He went into the Oval Office and stood up to Russias best negotiators," wrote Congressman Eric Swalwell.
And Trump and Vance did come across as minions of Vladimir Putin during the contentious meeting.
While it started off cordially enough, things rapidly deteriorated as the MAGA duo ganged up on Zelensky to pander to their pro-Russian base.
"Im talking about the kind of diplomacy thats going to end the destruction of your country. I think its disrespectful for you to come to the Oval Office to try to litigate this in front of the American media," chided Vance.
When Zelensky stated that the United States has not yet felt the full impact of the war in Ukraine due to the oceans separating it from the rest of the world, Trump lost his mind
"Dont tell us what were going to feel because youre in no position to dictate what were going to feel, Trump raged. "Were going to feel very good and very strong. Youre right now, not in a very good position."
"You dont have the cards right now. With us, you start having cards," Trump continued. "Youre gambling with the lives of millions of people, youre gambling with World War III and what youre doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country, thats backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have."
Vance lectured Zelenskyy for supposedly not saying "thank you once" to Trump during the meeting.
Displaying superhuman grace in the face of the two man-child Americans, Zelensky replied: "Please, you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war "
"Hes not speaking loudly, your countrys in big trouble," snapped Trump. "Youre not winning this. Youre not winning this. You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us."
"If you didnt have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks," Trump said at another point in his tirade. "Its going to be a very hard thing to do business like this.
"Just say thank you. We know youre wrong," Vance added. The entire time he did nothing but condescend to the Ukrainian leader and suck up to Trump.
"The problem is I've empowered you to be a tough guy," said Trump towards the end of the meeting. "And I don't think you'd be a tough guy without the United States."
"Your people are very brave but, you're either going to make a deal or we're out," he went on. "And if we're out, you'll fight it out I don't think it's going to be pretty but you'll fight it out. But you don't have the cards but once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position."
"But you're not acting at all thankful and that's not a nice thing. I'll be honest, that's not a nice thing. All right, I think we've seen enough, what do you think?" he concluded.
The joint press conference that was scheduled for after was cancelled and Zelensky left the White House without inking the minerals deal that he was there to sign.
After the horrifying meeting, Trump ran to Truth Social to attack Zelensky even more
"We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure," he wrote.
"Its amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I dont want advantage, I want PEACE," he continued.
"He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace," added Trump, who has been increasingly siding with Russia against Ukraine in recent weeks.
This is an utter catastrophe for the United States of America. Trump has betrayed an ally who has been bravely fighting off a brutal invasion for years.
Ukrainians have bled and died to fend off Putin and now Trump is not only stabbing them in the back, he's trying to humiliate their president on the world stage.
It's a sad day to be an American.