I'm really starting to fear TSF will withdraw from

[bluestarone]

NATO. Jesus Christ! (Could he do that on his own?)

[lapfog_1]

1. I am pretty sure he just did

[dem4decades]

32. I hope they did, i wouldn't want NATO to share any intel with us.

[ms liberty]

2. Oh, I pretty much expect it. Or something else, equally or even more outrageous.

This timeline really sucks.

[milestogo]

3. I thought you were going to say you feared TSF would withdraw from

reality.

He's already done that.

[EndlessWire]

4. I heard him clear as a bell

say he supported NATO. Could it be that he said that to lie to Zelenskyy about the security measures needed for the deal?

[Dorothy V]

5. At this rate,

NATO is liable to kick us out!
Wouldn't blame them if they did.

[Dynamic Unicorn]

33. NATO can't afford to kick the US out.

The US is the largest contributor to NATO, and it isn’t by a little bit. 2/3 of NATO expenditure is by the US.

Unfortunately, NATO is completely reliant on the US and would collapse without our support.

[harumph]

38. That is utter bullshit.

[Dynamic Unicorn]

39. In 2024 NATO countries spent approximately 1.5 trillion on defense.

The US was 1 trillion of that. Roughly 2/3.

The simple fact is that European countries have not spent much on defense until recently after Ukraine was invaded, and still lag far behind the US.

It is important that the US remain in NATO and on good terms with our European allies.

[Jacson6]

6. No, NATO is with the other countries by treaty and only the Senate could cancel that.

However, The President can refuse to supply military support which would leave US troops in Europe to die in case of an invasion.


I can't believe I have to write this after being in NATO in Europe 40 years ago.

[Volaris]

14. That still sounds like a pretty damn impeachable offense.

[SheltieLover]

15. Only impeachable if Rs in House & Senate were to grow spines!

[Volaris]

16. I was going to respond and then i decided to use my imagination,

And nope...you're right.

[SheltieLover]

18. I wish I were wrong!

[ShazzieB]

25. EXACTLY.

I don't know what he would have to do to get impeached at this point. It's hard to even imagine what it would take.

[SheltieLover]

27. Dunno

Congrats on winning photo contest, btw!
Oved your entry!

[ShazzieB]

30. OMG, thanks!

I totally missed that post, so you just had the honor of informing me!

[dem4decades]

34. Oh great, impeach Trump and Vance, hello President Johnson.

We are so fucking screwed.

[BBbats]

7. That's practically a done deal!

[Vinca]

8. Me, too. I imagine he'll give the greenlight to Putin to level Ukraine, then Europe will get involved, then

who knows. WWIII? A world war is about the only disaster Trump hasn't caused.

[Emrys]

9. With Trump at the helm, that might be for the best

Any scant credibility he believed he had as an honest broker in negotiations just went up in numerous puffs of smoke.

Tomorrow, Zelensky meets up with representatives from Europe in London. I'm sure the heightened solidarity will spill out of the room, and any remaining illusions about the role of Trump and the US under its current leadership will be gone.

My one regret is that they hadn't lined up Kaja Kallas for a visit to the White House tomorrow. She'd have pinned Trump and Vance's ears back.

Trump can't withdraw on his own, BTW. Biden covered that base, and it has to go through Congress.

As a sidelight: the EU has recently offered Zelensky a strategic minerals deal. I'm sure it would be much fairer than anything Trump might cook up, and would involve assurances about future security.

[bluestarone]

10. Somewhat true i guess. One thing though, with THIS congress who knows

What they would do?

[Emrys]

11. It would be an interesting debate. "Good telly." n/t

[Lancero]

12. Given that he said he wants cuts in the military? He'll try, and like his other moves most people likely...

Won't care enough to protest things.

Even here, with everything that Trump has already done, many people still can't be bothered to support even a one day boycott.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. He will pull out soon

Russia has their eyes on a lot more than just Ukraine and the US will never oppose Russia under Trump. In fact, I can imagine where Russia invades a NATO country and Trump supplies Russia with US inteligence and weapons.

[angrychair]

17. TSF cannot unilaterally pull out of NATO

That isn't how it works. That is a treaty and the NDAA has law written into it to prevent a president from leaving a treaty.
No not possible or realistic.

[bluestarone]

20. Bullshit!

[Efilroft Sul]

22. Take that Kremlin talking point elsewhere.

The former Warsaw Pact countries moved west after knowing what Soviet/Russian tyranny was like. They chose to be European and find strength in numbers. If Russia doesn't want to feel threatened by NATO, it could always choose to act lawful and civilized. But it has not.

[cilla4progress]

26. Plan on it

...

[JustAnotherGen]

28. I hope he does

It will allow the rest of them to go all in on the organization. And the moment we do - Ukraine needs to be allowed in.

At this moment - our involvement is preventing other members from going all in on Russia.

[Susan Calvin]

29. It would just be a formality.

We are on our own, with nothing but Putin for an ally.

[tishaLA]

36. and Kim Jong Un. An d Netanyahu. And bin Salman

Hell, if Idi Amin were still around, we'd hold him in our warm embrace, too.

[Raven123]

31. If he stays in NATO it will be only to block Ukraine from being accepted

[tishaLA]

35. We're a rogue nation

aligning itself with other rogue nations.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. Europe Gears Up for Giant Defense Spending Increase

It looks like Europe is preparing in case trump does pull out of Nato.

Link to tweet

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48021

Europe is on track to launch the most extensive and expensive arms and security increases seen on the continent since World War II, with announcements about sector priorities and cash contribution shares likely to be announced at a security conference scheduled for March 6.

Reports were conflicting on the exact shape of the to-be-announced defense spending package and on Friday officials across the continent told media talks were still ongoing multilaterally among European states, and inside the governments of countries key to that build-up like Britain, France and Germany.

A Thursday article published by the newswire agency Bloomberg said “frantic” talks among European Union defense and security leadership were working to “unleash” hundreds of billions of euros of additional financing for defense.

News reports in Paris, London and Berlin said first details of the arms build-up program would be announced at an emergency EU leaders’ meeting on March 6. A formal continental defense strategy will be announced by European Commission Defense Commissioner Adrius Kubilius and EU Foreign Minister Kaja Kallas on Marth 19.

[ecstatic]

40. he soft withdrew. A lot of the damage is already done

The world order is about to shift.