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demmiblue

(39,218 posts)
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:28 PM Mar 2025

Teen Vogue: Chuck Schumer Is Pushing Young People Away From the Democratic Party With His Toothless Leadership

I walked away from my job as a writer for Senator Chuck Schumer after realizing the cost wasn’t just political fatigue — it was my values and mental health. I spent a year on Capitol Hill in 2019 crafting messages for Senate Democrats. Every day, I wrote essays that trapped me between the progressive principles I held and centrist compromises that felt like betrayals. Eventually, the disconnect between my ideals and the institution I served became impossible to ignore. Leaving my job in the Democratic Party wasn’t just a career move; it was survival.

In many ways, I’m not alone. Since 2019, I’ve watched young people across the country make a similar choice — turning away from a Democratic Party that once promised a “hopey, changey” vision but now feels distant, performative, and unwilling to fight for a future we deserve. Just like I reached my breaking point, many other young voters are reaching theirs, disillusioned by a party that claims to represent us, but increasingly fails to reflect our values or earn our trust on key issues.

While they’ll tell you that they have the support of young people, Democratic leaders like my former boss are increasingly alienating young voters and progressives alike due to ideological rigidity, inadequate policy responses, and a failure to address the evolving socio-political landscape.

Growing up queer and nonbinary in a small, conservative Connecticut town, I only saw one side of politics — American flags on pickup trucks, Republican campaign signs on every lawn, and a deep sense that I didn’t belong. For most of my childhood, Democrats were more of an idea than a presence, but that changed during my senior year of high school when marriage equality was legalized. For the first time, I saw a political party advocating for people like me, and I felt a glimmer of trust — that maybe, Democrats were on our side. And who was marching at the helm of the Pride Parade that year? Senator Chuck Schumer. To be clear, I believe that Schumer has supported the LGBTQ+ community meaningfully, advocating for marriage equality and supporting landmark Supreme Court cases. But over the years, that support has grown increasingly performative — rainbow in appearance but hollow in substance — fading into silence when real action is needed most.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/chuck-schumer-young-people-democratic-party
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Teen Vogue: Chuck Schumer Is Pushing Young People Away From the Democratic Party With His Toothless Leadership (Original Post) demmiblue Mar 2025 OP
Yeah and they running towards a dictatorship.................... Lovie777 Mar 2025 #1
Like the late 60s/early 70s Jilly_in_VA Mar 2025 #2
Unfortunately, they're not. yardwork Mar 2025 #4
Not yet they aren't Jilly_in_VA Mar 2025 #17
That would be nice EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #30
True of 3 of my grandsons Tree Lady Mar 2025 #71
would you consider them to be highly engaged? pstokely Apr 2025 #72
The grand daughter probably goes Tree Lady Apr 2025 #75
No they aren't more liberal. JI7 Mar 2025 #9
Well the rate shithole musk republicans are going............... Lovie777 Mar 2025 #14
Not just young people. Also appeasers and normalisers like Maher, Fetterman, the MSN, etc are the bane of resistance. Celerity Mar 2025 #3
And, their anwser is? bluestarone Mar 2025 #5
Or the Democratic Party should? KPN Mar 2025 #33
Meh. I don't agree with most of this writer's concerns. yardwork Mar 2025 #6
Dem party poll numbers GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #18
Oh I agree that Schumer et al are mealy mouthed and too weak. yardwork Mar 2025 #19
Ok , that explains a lot. But the reality is the person dies not speak for many young people JI7 Mar 2025 #26
I think this kid is probably part of the problem. yardwork Mar 2025 #60
"Dem poll numbers" are low because of people like this. W_HAMILTON Mar 2025 #27
They have a severe case of what I call. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2025 #47
No comparison GoreWon2000 Apr 2025 #78
Unfortunately, many people gravitate towards strength pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #32
So much this LearnedHand Mar 2025 #49
Amy Klobuchar did better than Warren in the Primary JI7 Mar 2025 #55
Elizabeth Warren far outperformed Klobuchar in the 2020 primary pinkstarburst Apr 2025 #74
Are they also upset with their local officials and state senator and Governor ? JI7 Mar 2025 #7
This is a very important statement from the essay LearnedHand Mar 2025 #8
Joe Biden gave all of that but it didn't matter JI7 Mar 2025 #13
Exactly. And that paragraph is not representative of the whole column. yardwork Mar 2025 #21
Not true. The Gaza stuff hurt him badly. He absolutely KPN Mar 2025 #34
Supporting Transgender rights also hurt him JI7 Mar 2025 #39
Sure, but this is written for people who live and breathe politics. LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #25
THIS! Bettie Mar 2025 #44
My early 30s kids believe SS will not be there for them. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2025 #10
Most young people aren't thinking about social security. And many young men are anti feminist JI7 Mar 2025 #11
No doubt, my example is a small sample size but Prairie_Seagull Mar 2025 #15
Democrats have always supported social security. It's Republicans that arr a threat to it JI7 Mar 2025 #16
My 3 thirty-somethings are ... and they mention KPN Mar 2025 #35
Then maybe they should vote for people who support Social Security SharonClark Apr 2025 #76
We need bold leaders and a sweeping vision. yardwork Mar 2025 #22
I'm 58 and I doubt that it will be there Bettie Mar 2025 #45
They are out of touch. lees1975 Mar 2025 #12
Teen Vogue ... that's all I needed to read. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #20
This UTUSN Mar 2025 #50
The Blame Game after any lost elevation is an American ritual. Ping Tung Mar 2025 #23
I doubt young people are paying that much attnetion to Schumer, if they even know who he is. The problem isn't Schumer LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #24
Schumer just came out with his book on AntiSemitism True Blue American Mar 2025 #28
This sentence describes the past 43-odd years of my life. OldBaldy1701E Mar 2025 #29
THIS. Ditto here frankly. KPN Mar 2025 #36
Ditto x 2 LearnedHand Mar 2025 #54
I'm shocked that "peering wearily over one's glasses" doesn't connect with today's youth Orrex Mar 2025 #31
Hell - they're HALF-GLASSES... dchill Mar 2025 #37
I don't think it's just Schumer SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #38
a 2021 example Celerity Mar 2025 #51
it's old politics vs new azureblue Mar 2025 #40
... With His Toothless Leadership. republianmushroom Mar 2025 #41
He's gotta go. Give him some title and show him to a side office. calimary Mar 2025 #42
Hell Jilly_in_VA Mar 2025 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrickforB Mar 2025 #46
These people sound ignorant . I don't think they have interest in real progressive change JI7 Mar 2025 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrickforB Mar 2025 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrickforB Mar 2025 #65
The youth aren't participating at the grassroots; it's not cool or trendy Comrade Citizen Mar 2025 #48
I live in a funky older first ring suburb GenThePerservering Mar 2025 #57
hopey, changey?? stillcool Mar 2025 #53
Sounds more like the type that just vies in Presidential elections JI7 Mar 2025 #56
That really bugs me. Hopey, changey? What in the hell were people like this projecting onto Obama? betsuni Mar 2025 #59
it is impossibly frustrating stillcool Mar 2025 #69
That's the phrase Sarah Palin mocked Obama with. yardwork Mar 2025 #61
ah...no wonder stillcool Mar 2025 #70
Our entire party focus should be Transgender rights and anti-Israel. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2025 #58
And the reality is most of the anti Israel crowd opposes lgbt rights JI7 Mar 2025 #66
Yes. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2025 #67
I'm calling bullshit on these claims of yrs Violet_Crumble Mar 2025 #68
Away to what? Meowmee Mar 2025 #62
Another episode of Everything's About ME! betsuni Mar 2025 #64
I lulz'd Nixie Apr 2025 #73
Schumer has alienated everyone. WorkingClassMan Apr 2025 #77

Jilly_in_VA

(13,800 posts)
2. Like the late 60s/early 70s
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:32 PM
Mar 2025

this generation will be more liberal/radical than their parents, I suspect. Certainly if my grandkids are any indication they will!

Jilly_in_VA

(13,800 posts)
17. Not yet they aren't
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:20 PM
Mar 2025

They will be. A lot of the young men weren't earlier in the 60s either (some of you aren't old enough to remember that far back, but those of you who are will remember YAF and "Barry's Boys&quot . Wait until these guys find out there aren't any jobs for them. Think they'll like it? And the young women most certainly are, especially young women of color. They can see which way the pendulum is swinging.

EdmondDantes_

(1,349 posts)
30. That would be nice
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:12 PM
Mar 2025

But the manosphere is much more present in the lives of young men than anything in the past due to the internet. I'm into fitness and I had to work really hard to train the social media algorithm to not show me Andrew Tate garbage. And that was without following any of them and following lots of inclusive fitness people. These guys aren't taking the lack of jobs or women willing to date them as a sign they need to change. So far they seem to be reinforcing that it's the fault of immigrants and women.

Tree Lady

(13,005 posts)
71. True of 3 of my grandsons
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 10:16 PM
Mar 2025

They are liberal socially, conservative economically, whatever that means.

Two were voting age, one is in 11th grade. The 18yr old voted for Harris in Texas and the 27 yr old didn't vote but at least he was in CA so not a big deal.

My granddaughter is the only liberal but she is close to her union dad, voted Harris in CA, she is 25.

Tree Lady

(13,005 posts)
75. The grand daughter probably goes
Tue Apr 1, 2025, 05:33 PM
Apr 2025

by what her dad says, no news. Grandsons the younger one in high school just listens to parents, older one who voted pays attention online, where I don't know.

Lovie777

(21,730 posts)
14. Well the rate shithole musk republicans are going...............
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:44 PM
Mar 2025

bullying most of the countries, the draft may be put in place to cover all the hot spots re battles.

Celerity

(53,658 posts)
3. Not just young people. Also appeasers and normalisers like Maher, Fetterman, the MSN, etc are the bane of resistance.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:33 PM
Mar 2025

bluestarone

(21,141 posts)
5. And, their anwser is?
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:36 PM
Mar 2025

They better wake up and smell the coffee. Get us the House and Senate, THEN we can stop these TRAITORS!!

KPN

(17,141 posts)
33. Or the Democratic Party should?
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:19 PM
Mar 2025

This didn’t just start with Schumer or the 2024 election loss.

Started long ago. Meanwhile, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. And here we are today.

I get your point and have adhered — albeit sometimes reluctantly — to that voting principle myself over the years. But I really do have to ask myself today — and others — who is it that needs to wake up?

yardwork

(68,966 posts)
6. Meh. I don't agree with most of this writer's concerns.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:36 PM
Mar 2025

I'm frustrated by Schumer and Jeffries, but not for the reasons in the column at the link.

The purity tests (you must cal it genocide or you're a murderer!!!) don't do us any good at all.

 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
18. Dem party poll numbers
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:28 PM
Mar 2025

being lower than tRump and Musk's poll numbers numbers show that this "Teen Vogue" article is spot on. . People don't favor cowards. The grassroots better understands what's at stake here.

yardwork

(68,966 posts)
19. Oh I agree that Schumer et al are mealy mouthed and too weak.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:31 PM
Mar 2025

But when I read the column itself it turns out it was all about not speaking out enough against Israel and not doing enough for trans rights.

There's a LOT more than that to be done. We must speak out in support of everybody's rights. We can't stay in a tiny pure bubble. It's got to be much, much more bold than that.

JI7

(93,197 posts)
26. Ok , that explains a lot. But the reality is the person dies not speak for many young people
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:48 PM
Mar 2025

especially the men who are opposed to transgender rights. And the anti Israel crowd is also very much opposed to transgender rights unlike a Chuck Schumer who does support it.

yardwork

(68,966 posts)
60. I think this kid is probably part of the problem.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:42 PM
Mar 2025

They were one of Schumer's speechwriters, and literally all they seem to care about is Palestine and trans rights. Where's the rest of our priorities?

We've got older folks who are out of touch, and when they hire younger folks they get the narrow- minded purity police. No wonder we lost!

W_HAMILTON

(10,057 posts)
27. "Dem poll numbers" are low because of people like this.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:54 PM
Mar 2025

Spoiler alert: they are the types where nothing is good enough for them.

They admire """fighting""" and constantly losing over achievable gains -- one might call it, I don't know, progress...?

Not as many likes and subscribes from accomplishing what you can, but there are lots waiting for those that demand all or nothing and then blame others -- frequently Democrats -- when they get nothing.

DinahMoeHum

(23,358 posts)
47. They have a severe case of what I call. . .
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 03:37 PM
Mar 2025

. . .the Nothing But The Best For The Oppressed syndrome.

 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
78. No comparison
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:44 PM
Apr 2025

between how McConnell was able to successfully block President Obama's agenda with the same power deficit that Schumer is now dealing with compared to Schumer caving to tRump/Musk radical attack on our government and constitution.

pinkstarburst

(1,874 posts)
32. Unfortunately, many people gravitate towards strength
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:15 PM
Mar 2025

Trump and his evil minions are horrible. They are leading us in a terrible, evil direction, but they are doing it from a strong man position.

Schumer and Jeffries are projecting weakness. Cowardice. Inability and unwillingness to lead. It's not a purity test so much as the country is sick with worry and desperation and is looking for hope and leadership and strength and these two come up with what? Let's vote with Trump's guys, wear pink, and hold up some paddles.

We need to get rid of them as soon as possible and put some fighters in charge of the House and the Senate. We are going to start hemorrhaging voters from the left off to independent parties, to Bernie type figures who WILL stand up and fight and get loud. The true democratic voices who want to resist are not going to stand behind a Gavin Newsom type and if he is the nominee, they are not going to vote for him. We need to get Schumer and Jeffries out of there before they do further damage. I would love to see Elizabeth Warren in charge of the senate. We've got lots of good choices for the House.

JI7

(93,197 posts)
55. Amy Klobuchar did better than Warren in the Primary
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:24 PM
Mar 2025

so maybe it should be her.

Bernie has been in office for decades. What changes has he made ? His own state has a Republican governor.

Maybe Pete Buttigieg who is young and actually did better than expected.

pinkstarburst

(1,874 posts)
74. Elizabeth Warren far outperformed Klobuchar in the 2020 primary
Tue Apr 1, 2025, 08:46 AM
Apr 2025

Warren had 75 pledged delegates.
Klobuchar had 7.

Warren got 2,832,060 votes.
Klobuchar got 540,064.

JI7

(93,197 posts)
7. Are they also upset with their local officials and state senator and Governor ?
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:37 PM
Mar 2025

How do they feel about people running for city council ?

LearnedHand

(5,240 posts)
8. This is a very important statement from the essay
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:39 PM
Mar 2025

And something the party could learn from:

To be clear, we’re not asking for perfection — we’re demanding urgency, empathy, and courage. Instead, we’re met with compromises on core values, as if basic rights are up for negotiation. For a generation facing existential crises, that’s not leadership — it’s alienation.

yardwork

(68,966 posts)
21. Exactly. And that paragraph is not representative of the whole column.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:32 PM
Mar 2025

That paragraph got tossed in at the last minute, I suspect.

KPN

(17,141 posts)
34. Not true. The Gaza stuff hurt him badly. He absolutely
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:21 PM
Mar 2025

did not do enough on that.

LymphocyteLover

(9,355 posts)
25. Sure, but this is written for people who live and breathe politics.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:47 PM
Mar 2025

most people are hardly aware of Schumer. Most people just aren't paying attention to politics, especially average young people.

Bettie

(19,267 posts)
44. THIS!
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 03:16 PM
Mar 2025

This paragraph states it all so clearly.

If our party has no core values (or won't defend or even acknowledge those values) then what's the point?

Republicans have core values. They are twisted and mostly come down to hate for people who aren't white, male, and Christian, but boy howdy they never deviate from their complete devotion to those values. They never compromise on any of it.

Our party's values are not ugly, not hateful, but it seems a whole lot of our elected officials really don't like talking about or defending them. Instead, they shift away from them, tacitly suggesting that, for example, women's rights aren't all THAT important.

They are agreeing with the bully who pulls down their pants, steals their lunch money, and then beats them up after school, because they think, somehow, he will eventually befriend them.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,595 posts)
10. My early 30s kids believe SS will not be there for them.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:39 PM
Mar 2025

The point needs to be made that in fact SS will be there for them and that the democrats are going to ensure that it is. Then take the bow. Show youth which party has their best interests at heart.

How many other young people are thinking exactly the same thing.

An understandably monumental but simple thing.

IMO

JI7

(93,197 posts)
11. Most young people aren't thinking about social security. And many young men are anti feminist
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:42 PM
Mar 2025

Prairie_Seagull

(4,595 posts)
15. No doubt, my example is a small sample size but
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:52 PM
Mar 2025

It does include their friends. Both are teachers so not an insignificant group.

JI7

(93,197 posts)
16. Democrats have always supported social security. It's Republicans that arr a threat to it
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:55 PM
Mar 2025

All the evidence is there going back decades to show this.

KPN

(17,141 posts)
35. My 3 thirty-somethings are ... and they mention
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:23 PM
Mar 2025

it to me frequently. They clearly are are aware and think about SS and the likelihood it eont exist for them.

Bettie

(19,267 posts)
45. I'm 58 and I doubt that it will be there
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 03:17 PM
Mar 2025

for my DH (4 years older than me) and me.

My kids are planning for us to have to live with them in our later years, since they have zero belief that there will be a social safety net at all after Musk is done with the country.

lees1975

(6,901 posts)
12. They are out of touch.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:42 PM
Mar 2025

I finally got a long response from Senator Durbin, to my letter requesting that he not vote for cloture, and force the Republicans to either do something about the possibility of government shutting down, or let it shut down. It was the same self-justification response we got from Schumer, don't rock the boat, this bad thing is better than that bad thing, and so on.

The Democrats do not have the majority in either house, so the government shutting down, based on a bill not one single Democrat had helped to write, would have all been Congress and Trump's fault. Bold action, Mr. Durbin. You were also opposed to those who wanted to break the filibuster to pack the court when we had the majority and could have done it. We would not be in this mess now if that had been done.

Ping Tung

(4,138 posts)
23. The Blame Game after any lost elevation is an American ritual.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:39 PM
Mar 2025
"Getting into politics is like stepping into dog shit." Che Guevara

LymphocyteLover

(9,355 posts)
24. I doubt young people are paying that much attnetion to Schumer, if they even know who he is. The problem isn't Schumer
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:45 PM
Mar 2025

as a massive rightwing social media presence and constant rightwing BS propaganda.

On the bright side people like AOC are drawing in younger people.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
28. Schumer just came out with his book on AntiSemitism
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:59 PM
Mar 2025

While Palestenians are dying by the thousands, their lands being taken away.

Before you get angry at me my late Husband was one of the GI’s that helped liberate the Concentration Camps and he would agree with me. Under Netanyahu the victims have become the killers.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,170 posts)
29. This sentence describes the past 43-odd years of my life.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:03 PM
Mar 2025
Every day, I wrote essays that trapped me between the progressive principles I held and centrist compromises that felt like betrayals.


If you remove the part that says 'I wrote essays', you get where I have been my entire life. I am one of those people who are always 'too progressive, too liberal, too socialist-minded, too this and too that...

But, we have tried everything else and look where we are. Maybe start listening to the more... progressive... voices for a change? And, stop worrying about how much it will cost? (Which, unfortunately, will never happen.)

LearnedHand

(5,240 posts)
54. Ditto x 2
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:23 PM
Mar 2025

Me too, and the neoliberal policies the Dems have espoused since Clinton (and maybe earlier) have made it very hard to believe the party actually supports FDR-like big changes that lift up everyone.

Orrex

(66,671 posts)
31. I'm shocked that "peering wearily over one's glasses" doesn't connect with today's youth
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:12 PM
Mar 2025

SocialDemocrat61

(6,800 posts)
38. I don't think it's just Schumer
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:38 PM
Mar 2025

While there are great progressive democrats in Congress like Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Jasmine Crockett, etc, they’ve been undermined by moderates like Joe Manchin, Kristen Scinema, Abigail Spanberger and others.

Celerity

(53,658 posts)
51. a 2021 example
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:13 PM
Mar 2025
The Democrats who want to destroy the Biden presidency

The "Suicide Squad" is taking the party agenda hostage to get tax cuts for the rich

https://theweek.com/politics/1004024/the-democratic-suicide-squad-that-wants-to-destroy-bidens-presidency

President Biden's domestic policy legacy looks likely to be determined largely by two bills that are before Congress. The pandemic rescue package passed back in March was significant, but most of that has already expired or will do so soon. Meanwhile, a $566 billion bipartisan infrastructure bill has passed the Senate and is before the House, and more importantly, a $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill is working its way through the Senate. If passed, these two bills would give Biden the most significant record of domestic accomplishment since Lyndon Johnson. Yet a small handful of conservative Democrats ( who have been dubbed the "Suicide Squad" ) appear bound and determined to blow up Biden's presidency. They threaten that if the House does not immediately pass the bipartisan bill, they will vote against the reconciliation bill — with the clear intention of radically scaling it back, if not tanking it altogether. It's a wildly irresponsible betrayal of their own party and president.

Remember, the reason Biden, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, and the rest of the party leadership have settled on a "two-track" strategy of getting both the infrastructure bill and reconciliation through the Senate before passing either through the House is the party's tiny margin of control — just three seats in the House and none in the Senate — and distrust between the party's left and right wings. In particular, progressives understandably fear that if conservative Democrats get what they want in the bipartisan infrastructure bill, they will refuse to pass the best parts of the reconciliation proposal (which includes sizable health-care reforms, welfare state expansions, climate policy, and other goodies). Hence it is best to iron out all the compromises between the various factions in one big pot of legislation, and then pass it all at the same time, so as to minimize the risk of defections. Led by Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, the Suicide Squad presented an argument for their position in a short op-ed at The Washington Post, which bears close examination. They say the reason the infrastructure bill must pass immediately is because America simply can't wait a single moment longer to start repairs, and that it's illegitimate to hold the bill hostage:

Across this country, far too many communities are struggling with crumbling roads and structurally unsound bridges, outrageous congestion, lead-coated pipes and no broadband access. You don't hold up a major priority of the country, and millions of jobs, as some form of leverage. The infrastructure bill is not a political football. [The Washington Post]


The point about time is completely preposterous. State and local governments are already in decent shape in terms of funding for urgent infrastructure repairs and upgrades, thanks to the American Rescue Plan in March which allocated $350 billion to them in part for this purpose. Even if there was a dire need to spend, infrastructure notoriously takes forever to get going — you've got to pick projects, draw up plans, do environmental impact studies, and on and on. As Jeff Stein and Michael Laris write at the Post, just $20 billion of the $566 billion in the plan is estimated to be allocated before the end of the 2022 fiscal year, and fully three-quarters after the 2024 election. There is absolutely no reason why this can't wait a couple more months, and even making this argument is evidence of bad faith motives. The squalling about holding infrastructure "hostage," meanwhile, is truly Trumpian hypocrisy. The Suicide Squad are explicitly doing exactly that in the opposite direction. They are taking reconciliation hostage as a form of leverage. They are using Biden's most ambitious proposals — which are far more important than the bipartisan bill — as a political football.

Russell Berman at The Atlantic actually pointed this out to Gottheimer in a recent interview: "Aren't you doing the same thing? Aren't you holding a hostage yourself in return by holding up the budget resolution and saying you're not going to vote for that until the infrastructure bill passes?" Gottheimer could muster nothing but inept dissembling in response. "No, not at all, because they've announced for months that they're not going to bring infrastructure to the floor. For months, many of my colleagues have said they won't vote for the infrastructure package if they don't get what they want in the reconciliation package," Gottheimer replied. "I've literally said to my colleagues, 'Let's vote on the infrastructure bill, and then, like, 15 minutes later we can start debate on the budget resolution and vote on it the next day.'" So the progressives are despicable hostage-takers because they won't vote on infrastructure before they get what they want, but Gottheimer is not because he'll vote on reconciliation after he gets what he wants. Makes perfect sense: If they just ransom the hostage, he will no longer have a hostage.

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azureblue

(2,663 posts)
40. it's old politics vs new
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:48 PM
Mar 2025

Reagan started the rot of the GOP. Before Bush came along, US politics was a matter of comity, and cooperation, for the sake of the America people.

Trump changed that into a battle of win at any cost. Chuck comes from the former, and he isn't changing his ways, so Trump and the rotten GOP just roll right over him. And the Dems look spineless, at best.

AOC and her crew are way more confrontational and willing to call out lies and BS face to face. This is what young voters want. They see they have no future, because GOP policies made it that way. They see the Dem old guard stifling AOC and the younger voices in Congress, and they do not like it at all.They are struggling to pay rent, and buying a house is little more than a dream. They know they are being underpaid. They know why health care is a mess. And all they see from Chuck's crew is stern words. Chuck needs to adapt NOW, or step out of the way.

calimary

(89,034 posts)
42. He's gotta go. Give him some title and show him to a side office.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:51 PM
Mar 2025

One with a big-sounding title and little else. But something that gets him OUT OF THE WAY.

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JI7

(93,197 posts)
52. These people sound ignorant . I don't think they have interest in real progressive change
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:17 PM
Mar 2025

ss Biden DID actually do many things and tried to do more which REPUBLICANS blocked.

You say they have good paying jobs in the financial industry. Based in their actions they are happy with how things are and like play the angry betrayed progressive.

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Comrade Citizen

(344 posts)
48. The youth aren't participating at the grassroots; it's not cool or trendy
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 04:35 PM
Mar 2025

I don't see anyone under 30 volunteering at the local Community Action Agency founded by LBJ's Great Society, or participating in local mutual aid groups; and we reach out to the community with events and messaging.

The youth have to start buying from employee owned businesses and co-ops or at least unionized employers. Make the extra effort to visit a unionized Starbucks or shop Brookshire Bros grocery with 7000 employee owners. Simple concrete actions to actually make a difference locally.

GenThePerservering

(3,146 posts)
57. I live in a funky older first ring suburb
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:31 PM
Mar 2025

and many youth here are very active and engaged on a local level. They feel like they'll have no influence in Washington, but they can see the effects on their work locally, and that's not only where it starts, but something they can grasp.

I think adults forget how big and somewhat overwhelming the world can be to youth - they break it down into sureities - I have not forgotten, however.

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
53. hopey, changey??
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:21 PM
Mar 2025

you would think someone in that position would have a better idea of what Democrats are up against. Shame that they've come away with so little. Wonder how they feel about their state government, or if they even care

JI7

(93,197 posts)
56. Sounds more like the type that just vies in Presidential elections
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:28 PM
Mar 2025

That's why I always ask people about local and state reps and elections and usually get no response.

betsuni

(28,702 posts)
59. That really bugs me. Hopey, changey? What in the hell were people like this projecting onto Obama?
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:40 PM
Mar 2025

What promises did they imagine he made? Thinking... no, wait, FEELING... a president can do everything if they have just the right character, up to this one personality, nothing to do with Congress or actual politics.

People don't know what politics is.

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
69. it is impossibly frustrating
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 09:16 PM
Mar 2025

but to read something written by someone who supposedly worked for a Senator is sad. The truth, some facts, would be so refreshing. I feel like I'm losing brain cells by reading some of this crap.

yardwork

(68,966 posts)
61. That's the phrase Sarah Palin mocked Obama with.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:44 PM
Mar 2025

She lost. Obama won a second term. Why is this kid using a derogatory term for our 2012 victory?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,854 posts)
58. Our entire party focus should be Transgender rights and anti-Israel.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:34 PM
Mar 2025

Because surely, those are the things that’ll bring people out in droves.

Violet_Crumble

(36,379 posts)
68. I'm calling bullshit on these claims of yrs
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 07:50 PM
Mar 2025

Yr floating round this thread telling everyone how young people think, and what they support (always regressive things). You aren't a young person, so how about you provide some evidence to back up your claims?

Also, what is 'anti-israel'? Does it mean any criticism of Israel makes someone anti-israel? It's just that I've never seen you make any criticism of Israel, so I want to make sure what you mean by that term.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
62. Away to what?
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 05:56 PM
Mar 2025

A dictator who murdered over 1 million. Here we go again, same bs that helped him get into power.

betsuni

(28,702 posts)
64. Another episode of Everything's About ME!
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 06:36 PM
Mar 2025

Ironic that these types accuse Democrats of talking down to people when they're the ones scolding, purity testing, threatening and using that annoying Progressive vs Centrist/Establishment jargon-insult language.

 

WorkingClassMan

(28 posts)
77. Schumer has alienated everyone.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:49 AM
Apr 2025

From independents to staunch Democrats, Schumer has not won over anybody with his schmoozing to Trump.

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