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Botany

(73,793 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:18 AM Apr 3

Trump doesn't think of ways to burn America to the ground (Tariffs) but is being told* .....

… what to do in order to have a fascist take over, cause a financial crisis as an excuse to make crypto the new American currency, kill and or sicken 100s of thousands of Americans by gutting our science driven medical systems, and then letting the super rich come in a buy up our nation’s resources and wealth for pennies on the dollar.


* Putin
Musk
China & Saudi Arabia (The Steele Dossier was right … Trump is in major debt to foreign countries and
criminal organizations)
The Fossil Fuel Industries
The crypto/high tech boys
Right wing think tanks and media working for the super rich
And somehow the least Christian person in the world is using the Christo Fascist Evangelicals in
this scheme.

Everything is falling into place to allow this to happen including dirty elections
and the suspension of the rule of law which not only allowed Trump to walk
away from all his crimes but releasing the J-6th shits and expunging the records of
> 100,000 ex cops who were fired and together they can be Trump’s head busters in
this coup. Botany =

The Russians (GRU) were right when they named him Krasnov because clear back in 1987
they knew he was a traitor and for sale.

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Trump doesn't think of ways to burn America to the ground (Tariffs) but is being told* ..... (Original Post) Botany Apr 3 OP
I think Trump is in charge of the petty, mean, revenge tactics. Irish_Dem Apr 3 #1
Stephen Miller is also in on it. gab13by13 Apr 3 #3
Yes other sadistic psychopaths are helping. Irish_Dem Apr 3 #4
People power will crush these fools Blues Heron Apr 3 #2
Especially "Stupid" Seinan Sensei Apr 3 #16
Yeah Botany, you get it gab13by13 Apr 3 #5
Krasnov said: 'what good are nuclear weapons if you don't use them?' War is just one of the ways wiggs Apr 3 #8
Like GWBush got his 9-11 RazorbackExpat Apr 3 #14
This all started back in 1933 with "the businessmen plot" LiberalArkie Apr 3 #17
K&R! William769 Apr 3 #6
Don't forget the majority of Republican officials that are aiding and abetting all of this. chowder66 Apr 3 #7
The Republicans have been well aware of Trump's criminality and corruption for years. Botany Apr 3 #12
Absolutely. I just wish the media would consistently lump everyone in with Trump. chowder66 Apr 3 #18
This should be the assumption: The worst case scenario. Lessons from the last ten years have given us more than wiggs Apr 3 #9
Agent of Putin Kid Berwyn Apr 3 #10
Agreed. Make you a poster and join protests this Saturday oldmanlynn Apr 3 #11
A agree that their real game is a coup. But their supporters really do support burning the federal government down to Martin68 Apr 3 #13
He's taking us back to the 1890's - 1920's. lark Apr 3 #15
Despite Krasnov's obvious intellectual short comings he is well aware that his tariffs are toxic. Botany Apr 3 #19
IMHO. To people like him, causing suffering or getting away with crimes is winning...evidence of power. Pulling wiggs Apr 3 #21
If I ever hear about our "liberal media" again it will be too soon. Botany Apr 3 #23
he has learned to write in cursive et tu Apr 3 #20
Crypto is down too lame54 Apr 3 #22
putler has played a very long game. remember- a great deal of nra money comes from putin. mopinko Apr 4 #24
Russia is using right wing web sites many of which purport the meme that they want to make sure "both Botany Apr 4 #25
yeah, anti-vax and anti-gmo was the opening mopinko Apr 4 #27
I have an old and dear friend that has fallen for Russian Propaganda (storm-15 16). The sites he reads are Botany Apr 4 #30
The Heritage Foundation. The headquarters of the Christian Taliban. nt Hotler Apr 4 #26
The only way this doesn't collapse the economy Johnny2X2X Apr 4 #28
I have to think that Trump is knowingly tanking the economy for malevolent purposes. Botany Apr 4 #29

Irish_Dem

(67,787 posts)
4. Yes other sadistic psychopaths are helping.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:34 AM
Apr 3

Greatest congregation of psychopath leaders and advisors in American history.

Blues Heron

(6,733 posts)
2. People power will crush these fools
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:23 AM
Apr 3

the protests are working, Elon is feeling the pain. Keep up the pressure! We will win. These losers are too stupid and weird to succeed in the long run.

gab13by13

(27,567 posts)
5. Yeah Botany, you get it
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:39 AM
Apr 3

The stuff you posted doesn't need a link to prove it (as some here request) it's Occam's Razor.

Then we have those who have told me that I am being overly dramatic and overly fearful. I'm not afraid, I'm angry. I was told that passing the CR would protect Social Security, how is that working out?

Let's add in all the military build up that Krasnov is doing in the Middle East. Are Krasnov and Bibi getting ready to attack Iran? Putin is pals with Krasnov and is allied with Iran, but who is Krasnov going to listen to, Putin or Bibi.

A war with Iran would be just what Krasnov needs, a huge distraction.

wiggs

(8,189 posts)
8. Krasnov said: 'what good are nuclear weapons if you don't use them?' War is just one of the ways
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:21 AM
Apr 3

TSF may avoid having the next midterms and the elections after that.

RazorbackExpat

(460 posts)
14. Like GWBush got his 9-11
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:45 AM
Apr 3

when he was sinking in the polls?

Bush had his Project for a New American Century, signed by his dumbass brother, which called for a "new Pearl Harbor", which landed right in his lap while he sat on his ass listening to 2nd graders read a story about a goat. What does Trump have up his sleeve?

LiberalArkie

(17,891 posts)
17. This all started back in 1933 with "the businessmen plot"
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:17 AM
Apr 3

Then Nixon, Reagan, A little Bill Clinton and on to Bush "the lesser" and a lot of people in the parties just "Conspiracy Theory" to just bush off any warnings being issued. Because in the end they see only the 1% or .5% are the worthy ones everyone under them can be just flushed.

The ones with 10 million or more in assets are just really a good meal to them. Serfs at the bottom are just serfs anyway. I remember when Sanders was accused of being "Classist" by Democratic leaders of the time.

Well?

chowder66

(10,377 posts)
7. Don't forget the majority of Republican officials that are aiding and abetting all of this.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:15 AM
Apr 3

I'm sure plenty of them are involved in drumming some of this up as well.

Botany

(73,793 posts)
12. The Republicans have been well aware of Trump's criminality and corruption for years.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:38 AM
Apr 3
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-mccarthy-russia-trump

Once again we have a crime boss as President who actively is working for the #1 Godfather in the
world Vlad Putin. I feel like I’m going crazy.

chowder66

(10,377 posts)
18. Absolutely. I just wish the media would consistently lump everyone in with Trump.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:26 AM
Apr 3

When they report "Trump" or "The Administration" and leave out the Republicans, the Heritage Foundation, Musk, Thiel, Big Corp, etc I feel like the audience will forget about all those that have enabled this.

wiggs

(8,189 posts)
9. This should be the assumption: The worst case scenario. Lessons from the last ten years have given us more than
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:25 AM
Apr 3

enough reason to assume the worst as a starting point, and to stop giving him or his controllers the benefit of the doubt. His motives are certainly not in the best interest of the US and this must be stated before any analysis of his actions.

oldmanlynn

(637 posts)
11. Agreed. Make you a poster and join protests this Saturday
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:28 AM
Apr 3

This is our first big protest. We need to have millions of Americans protesting

Martin68

(25,381 posts)
13. A agree that their real game is a coup. But their supporters really do support burning the federal government down to
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:43 AM
Apr 3

the ground (not the country). Obviously, they don't grasp that the country is the federal government, for all intents and purposes.

lark

(24,852 posts)
15. He's taking us back to the 1890's - 1920's.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:01 AM
Apr 3

Income disparity was off the charts, and tarriffs caused the Great Depression when regular people couldn't afford to buy food because the rich put through all the costs onto the goods that folks needed. That's what he's trying to emulate - talking about the high flying days for the rich but lying about how it killed the middle class at the time. Putin definitely told him to do this. Question is if he lied or told the truth and if tsf really knows or is just a lying traitorous fool?

Botany

(73,793 posts)
19. Despite Krasnov's obvious intellectual short comings he is well aware that his tariffs are toxic.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:34 AM
Apr 3

From last night … I haven’t looked @ today’s market.

US stocks plummet in after-hours trading as experts warn Americans could see higher costs –
as it happened.

Although Donald Trump announced his tariffs shortly after trading ended on Wall Street, US stocks have already plummeted in after-hours trading.

Dow futures have fallen more than 950 points, or 2.32%. S&P 500 futures dropped 3.40%, and Nasdaq 100 futures sank 4.22%.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/apr/02/donald-trump-tariffs-trade-latest-live-us-politics-news?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with%3Ablock-67edb9228f0800d4cb06c4c9#block-67edb9228f0800d4cb06c4c9



wiggs

(8,189 posts)
21. IMHO. To people like him, causing suffering or getting away with crimes is winning...evidence of power. Pulling
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:54 PM
Apr 3

wings off a butterfly. Rape. Gutting safety nets just because he can. Increasing poverty. Lying every other minute and still getting elected. Stiffing contractors. Defrauding students. Punishing schools for having a democratic governor. Getting law firms to cave because the weight of the federal govt is behind him.

Like crack on the brain.

the list is long and the case is easy to make... yet MSM cares about the misbehavior of the moment instead of the pattern.

Botany

(73,793 posts)
23. If I ever hear about our "liberal media" again it will be too soon.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:35 PM
Apr 3

Before and up to the elections we heard non stop crap about Bidenomics and inflation
however since we had the lowest post COVID inflation rate in the world “they” kept talking
about the price of eggs because those prices were going up and would continue to go
up because America was down over 120 million chickens because of Avian Influenza. It
wasn’t until after the election that we really heard about egg prices going up because of
Avian Influenza. Just like 2014 when we heard about Ebola 24/7 but after the election we
never heard about it again or did we hear about that President Obama and Dr. Fauci’s creation
of a global pandemic task force to stop or weaken future pandemics.

et tu

(2,133 posts)
20. he has learned to write in cursive
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:34 AM
Apr 3

and is so anxious to show the world
how 'big and beautiful' his signature
is- he dazzles himself

mopinko

(72,215 posts)
24. putler has played a very long game. remember- a great deal of nra money comes from putin.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 08:13 AM
Apr 4

it doesnt seem to have broken through that putler has all these thugs in his pockets via bribes, and honeypots, through the nra.
i wonder who they’re using now that the nra is on the rocks.

Botany

(73,793 posts)
25. Russia is using right wing web sites many of which purport the meme that they want to make sure "both
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 09:21 AM
Apr 4

sides” of the issues are covered, funneling money to influencers, Fox News, people like Wisconsin’s
Ron Johnson, and now the whole Trump White House and administration. A.G. Pam Bondi has shut
down any D o J investigations into foreign interference into America and the head of our intelligence
Tulsi Gabbard, is all but an active collaborator with Russia.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia is using our Christian Evangelicals to stir up shit. Russia is also
behind the anti vaccine and misinformation about C-19, measles, and so on.

In short Russia is conducting a war on America and the GOP is helping them.

mopinko

(72,215 posts)
27. yeah, anti-vax and anti-gmo was the opening
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:19 AM
Apr 4

for a lot of putler’s early influence.
dont remember the website, but it was banned here back in the day when we had a list. iirc, ranger something? a guy named adam? he was always pimping that ‘study’ where they ‘proved’ gmo’s caused tumors w mice engineered to develop tumors.
i think he was selling some snake oil, but i recall him having way too much money for just that biz.

Botany

(73,793 posts)
30. I have an old and dear friend that has fallen for Russian Propaganda (storm-15 16). The sites he reads are
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 06:21 PM
Apr 4

… loaded with “non problems” but through algorithms and it used to be the Russians used to be
able to read his key strokes and made sure to keep him in the loop of made up stuff to keep him
upset @ non problems and they have been stringing him along for years with “studies” about how
men especially white men are the victims of some kind of conspiracy. When he shared one of the
studies it had zero scientific correlations and was very short on real time and place information and
the think tank or organization was called The Hetrodox Institute (I think that was it) and was funded by
and backed by the Mercers.*

* https://www.dw.com/en/who-are-the-mercers-the-wealthy-backers-of-breitbart/a-42100407

Johnny2X2X

(22,715 posts)
28. The only way this doesn't collapse the economy
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:26 AM
Apr 4

Is if daily, Trump announces "new" deals with different countries and uses that as a mechanism to take credit for the gains in the markets those days.

But since they let Chat GPT decide the tariffs, I'm not expecting anything less than a total collapse.

Botany

(73,793 posts)
29. I have to think that Trump is knowingly tanking the economy for malevolent purposes.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:49 AM
Apr 4

Mark Zandi, "If these tariffs are implemented there will be a recession not only in America but world wide."
(rough quote)

Zandi is an old school (most likely a republican) economist for Moody’s Analytics.

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