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applegrove

(130,070 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 10:06 PM Apr 2025

Ok what's going on here? Yields are going up which means bond prices are going down. Fewer buyers of the world's

Ok what’s going on here?

Yields are going up which means bond prices are going down.
Fewer buyers of the world’s safest asset.

Normally when the economy slows, there’s a flight to safety, not away from it.

Means the world may be abandoning America.

We are flirting with a true crisis.

Jesse Eisinger (@jeisinger.bsky.social) 2025-04-09T02:36:38.175Z


10 year Yield going vertical.

"Ok what’s going on here?

Yields are going up which means bond prices are going down.

Fewer buyers of the world’s safest asset.

Normally when the economy slows, there’s a flight to safety, not away from it.

Means the world may be abandoning America.

We are flirting with a true crisis."
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Ok what's going on here? Yields are going up which means bond prices are going down. Fewer buyers of the world's (Original Post) applegrove Apr 2025 OP
Could be China is selling. They own $700 B. Japan owns $1 T. Canada is 4th or 5th with $300 B. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #1
China is dumping treasuries to drive rates up and screw our growth. unblock Apr 2025 #2
Guess he'll have to nuke them mountain grammy Apr 2025 #3
Kick dalton99a Apr 2025 #4
It's bad, bad, bad... Arazi Apr 2025 #5
Last week or so the credit rating agencies moniss Apr 2025 #6
part of it may be investors needing to generate cash to pay for margin calls on stock portfolios jgo Apr 2025 #7
Margin call - As I understand it, you borrowed money to buy stock, now we want it repaid. Liberal In Texas Apr 2025 #11
Time to buy European bonds RainCaster Apr 2025 #8
Bond rates are up because nobody is buying Melon Apr 2025 #9
It makes sense. Loss of confidence in the US govt. intrepidity Apr 2025 #10
TSF hates America. The GOP trifecta plus the sick Supremes bronxiteforever Apr 2025 #12
The panel on CNBC is saying jgo Apr 2025 #13
Thanks for the clarification. applegrove Apr 2025 #14

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
1. Could be China is selling. They own $700 B. Japan owns $1 T. Canada is 4th or 5th with $300 B. . . . . nt
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 10:15 PM
Apr 2025

unblock

(55,873 posts)
2. China is dumping treasuries to drive rates up and screw our growth.
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 10:22 PM
Apr 2025

Rule number one of borrowing: don't try to screw your biggest creditor.

moniss

(8,642 posts)
6. Last week or so the credit rating agencies
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 10:56 PM
Apr 2025

were talking about making another downgrade of US rating on it's debt. We would still be investment grade according to the article but less rock solid for projections going forward. Most of that was prior to the last 7 days of insanity. I think the rating agencies assume Crumb The 1st would not be so crazy as to try and do removals at the Fed. I think their assumption is too rosy.

jgo

(1,000 posts)
7. part of it may be investors needing to generate cash to pay for margin calls on stock portfolios
Tue Apr 8, 2025, 11:08 PM
Apr 2025

or other financial entities needing to generate cash for various reasons

Liberal In Texas

(15,957 posts)
11. Margin call - As I understand it, you borrowed money to buy stock, now we want it repaid.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:48 AM
Apr 2025

Because the value of the thing you bought on credit is below what you owe.

Also, as I recall, the First Republican Great Depression was partially caused by this borrowing money to buy stocks.

RainCaster

(13,378 posts)
8. Time to buy European bonds
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:31 AM
Apr 2025

I assume there are such things. I'll ask my broker tomorrow about details.

Melon

(1,007 posts)
9. Bond rates are up because nobody is buying
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:40 AM
Apr 2025

This is bad. The US is owing huge interest payments already. Margin calls are happening but it’s an overall loss of confidence.

intrepidity

(8,550 posts)
10. It makes sense. Loss of confidence in the US govt.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:35 AM
Apr 2025

What happens if/when China dumps its holdings? Hooboy. No doubt they see the writing on the wall and not only want to lock in profits, but also hurt the US govt in the process.

Where is the smart money going, though? That's the big question right now.

bronxiteforever

(11,066 posts)
12. TSF hates America. The GOP trifecta plus the sick Supremes
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:51 AM
Apr 2025

could stop this but they would rather see the US burn.

jgo

(1,000 posts)
13. The panel on CNBC is saying
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:34 PM
Apr 2025

it is a combination of four factors: (copying their graphic)
- profit-taking on "safe" assets
- "a rush for cash" to cover margin
- concerns about U.S. fiscal policy
- uncertainty about China and its treasury holdings

The last one in their narrative includes the point that with reduced major purchases of U.S. products by China, China has reduced ability to buy treasuries (same point for Japan), or they may want to retaliate by not buying or by selling (although it is U.S. and European concerns doing the bulk of selling of long term treasuries now according to the panel).

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