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Joinfortmill

(20,076 posts)
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 09:45 AM Apr 2025

'Trump tariffs spark US government debt sell-off'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrr0e7499o


Confidence in the US economy is plummeting as investors dumped government debt amid growing concerns over the impact of Donald Trump's tariffs...The US does not normally need to offer high rates to attract buyers but on Wednesday the interest rate on bonds spiked sharply to touch the highest level since February at 4.5%...."Bonds should do well in times of turmoil as investors flee to safety, but Trump's trade war is now undermining the US debt market," he added.

Some analysts suggested that America's central bank - the US Federal Reserve - might be forced to step in if turbulence continues, in a move reminiscent of the Bank of England's emergency action in 2022 following Liz Truss's mini-Budget...."We see no other option for the Fed but to step in with emergency purchases of US Treasuries to stabilise the bond market," said George Saravelos, global head of FX research at Deutsche Bank.'

My words: There's no safe haven, people. Congress needs to act now to stop him.


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'Trump tariffs spark US government debt sell-off' (Original Post) Joinfortmill Apr 2025 OP
Republicans in Congress are 100% complicit in this disaster. dalton99a Apr 2025 #1
Yep, they're looking at US safe haven getting face smashed and doing nothing uponit7771 Apr 2025 #4
US debt under this tyrant is junk LS0999 Apr 2025 #2
Yep, this was Trumps hedge; decreased energy cost and decreased cost of borrowing ... can't have that now and premium uponit7771 Apr 2025 #3
FYI Trump 45, one of few presidents to crash Johonny Apr 2025 #5
+1. The Trump stagflation is coming dalton99a Apr 2025 #6
How will they deficit spend if nobody will buy T-Notes? Taxes will be sky high if we ... marble falls Apr 2025 #7
Who didn't see this coming? malaise Apr 2025 #8
Mango Jebus. What he is not able to realize is that the US is a major exporter of debt ... marble falls Apr 2025 #9
(just a nit-pick) lastlib Apr 2025 #15
A head of lettuce lasted longer than Liz Truss IronLionZion Apr 2025 #10
This is getting out of control really fast. patphil Apr 2025 #11
This bond yield stuff is getting attention Renew Deal Apr 2025 #12
China owns over a Trillion dollars in U.S. Bonds & Japan is not far behind. ... aggiesal Apr 2025 #13
I believe I read that China is the largest US Deminpenn Apr 2025 #19
Mierda47 strategy. Poke the Dragon. What could possibly go wrong? n/t aggiesal Apr 2025 #20
Sometimes the dragon wins Deminpenn Apr 2025 #23
Um....WHAT? Dreamer Tatum Apr 2025 #22
U.S. Bonds are covered by the U.S. Government ... aggiesal Apr 2025 #24
You said that if China sells, the US has to come up with cash. No, they do not. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2025 #25
Eventually that bond will make its way back into U.S. cofers so they will eventually have to pay it off. ... aggiesal Apr 2025 #28
Bond payments are clearly defined when it is issued. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2025 #30
There it goes. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #14
EU defense stocks look attractive but that's about it. CaptainTruth Apr 2025 #16
Figured this was coming...nt Figarosmom Apr 2025 #17
When the dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency Martin Eden Apr 2025 #18
We're All Gonna Die! Thanks Trump surfered Apr 2025 #21
King Krasnov (R-Felon) is pissing on the planet BoRaGard Apr 2025 #26
But, but, but "if Kamala wins, the stock market will crash" Justice matters. Apr 2025 #27
Why Bonds Can Be a Good Investment: But Be Aware: good/bad? idk Tickle Apr 2025 #29

LS0999

(278 posts)
2. US debt under this tyrant is junk
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 09:48 AM
Apr 2025

He won't even honor his own trade agreement. He didn't pay his own contractors. America is being run like the Trump Enterprise and will end up bankrupt in every way.

uponit7771

(93,491 posts)
3. Yep, this was Trumps hedge; decreased energy cost and decreased cost of borrowing ... can't have that now and premium
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 09:48 AM
Apr 2025

... in my area has gone to near 4 a gallon even though 87 has stayed stable .. they're pushing the higher gas prices on premium fuel.

That's CRAZY !!! NEVER seen those prices ... even gasoline is spiking while crude is falling through the floor.

Johonny

(25,470 posts)
5. FYI Trump 45, one of few presidents to crash
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 09:53 AM
Apr 2025

The stock market and bond market at the same time. Looks like Trump 47 about to duplicate that rare feature!

And the Fed buying debt is inflationary.

marble falls

(71,104 posts)
7. How will they deficit spend if nobody will buy T-Notes? Taxes will be sky high if we ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 09:58 AM
Apr 2025

... really go 'pay as you go', something Republicans claim to love but fear more than anything.

marble falls

(71,104 posts)
9. Mango Jebus. What he is not able to realize is that the US is a major exporter of debt ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:11 AM
Apr 2025

... China is a major holder of US debt by way of buying 30 year T-bills. The most important/valuable thing the US owns is it's record for always paying its bills and keeping its promises and treaties.

Mango Jebus is destroying all our strengths.

lastlib

(27,551 posts)
15. (just a nit-pick)
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 11:36 AM
Apr 2025

T-bills have a maturity of one year or less. Anything longer is a note (up to 10 years to maturity), or a bond (over ten years). (no 30-year T-bills) T-bills are sold at discount and pay their interest at maturity. Treasury notes and bonds are sold at percentage of par, and pay interest on a regular schedule (may be subject to change under the current Crime Minister).
just FYI

IronLionZion

(50,821 posts)
10. A head of lettuce lasted longer than Liz Truss
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:24 AM
Apr 2025

but I'm not 100% confident the USA will last longer than Trump.

aggiesal

(10,543 posts)
13. China owns over a Trillion dollars in U.S. Bonds & Japan is not far behind. ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 11:20 AM
Apr 2025

Last edited Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)

You don't think they'll start selling them off just for spite?

We'll have to come up with the money to pay for those bonds that are sold, which we don't have.
Especially since the money Mierda47 & Mu$k are stealing needs to go to the U.S. Oligarchs through tax breaks.

China could go to another broker, but they'll get a less percentage on the dollar.
The broker would have to set the percentage low, so that when they sell it off, they'll make money
but still be less then the 100% of the bond. I'm thinking around 25% to 33% buy, selling at 50% to 66%.

Deminpenn

(17,297 posts)
23. Sometimes the dragon wins
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:09 PM
Apr 2025

We had a cartoon of a dragon sitting blissfully against a tree, working a toothpick with empty knights armor strewn about.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,985 posts)
22. Um....WHAT?
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:07 PM
Apr 2025

You think if China sells its bond holdings, the US somehow has to come up with cash for that? Huh? How exactly does that work?

And you think China would sell United States Treasury bonds at 33 cents on the dollar? The safest investment in the history of the world?

Suggest you do some reading before you post stuff like this.

aggiesal

(10,543 posts)
24. U.S. Bonds are covered by the U.S. Government ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:13 PM
Apr 2025

And no, I don't think they would sell it at 33% on the dollar.
I'm just saying that's a possibility. A low possibility and even lower probability.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,985 posts)
25. You said that if China sells, the US has to come up with cash. No, they do not.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:30 PM
Apr 2025

The bond functions as issued.

If US treasuries were resold by some moron at 33 cents on the dollar, every entity with a nickel to its name would kill to buy it.

aggiesal

(10,543 posts)
28. Eventually that bond will make its way back into U.S. cofers so they will eventually have to pay it off. ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:41 PM
Apr 2025

Also, didn't I say
China could go to another broker, but they'll get a less percentage on the dollar.

So yes every broker with 2 nickels to rub together, would try to buy it.

Martin Eden

(15,363 posts)
18. When the dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 11:54 AM
Apr 2025

The USA economy will be in a world of hurt.

BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
26. King Krasnov (R-Felon) is pissing on the planet
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:33 PM
Apr 2025

most of it backsplashing across the fruited frigging plains

Justice matters.

(9,395 posts)
27. But, but, but "if Kamala wins, the stock market will crash"
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:57 PM
Apr 2025

Then: "COVID is a Democrat's hoax! It's 15 cases and will go down to zero in two weeks. It will disappear."
Now: "We're going to be rich like you won't believe possible. It will be America's Golden Age."

1. Never admit you were wrong. No matter the consequences*
2. Never concede defeat: Fight, fight, fight. No matter the consequences*
3. Never take responsibility for anything. No matter the consequences*

* Emphasis mine.


Reality: China can stop financing the deficits. Oops.
Good luck with that sudden hyper-inflation... Depression.

 

Tickle

(4,131 posts)
29. Why Bonds Can Be a Good Investment: But Be Aware: good/bad? idk
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:45 PM
Apr 2025

Stability: Bonds are generally less volatile than stocks, offering a more stable return.
Income: They pay regular interest (called "coupon payments&quot , which can be great for predictable income—especially in retirement.
Diversification: Adding bonds to your portfolio helps spread out risk, especially when stocks are shaky.
Safety (sometimes): U.S. Treasury bonds, for example, are backed by the government and considered very low-risk.


Interest Rates Matter: When rates go up, bond prices usually go down (and vice versa).

Inflation Risk: If inflation is high, the fixed return on bonds might not keep up with rising prices.

Lower Returns: Generally, bonds don’t grow your money as quickly as stocks.

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