Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Joinfortmill

(17,867 posts)
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:45 AM Apr 9

'Trump tariffs spark US government debt sell-off'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrr0e7499o


Confidence in the US economy is plummeting as investors dumped government debt amid growing concerns over the impact of Donald Trump's tariffs...The US does not normally need to offer high rates to attract buyers but on Wednesday the interest rate on bonds spiked sharply to touch the highest level since February at 4.5%...."Bonds should do well in times of turmoil as investors flee to safety, but Trump's trade war is now undermining the US debt market," he added.

Some analysts suggested that America's central bank - the US Federal Reserve - might be forced to step in if turbulence continues, in a move reminiscent of the Bank of England's emergency action in 2022 following Liz Truss's mini-Budget...."We see no other option for the Fed but to step in with emergency purchases of US Treasuries to stabilise the bond market," said George Saravelos, global head of FX research at Deutsche Bank.'

My words: There's no safe haven, people. Congress needs to act now to stop him.


30 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
'Trump tariffs spark US government debt sell-off' (Original Post) Joinfortmill Apr 9 OP
Republicans in Congress are 100% complicit in this disaster. dalton99a Apr 9 #1
Yep, they're looking at US safe haven getting face smashed and doing nothing uponit7771 Apr 9 #4
US debt under this tyrant is junk LS0999 Apr 9 #2
Yep, this was Trumps hedge; decreased energy cost and decreased cost of borrowing ... can't have that now and premium uponit7771 Apr 9 #3
FYI Trump 45, one of few presidents to crash Johonny Apr 9 #5
+1. The Trump stagflation is coming dalton99a Apr 9 #6
How will they deficit spend if nobody will buy T-Notes? Taxes will be sky high if we ... marble falls Apr 9 #7
Who didn't see this coming? malaise Apr 9 #8
Mango Jebus. What he is not able to realize is that the US is a major exporter of debt ... marble falls Apr 9 #9
(just a nit-pick) lastlib Apr 9 #15
A head of lettuce lasted longer than Liz Truss IronLionZion Apr 9 #10
This is getting out of control really fast. patphil Apr 9 #11
This bond yield stuff is getting attention Renew Deal Apr 9 #12
China owns over a Trillion dollars in U.S. Bonds & Japan is not far behind. ... aggiesal Apr 9 #13
I believe I read that China is the largest US Deminpenn Apr 9 #19
Mierda47 strategy. Poke the Dragon. What could possibly go wrong? n/t aggiesal Apr 9 #20
Sometimes the dragon wins Deminpenn Apr 9 #23
Um....WHAT? Dreamer Tatum Apr 9 #22
U.S. Bonds are covered by the U.S. Government ... aggiesal Apr 9 #24
You said that if China sells, the US has to come up with cash. No, they do not. Dreamer Tatum Apr 9 #25
Eventually that bond will make its way back into U.S. cofers so they will eventually have to pay it off. ... aggiesal Apr 9 #28
Bond payments are clearly defined when it is issued. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 9 #30
There it goes. Scrivener7 Apr 9 #14
EU defense stocks look attractive but that's about it. CaptainTruth Apr 9 #16
Figured this was coming...nt Figarosmom Apr 9 #17
When the dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency Martin Eden Apr 9 #18
We're All Gonna Die! Thanks Trump surfered Apr 9 #21
King Krasnov (R-Felon) is pissing on the planet BoRaGard Apr 9 #26
But, but, but "if Kamala wins, the stock market will crash" Justice matters. Apr 9 #27
Why Bonds Can Be a Good Investment: But Be Aware: good/bad? idk Tickle Apr 9 #29

LS0999

(154 posts)
2. US debt under this tyrant is junk
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:48 AM
Apr 9

He won't even honor his own trade agreement. He didn't pay his own contractors. America is being run like the Trump Enterprise and will end up bankrupt in every way.

uponit7771

(92,746 posts)
3. Yep, this was Trumps hedge; decreased energy cost and decreased cost of borrowing ... can't have that now and premium
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:48 AM
Apr 9

... in my area has gone to near 4 a gallon even though 87 has stayed stable .. they're pushing the higher gas prices on premium fuel.

That's CRAZY !!! NEVER seen those prices ... even gasoline is spiking while crude is falling through the floor.

Johonny

(23,404 posts)
5. FYI Trump 45, one of few presidents to crash
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:53 AM
Apr 9

The stock market and bond market at the same time. Looks like Trump 47 about to duplicate that rare feature!

And the Fed buying debt is inflationary.

marble falls

(64,813 posts)
7. How will they deficit spend if nobody will buy T-Notes? Taxes will be sky high if we ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:58 AM
Apr 9

... really go 'pay as you go', something Republicans claim to love but fear more than anything.

marble falls

(64,813 posts)
9. Mango Jebus. What he is not able to realize is that the US is a major exporter of debt ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 11:11 AM
Apr 9

... China is a major holder of US debt by way of buying 30 year T-bills. The most important/valuable thing the US owns is it's record for always paying its bills and keeping its promises and treaties.

Mango Jebus is destroying all our strengths.

lastlib

(25,765 posts)
15. (just a nit-pick)
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:36 PM
Apr 9

T-bills have a maturity of one year or less. Anything longer is a note (up to 10 years to maturity), or a bond (over ten years). (no 30-year T-bills) T-bills are sold at discount and pay their interest at maturity. Treasury notes and bonds are sold at percentage of par, and pay interest on a regular schedule (may be subject to change under the current Crime Minister).
just FYI

IronLionZion

(48,551 posts)
10. A head of lettuce lasted longer than Liz Truss
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 11:24 AM
Apr 9

but I'm not 100% confident the USA will last longer than Trump.

aggiesal

(9,944 posts)
13. China owns over a Trillion dollars in U.S. Bonds & Japan is not far behind. ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:20 PM
Apr 9

Last edited Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

You don't think they'll start selling them off just for spite?

We'll have to come up with the money to pay for those bonds that are sold, which we don't have.
Especially since the money Mierda47 & Mu$k are stealing needs to go to the U.S. Oligarchs through tax breaks.

China could go to another broker, but they'll get a less percentage on the dollar.
The broker would have to set the percentage low, so that when they sell it off, they'll make money
but still be less then the 100% of the bond. I'm thinking around 25% to 33% buy, selling at 50% to 66%.

Deminpenn

(16,744 posts)
23. Sometimes the dragon wins
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:09 PM
Apr 9

We had a cartoon of a dragon sitting blissfully against a tree, working a toothpick with empty knights armor strewn about.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,948 posts)
22. Um....WHAT?
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:07 PM
Apr 9

You think if China sells its bond holdings, the US somehow has to come up with cash for that? Huh? How exactly does that work?

And you think China would sell United States Treasury bonds at 33 cents on the dollar? The safest investment in the history of the world?

Suggest you do some reading before you post stuff like this.

aggiesal

(9,944 posts)
24. U.S. Bonds are covered by the U.S. Government ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:13 PM
Apr 9

And no, I don't think they would sell it at 33% on the dollar.
I'm just saying that's a possibility. A low possibility and even lower probability.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,948 posts)
25. You said that if China sells, the US has to come up with cash. No, they do not.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:30 PM
Apr 9

The bond functions as issued.

If US treasuries were resold by some moron at 33 cents on the dollar, every entity with a nickel to its name would kill to buy it.

aggiesal

(9,944 posts)
28. Eventually that bond will make its way back into U.S. cofers so they will eventually have to pay it off. ...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 02:41 PM
Apr 9

Also, didn't I say
China could go to another broker, but they'll get a less percentage on the dollar.

So yes every broker with 2 nickels to rub together, would try to buy it.

Martin Eden

(14,161 posts)
18. When the dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 12:54 PM
Apr 9

The USA economy will be in a world of hurt.

BoRaGard

(5,085 posts)
26. King Krasnov (R-Felon) is pissing on the planet
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:33 PM
Apr 9

most of it backsplashing across the fruited frigging plains

Justice matters.

(8,294 posts)
27. But, but, but "if Kamala wins, the stock market will crash"
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 01:57 PM
Apr 9

Then: "COVID is a Democrat's hoax! It's 15 cases and will go down to zero in two weeks. It will disappear."
Now: "We're going to be rich like you won't believe possible. It will be America's Golden Age."

1. Never admit you were wrong. No matter the consequences*
2. Never concede defeat: Fight, fight, fight. No matter the consequences*
3. Never take responsibility for anything. No matter the consequences*

* Emphasis mine.


Reality: China can stop financing the deficits. Oops.
Good luck with that sudden hyper-inflation... Depression.

Tickle

(4,023 posts)
29. Why Bonds Can Be a Good Investment: But Be Aware: good/bad? idk
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 02:45 PM
Apr 9

Stability: Bonds are generally less volatile than stocks, offering a more stable return.
Income: They pay regular interest (called "coupon payments&quot , which can be great for predictable income—especially in retirement.
Diversification: Adding bonds to your portfolio helps spread out risk, especially when stocks are shaky.
Safety (sometimes): U.S. Treasury bonds, for example, are backed by the government and considered very low-risk.


Interest Rates Matter: When rates go up, bond prices usually go down (and vice versa).

Inflation Risk: If inflation is high, the fixed return on bonds might not keep up with rising prices.

Lower Returns: Generally, bonds don’t grow your money as quickly as stocks.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»'Trump tariffs spark US g...