I'll go contrarian here: Quit rooting for the market to fail

[Aviation Pro]

People will lose their jobs and homes. It’s unseemly not to realize this and best summed up by this scene from The Big Short. Just don’t fucking dance.

[newdeal2]

1. This is a direct result of Trump's disastrous policies

Aided by the most unqualified cabinet in history and an impotent Congress. Not because of our wishful thinking.

If this is what breaks the MAGA fever, so be it.

[Gore1FL]

2. Who is rooting for the market to fail? Most of us hope to retire. nt

[EdmondDantes_]

13. Have you not seen all the posts complaining that the market hasn't been in open freefall?

Or ranting that if there's even an hour of stocks going up it's some obvious conspiracy to falsely hold up the market to support Trump?

There's a lot of posts that come across as if the market falls it will prove that Trump's policies are bad and so want the market to fall to prove that. Maybe they don't mean to come across that way, and/or maybe some of us are reading them that way for some reason that wasn't the author's intent.

[Gore1FL]

14. I have not. I tend to focus on posts with linked articles. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. No, I haven't.

I think a lot of posts are saying that the market falling proves Trump's policies are bad. But that doesn't mean "complaining it's not in open freefall". Quite the opposite.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. Noting it is not freefalling when rationality (not emotion) indicates it should be is NOT "complaining", NOT "rooting"

It is NOT ranting.

[Dave Bowman]

3. I agree. Great movie btw. 👍

[Johnny2X2X]

4. The recession is the worry, the markets only have meaning right now because of the recession they're a harbinger for

Millions of Americans will lose their jobs and many will have their lives ruined because of it.

[brush]

27. This exactly. trump's stupid tariff moves have just about baked in...

a coming recession, if not a depression. Most economists have already cited that.

trump doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. The idiot even thinks his tariffs will bring in so much money into the treasusry that we can eliminate income taxes, and he will be hailed as a hero for that.

Such a fool.

[spooky3]

31. That is a worry but stock market crashes have immediate impact as well

Lots of retirees depend on being able to safely withdraw from their 401ks and IRAs. A 15% drop means they may have 15% less income right now.

[Johnny2X2X]

32. Not unless they're a risk taking lunatic

Any retiree would have to ignore all advice from financial advisors to be 100% in equities. I'm sure there are people like that though.

[spooky3]

34. You don't have to be 100% in equities to lose lots of money . Financial advisers

Traditionally have recommended a 60/40 equities to bond and cash portfolio for retirees, because bonds and cash generally don’t keep up with inflation—in fact bonds have lost value in many of the recent years.

Here’s just one source but there are many others:
https://www.financialsamurai.com/the-60-40-portfolio/

Over the long run stocks greatly outperform bonds in returns. The problem is that there have been several severe shocks in recent years and if you look only at 2020 to the present, you’d see much more volatility than usual—because of the orange idiot, largely.

I keep seeing this myth and blame-the-victim opinion expressed all over social media. It’s simply wrong.

(Business doctorate and professor who has gotten advice from multiple finance PhDs over the years)

[AStern]

5. Welp, you vote Republican, this will happen

I keep hoping that people will wake up but "woke" it's a slur now so...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. maga tried to make "gay" a negative for everything. Failed. Own the word "woke" & make them fail on that too. . .nt

[anciano]

6. I have no desire to see anyone suffer a financial setback.....

but I have always been of the classical opinion that you "invest" in money instruments, but you "speculate" in stocks. Equity risk is inherent.

[spooky3]

35. You can't invest wisely without including stocks. Bond and CD returns

For example, do not keep pace with inflation. You’d have to work much longer, and could run out of money in retirement if you avoid stocks or invest very little in them over the course of your work life.

[Maru Kitteh]

7. More will suffer if it's not turned around quickly, so let's get this band-aid off already.

[hlthe2b]

8. this one really does have "two-sides..." If one is not conflicted, then I think they are not assessing the full

picture or what comes next- directly from the tariffs, or Trump's reaction to them.

[milestogo]

9. The only good thing about the market failing is that it causes distress to the rich.

And their cries and complaints have a better chance of being heard anyone else's.

[Hangingon]

20. I am not rich.

My retirement is signifantly supported by instruments that invest in the market. So are the retirements of million of other DUers

[milestogo]

25. Understood.

I am not rich either. But the only people who have the ear of the powerful are the very rich.

[spooky3]

36. Over half of Americans have stocks in their 401ks or elsewhere

And those who have pension plans are also affected because their investment managers invest in stocks too.

This tariff bullshit hurts lots of Dems.

[blubunyip]

24. Yes

Only their cries will be heard. At least right now.

[UTUSN]

10. K&R for, frequent Reccer here will try to get you into the Modified Contrarian mode:

Nobody needs to root for big fails but taking note of them and hammering the accountability should be fine.

[EnergizedLib]

11. No, I am rooting for the market to fail

My sympathy is for 75 million people, while I hope the 77 million suffer.

Crash the market, tank the economy, place the blame where it belongs - Blue Wave in 2026 and 2028.

[fujiyamasan]

15. Most people are going to feel the consequences regardless

Many Americans have 401ks, some still have pensions, and Roth IRAs as well. All of these are tied to the stock market.

There’s no escaping its impact.

Rooting for it to fail is pointless. The market is irrational for the most part. The general economic impacts like mass layoffs will be felt later and that’s something we all feel.

Rooting for fellow Americans to suffer isn’t something that will garner votes. Democrats may find a way to win back some seats if it tanks, but that’s not a given if Trump is able to deflect blame to something else or change the narrative, which with the media we have is especially easy to do.

[Karma13612]

16. Kind of feeling on a fence right now.

I’m not so much celebrating the stock market falling as I am pleased that I’m no longer invested in it.

I moved my 401K from a target date retirement account into a US Government Funds account a week after Trump was reelected. I couldn’t stomach more crashes, still remembering how bad my tiny investment was hit in 2000, 2008 and the ups and downturns more recently.

My investment seems more stable and I get a small dividend every month.

I do feel really bad about all the people who have pensions in stocks thru their jobs. This is hurting some people who don’t even realize they are at risk.

But, a bit of schadenfreude is fun once in awhile, to make up for the hell we are all facing.

[Aristus]

17. I don't want anyone to suffer because of this.

But if suffering is the only way the people who voted for Trump will understand what a colossal fuckup they committed, then, well, desperate times…

[genxlib]

18. No one wants it to fail

It is just that a swift and utter failure is our best chance to derail the path that Trump is on.

Best case scenario, the short term pain causes backlash and a total discrediting of his power and policies. Hopefully before the damage is permanent.

Worst case scenario, the market plays ball for awhile until the destruction is irreversible.

I guess my position is that pain is baked into the system at this point. I am hoping for short and intense but recoverable over a long slow slide into oblivion.

[JCMach1]

19. There are no good alternatives here... Even turning it into a drinking game

Leads to toxicity

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. That doesn't seem "contrarian"; it's normal.

People wanting markets to fall are a minority.

[blue-wave]

23. This is one of my favorite

movies of all time. I've watched it over and over again to catch every possible detail. You can learn a lot about our economic system while being entertained, a rarity for Hollywood. Everyone should heed the warnings and messages in "The Big Short." Protect yourself as much as possible.

[Torchlight]

26. Pray away the Fail!

As it has just as much effect on the taste of mustard as do any other opinions I hold.

[bif]

28. Why TF would I root for the markets to fall?

I've already lost over 10% of the money I have invested.

[brush]

29. Forget about the market, trump's stupid tariff moves have just about...

baked in a recession, if not even a depression. Most economist and business experts are saying it (see Jamie Diamond of Goldman Sachs today on FOX). You don't get a much more credible business name than that.

[Scrivener7]

30. Nope. A short, deep disaster is our best hope. But he's going to drag it out till

all the frogs are used to the boiling water.

[doc03]

33. It does look like many are hoping for a recession. I think this tariffs thing is

nothing but a pump and dump scyme. Meanwhile I haven't seen anything other than
from Malcolm Nance about the military build up for a war with Iran.

[Happy Hoosier]

38. I get what you are saying....

My retirement savins are done more than $100,000 from peaks. That sucks for me. That would REALLY suck for anyone who is retired and has exposure to the market.

BUT.

I think most of us think that the nly thing the MAGAts will understand is their own personal pain. They don;t have empathy. They don't have reason. The ONLY thing that will work is pain.

So many of us want them to actually feel the comnsequneces, and the sooner the better.