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Botany

(73,897 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 08:54 AM Apr 10

Krasnov, "The Nazis showed love to the Jews."

I wonder how Blondy McSpokesperson will try to spin that pile of garbage?



Trump has always been antisemitic and racist. In October of 2018 he came to (Lebanon, OH) S.W.
Ohio which has been the home of the Klan and produced or had hosted a number of the Neo Nazis
who took part in the marches and violence in Charlottesville, VA where they chanted the Nazi
slogan “blood and soil” (blut und boden) as they marched with torches. In his speech he praised
Robert E. Lee for his skill in the Civil War and then said that “International Money Men” (Jews) were
paying for caravans of illegals to come up through Central America and Mexico to the United States
shortly thereafter a Trump fanatic attacked The Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill, PA.



Btw I was in Chicago when the Squirrel Hill shootings happened and it wasn’t till the next morning that
I found out a friend of mine from Ohio U that her family wasn’t hurt in the attack. That was a very long night for me.

Krasnov should be removed from office today before he causes more domestic terrorism by his mouth
breathing followers. But he won’t be.

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rich7862

(448 posts)
1. Ramaswamy wants an office in government. No Way Ho Say!
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 08:56 AM
Apr 10

Ramaswamy is a mental defect that will be running for office in Ohio. Donate to the democratic candidate that opposes this fascist nazi. We need to promote candidates in every state in the Union. That is the only way to eliminate these nazis running our government.

harumph

(2,662 posts)
2. I hear you. It's reprehensible.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 09:24 AM
Apr 10

BUT - if "The Nazis showed love to the Jews" is NOT an exact quote, it shouldn't be presented as such.
If it is an exact quote, then please post a portion of the transcript where he said it. Trump is famous for saying outrageous things
in such a way for (at least some) deniability. Remember when he alluded to a reporter being ass raped. He didn't say, 'I want this guy to get ass raped in prison,' did he? He damn sure went there (almost). But, his style of speaking is so intentionally disorganized, that he leaves himself room for denial.

harumph

(2,662 posts)
5. Then (not paraphrasing) the exact quote is:
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:02 AM
Apr 10

“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?”

Because if you substitute the direct quote with a paraphrased summary "Nazis treated Jewish prisoners with love..." presented as the actual quote, it can be and will be deniable or 'spun' because it isn't an exact quote. I agree that his thoughts (if you can call them that) expressed in his direct statements are accurately sumarized by the paraphrased statement. But having said that, I can just imagine some MAGA person arguing that he didn't actually say that. The motherfucker is great at alluding to his outrageous ideas without providing a direct actionable quote. It's mob speak. He's very good at it.

Behind the Aegis

(55,277 posts)
9. He no more cares about Jews or anti-Semitism than most.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:58 PM
Apr 10

It is just another example in a long line of his disregard for the Jewish experience. Our lives and experiences are a joke to him and too many others. Our history is invalidated and "revised" to suit the narrative of anti-Jews. This is nothing more than a fucking distraction with Jews being the punchline!

Botany

(73,897 posts)
11. As a non Jew straight wasp type I can't understand all the feelings Jews have or what they have felt but ...
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:18 PM
Apr 10

….. on too many times I have heard Krasnov use words and phrases that let people know
that he was talking about “the Jews.” Internationalist, money mangers, Hollywood studio
Bosses, elite intellectuals, and so on. And his obsession with getting his MAGA Americans
angry @ another group of “others” in this case immigrants from south of Texas down to S.
America smacks me of Hitler and the Nazis use of Jewish people as a scapegoat to blame
their problems on.

This is not the 1st time Krasnov has tried to speak about the good side to the Nazis or the
neo Nazis in Charlottesville, “Good people on both sides.” His 1st wife outed him for having
Hitler related materials in his bedroom.

He truly is a vile person who Putin installed in order to tear down America from the inside.

Behind the Aegis

(55,277 posts)
12. I agree he is a truly vile individual.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:38 PM
Apr 10

You are also correct he uses codewords, buzzwords, and dog-whistles to make his "point", such that it is, while providing an escape route when people object to his stupidity or bigotry. "Othering" is very popular on the right. There is always someone else who is actually responsible for the ills they face. That said, we can't ignore when the left does this too as exemplified when anytime he says shit like this, someone always demands "What did this or that Jew say about it?" Why should that matter?! All it does is misdirects an anti-Semitic attack/misinformation toward a member of the victimized group, with the implication that is "said Jew can't be bothered to respond, then how serious is it really?!".

Jews are often the scapegoat for a variety of ills in society. Look at the second picture you used in your OP. Those Jews were murdered not only for being Jews, but because the right has placed the "influx of illegals", that is to say immigration, especially for those in need, on the Jews who are trying to "replace" the "good, white Christians" in the US. It is so strange that even things in which Jews aren't really relevant, we somehow are to blame or are behind the nefarious actions.

Name a topic and I can find a corresponding conspiracy theory in which the Jews are to blame. Financial crisis? JEWS! COVID-19? JEWS! Vaccines? JEWS! The murder of Kennedy? JEWS! Loss of one politician over another? JEWS! Porn? JEWS! Civil Rights? JEWS! GLBT Rights? JEWS! The murder of Jews/rise in anti-Semitism? JEWS!!

There is almost nothing that can't be traced back to someone, including societies/cultures/movements, blaming Jews for their woes!

This pic sums it up:



Anti-Semitism: the tool of the oppressor since Jews became a people

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