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Nevilledog

(54,094 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:44 AM Apr 10

Don't overestimate the goodness of the American people

https://www.editorialboard.com/dont-overestimate-the-goodness-of-the-american-people/


Now that trillions of dollars have vanished as a consequence of the Trump tariffs, I see that some liberals who are sitting on high perches are talking about how the tide is turning against the president. They tell us that even Donald Trump’s voters are changing their minds.

It’s things like this that worry me. It tells me that liberals still operate according to certain articles of faith that are well beyond their expiration dates. It tells me that liberals grossly underestimate the power of corruption, greed, arrogance and stupidity, and grossly overestimate the inherent goodness of the American people.

For the last 25 years or so, liberals have complained about the fact that people who vote for Republicans always vote against their own economic self-interest. Yet at the same time, liberals believe deep in their bones that once they experience economic hardship, as a consequence of their vote, these same voters will change their minds.

Why would they do that? If they truly understood their own economic self-interest, they wouldn’t have voted against it in the first place. They don’t. Their vote is proof. So the question is: Why should we expect people who don’t understand what’s good for them to change their minds? Why should we expect people who don’t understand what’s good for them to see the value of the Democrats’ economic policies?

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Cosmocat

(15,138 posts)
1. I have told people or posted a million times
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:10 AM
Apr 10

Their default is their hate of us, the liberals.

Having allowed themselves to marinate in AM radio, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News etc. for the entirety of their lives, this is all they know.

They are blind to anything else, and that is why all their elected leaders and all the propogandists blame everything on liberals. To the point where people gaslight themselves to "own" the liberals.

Frasier Balzov

(4,319 posts)
2. Take heart. 49.8% is not a mandate.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:36 AM
Apr 10

The electoral college predates the telegraph.

An evil person only needs to convince a few extra voters in a few selected states.

And so does a good person.

EYESORE 9001

(28,069 posts)
3. I'd better see some concrete examples of 'goodness' or f the American people
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:53 AM
Apr 10

From my perspective, it seems we’ve devolved into Sociopath Nation.

leftstreet

(36,722 posts)
5. Can "goodness" be measured in politics?
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:15 PM
Apr 10

More and more people believe the entire system is corrupt and definitely un-good

Watch an elderly person fall in a grocery store and you'll see how many people flock to help out

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,814 posts)
6. They voted against themselves because they dont YET understand the economics. Job losses will educate them
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:16 PM
Apr 10

Right now, it is all rather cerebral: bonds, tariff rates, etc. The regime's propaganda is rosy, talking about "short term pain, long term gain". They hear that and they think, oh, three to six months and then it begin to boom. Nope.

When stagflation bites, when that new car they thought they'd afford in nine months becomes $5,000 more expensive, when the unemployment rate climbs and one of their friends lost their job, ... that's when they'll start to get a clue.

Then they'll turn. In time for the Blue Storm Surge Nov. 2026.

Paladin

(30,211 posts)
7. I was underestimating that goodness...
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:24 PM
Apr 10

...even before trump was allowed back in the White House for a second regime. The chances of my slipping back into overestimating that goodness are the same as the chances of trump becoming an honest and intelligent public servant.

usonian

(17,209 posts)
8. Addicts and cult members sometimes have to hit ROCK BOTTOM before trying to recover. It has to be voluntary.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:38 PM
Apr 10

Who can break the spell of hate so thick that people can't see past it?
It's going to take a black swan of all black swans event, worse than 9/11, which I predict with higher probability by the day.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20215296

If China doesn't hack the holy hell out of the U.S. infrastructure, managed by ignorant asslicker cronies who fired everyone doing the right thing, I'd be very surprised. In fact, I think I'll guarantee it. (1)

Be ready.

More destruction:
Trump signs order targeting former CISA head Chris Krebs
https://www.nextgov.com/people/2025/04/trump-signs-order-targeting-former-cisa-head-chris-krebs/404445/

Donald Trump signed an executive order Wednesday night directing the Justice Department to investigate former top cybersecurity official Chris Krebs and mandating the head of every relevant federal agency revoke his security clearance.

Krebs, who served as the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency’s director in Trump’s first term, made headlines at the end of his tenure for contradicting baseless claims from the president that the 2020 election was stolen from him.

Who falsely claimed that Biden "weaponized" the DOJ? In fact, Biden nominated a milquetoast Chamberlain, most of whose work was undone in one day.

The projection, always a prime M.O., has reached astronomical levels, and those who said "every accusation is a confession" have to live with the madness and destruction, like everyone else.

(1) This guarantee entitles the claimant to one free cup of coffee at their own expense.

Aristus

(69,710 posts)
10. I confess to having done just that in the past. Americans never learn. But I have.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:46 PM
Apr 10

I no longer wonder what planet these Trumpster shitheads are from. I've started to wonder what planet I'm from. And how did I get stranded on this rock? Populated by apes who wear clothes, and make vaguely communicative noises with their snouts?

Mysterian

(5,540 posts)
11. When people stay anti-vax after their little kid dies of measles
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:48 PM
Apr 10

I can see the brainwashing has turned them into zombies.

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