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Women don't exist in the future? (Original Post) bigtree Tuesday OP
At least they are not all white, straight men. chowder66 Tuesday #1
Not all white, sure TommyT139 Yesterday #5
My brain meant to write straight, but I wrote cis. chowder66 Yesterday #14
there has been a black president Skittles Yesterday #17
We are half the population but only hold 28% of federal office. Irish_Dem Yesterday #26
Other countries have had women presidents, prime ministers, or queens. wnylib 20 hrs ago #64
yup Skittles Tuesday #2
on the Democratic side, I would presume that we are NOT misogynist--- but just too afraid Jack Valentino Yesterday #10
not wise to presume Skittles Yesterday #12
I don't believe any of the above males are misogynist based on what I hace seen of all of them. NoRethugFriends Yesterday #16
You do remember that Hillary got 3 million more votes than krasnov? niyad Yesterday #20
There you go with hard facts Niyad. Irish_Dem Yesterday #24
It does seem that way. niyad Yesterday #33
Thank you! It has been said that "We aren't ready for a woman president". biophile Yesterday #51
I very much disagree with your analysis Jack V. Irish_Dem Yesterday #25
it may be necessary for us to nominate a woman because rampartd Yesterday #30
Ha! I noticed that, too DFW Yesterday #32
Mickie Sherrill, the new governor of NJ should be too. karynnj Yesterday #48
Except there's no widespread use of that which suggests that's not something to be afraid of EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #36
actually, it is paxton throwing the 'low t" crap on talerico rampartd Yesterday #41
That's not the sexual misbehaving of #metoo or Epstein EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #45
Yeah, but (reTalarico) TommyT139 Yesterday #50
i think most of us can smell the difference between a christian and a trumper. rampartd Yesterday #53
Kind of sad Pris Tuesday #3
Sorry, AOC Cirsium Yesterday #4
Nancy Lacore, Amy McGrath, Deb Haaland, many others. nt Ilsa Yesterday #6
Thank you Cirsium Yesterday #7
I have no immediate polite or tempered reply RockCreek Yesterday #8
"need to be trained for verbal combat in a male-dominate space" niyad Yesterday #9
Well, you are certainly right that A.O.C. ought to have been included on that list!!!! Jack Valentino Yesterday #11
Because unfortunately our society isn't ready for that conversation EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #19
If only women were like toxic males the planet would be so much better. Irish_Dem Yesterday #28
THANK YOU Skittles Yesterday #31
EXACTLY!!! niyad Yesterday #34
Kamala verbally kicked trump's ass during the debate. 2MuchNoise Yesterday #37
Agreed imaginary girl Yesterday #39
And look at all the flack she caught for it. niyad Yesterday #40
she was superior in EVERY FUCKING WAY Skittles Yesterday #56
I know, and who so clearly won her one debate against Trump? imaginary girl Yesterday #38
see, it never mattered if Kamala won the debate Skittles Yesterday #55
Her laugh. . . niyad 22 hrs ago #57
yes Skittles 21 hrs ago #59
Sadistic, malevolent monster that he is. niyad 21 hrs ago #62
Her vagina... MorbidButterflyTat 21 hrs ago #60
YES!!! niyad 21 hrs ago #61
One of these will likely be the presidential nominee. I believe none are misogynist. NoRethugFriends Yesterday #13
I'm speechless. betsuni Yesterday #15
"The Messegers" is a slap Blue_Roses Yesterday #18
I have regained my speech. Two things. betsuni Yesterday #21
Women Would Be More Represented Here If More Women VOTED FOR WOMEN. ColoringFool Yesterday #22
AOC has done more to get people out to vote. Blue Full Moon Yesterday #23
At least none of them are the old. rogue emissary Yesterday #27
Sure women exist in the future luv2fly Yesterday #29
Even though there are plenty of reasons for there to be outrage around niyad Yesterday #35
The consistent minimization, trivialization and even dismissal Torchlight Yesterday #42
Where's AOC and the rest? TVguyCards Yesterday #43
lol Rachel Bitecofer WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #44
For every action there is a reaction TheProle Yesterday #46
Tim for Dems to a form a circular firing squad Johnny2X2X Yesterday #47
You're in for a rough 2028 cycle, I'm afraid. BannonsLiver Yesterday #49
Very glad this isn't a DNC ad. -nt CrispyQ Yesterday #52
"The politicians profiled here were chosen based on merit MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #54
Sadly true. niyad 22 hrs ago #58
A woman candidate for president in America in 2028 blubunyip 20 hrs ago #63

TommyT139

(2,457 posts)
5. Not all white, sure
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 12:42 AM
Yesterday

...but if one of them is trans somehow (except in rethug paranoid fantasies), please expand your speculation.

chowder66

(12,599 posts)
14. My brain meant to write straight, but I wrote cis.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:55 AM
Yesterday

I corrected it. Thanks for questioning!!

Skittles

(173,406 posts)
17. there has been a black president
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:39 AM
Yesterday

there hasn't been a female president even though WE ARE OVER HALF THE POPULATION

Irish_Dem

(82,779 posts)
26. We are half the population but only hold 28% of federal office.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 05:22 AM
Yesterday
It is a human rights violation.

We are a patriarchal society.
We see it everywhere, even places we hope could do better.

wnylib

(26,684 posts)
64. Other countries have had women presidents, prime ministers, or queens.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 08:18 PM
20 hrs ago

The US is politically backward.

Jack Valentino

(5,326 posts)
10. on the Democratic side, I would presume that we are NOT misogynist--- but just too afraid
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:19 AM
Yesterday

of those who ARE---- We ran female candidates against Trump two times,
and lost the election (so far as we know) BOTH of those times---
but WON the election in-between where we nominated a male....



Thinking OUTSIDE of THAT box---
2028 might indeed be our BEST chance to elect a female President
for the first time, with everyone HATING on Trump and Republicans so much---

but we might be too afraid to try it.... Taking BACK the White House AND Congress
seems more important at this critical point in history,
than trying to 'break the glass ceiling'.... know what I mean ?


Now, if we could get enough women who are married to Republican men
to ignore their orders, and vote for the female candidate instead,
then that might change the calculus entirely.....


I think Democratic women are braver than Democratic men
(and us Democratic men are fewer in numbers)---

but if a Democratic woman is nominated for President in 2028,
I will do all that I can do to support her!!!

(I can't say that I will support any woman in the presidential primaries---
since I am fearful of that idea, and not committed to ANYONE at this point..)




Skittles

(173,406 posts)
12. not wise to presume
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:49 AM
Yesterday

it is everywhere - heck, I have recently seen it dismissed as baggage. as an inconvenience

over and OUT

NoRethugFriends

(3,834 posts)
16. I don't believe any of the above males are misogynist based on what I hace seen of all of them.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:17 AM
Yesterday

BTW, "over" with "out" is incorrect. "Out" implies no "Over."

I would prefer no religious ones (Warnock) and no "Newsom," a little too slick.

Irish_Dem

(82,779 posts)
24. There you go with hard facts Niyad.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 05:07 AM
Yesterday

Sometimes that is a tough sell with some folks.

biophile

(1,635 posts)
51. Thank you! It has been said that "We aren't ready for a woman president".
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:51 PM
Yesterday

But the fact is that the voters overwhelmingly DID vote for a woman. She just wasn’t sworn in because of the Electoral College.

Irish_Dem

(82,779 posts)
25. I very much disagree with your analysis Jack V.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 05:10 AM
Yesterday

I believe you are quite incorrect on a number of points.

I will leave it at that due to obvious reasons.

rampartd

(5,332 posts)
30. it may be necessary for us to nominate a woman because
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 05:40 AM
Yesterday

all of the male candidates will be smeared with epstein/me too/insufficient testosterone (ain't that one a kick) kinds of internet enhanced creepiness.

and a gay candidate , unfortunately , is a bridge too far. a generation away, maybe.

but yes, i'm considering liz warren as well as aoc, and am open to a few others.

mayor pete, of course, should be appointed secretary of anything he wants to do.

my current choice is a white male NOT on the list. "article unfair to astronauts?"

DFW

(60,625 posts)
32. Ha! I noticed that, too
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 06:56 AM
Yesterday

But I‘m trying not let personal relationships intrude.

I‘d definitely include Elissa Slotkin in the list, too. Of the other „name“ women on our A team, it‘s a mixed bag for me. They run from „absofuckinglutely!“ to „rather not, thanks all the same,“ but that‘s my take, and not one I shout from the rooftops. „

karynnj

(61,184 posts)
48. Mickie Sherrill, the new governor of NJ should be too.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 11:01 AM
Yesterday

Until Governor Whitmer took herself out of the list of people possibly running in 2028, I assume she would have been there.Yet she could still be an influential voice.

I also think AOC should be included as she is influential. It seems the list is almost entirely people rumored to run for President and people running in swing states.

EdmondDantes_

(2,231 posts)
36. Except there's no widespread use of that which suggests that's not something to be afraid of
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 09:43 AM
Yesterday

No hint of gender or sexual impropriety about Talerico, Roy Cooper, Mandami, etc. Maybe, just maybe people on our side like Swalwell did in fact do bad things especially when there's corroboration of people the victims told in the moment. There's nothing magical about being a Democrat that means you can't be a predator.

TommyT139

(2,457 posts)
50. Yeah, but (reTalarico)
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:34 PM
Yesterday

...as has already been demonstrated on this thread, 'openly Christian' is not regarded kindly by a significant number of Dem voters. It demands too nuanced an understanding of faith and identity, I guess.

That's not to say a Dem of any stripe (red, green, or lavender) wouldn't get desperate Dem votes, but to me it says there's a long way to go to build a real coalition. Of course, leveraging simple hate (cf MAGA) will always be easier than mobilizing the complexities of empathy, love, and imagination. Hopefully we'll have time to try.

rampartd

(5,332 posts)
53. i think most of us can smell the difference between a christian and a trumper.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:12 PM
Yesterday

i'm uncomfortable with open profession of faith, but i'm uncomfortable with open sexuality so that is probably my prob.

Cirsium

(4,190 posts)
4. Sorry, AOC
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 12:37 AM
Yesterday

Sorry, AOC, Lisa Blunt Rochester, Jasmine Crockett, Lateefah Simon, Laura Gillen, Angela Alsobrooks, Rachel Hunt, Kelly Morrison, Maggie Goodlander, Kyle Evans Gay, Luz Rivas, Mallory McMorrow, Laura Friedman, Julie Johnson, Yassamin Ansari, Ilhan Omar, Janelle Bynum, Emily Randall, Maxine Dexter, Sarah Elfreth, April McClain Delaney, Kristen McDonald Rivet, Nellie Pou...

niyad

(134,788 posts)
9. "need to be trained for verbal combat in a male-dominate space"
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:18 AM
Yesterday

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??? There is so much wrong with that statement that I want to scream. Hey, rachel, why don't we talk about what happens to women who DO engage iin that verbal combat. Better yet, instead of talking about how ill-equipped women are, why don't we talk about WHY these are "male-dominated spaces". Why don't we talk about misogyny and patriarchy, the hatred for women, the forcible keeping them out of public spaces that we have been enduring all these millenia of patriarchal rule?

So damned disappointing.

Jack Valentino

(5,326 posts)
11. Well, you are certainly right that A.O.C. ought to have been included on that list!!!!
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:37 AM
Yesterday

While politically strategically probably not the 'best choice' for the 2028 Dem pres nomination,
due to ideological positioning---- she CERTAINLY ought to have been included
in that all-male meme!!!!

IF she decides to run for President in 2028, I can't say now how I would vote---
but I suspect she would be the strongest prospective 'progressive' challenger
against whatever 'more moderate' candidate which 'the party at large'
chooses to coalesce around!!!

(But, I would prefer that she runs against Chuck Shumer for his Senate seat in New York---
all the polls I've seen showed her beating him by about two to one in that race---
and we need a FIGHTER in EVERY US Senate seat--- including New York!)

EdmondDantes_

(2,231 posts)
19. Because unfortunately our society isn't ready for that conversation
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:57 AM
Yesterday

Sexism/misogyny is so deeply rooted (along with racism and heteronormative thinking) that even many well meaning people can't see past their own biases to truly challenge themselves. It's easy to convince ourselves that we aren't sexist, or provide excuses why we have to continue centering cishet Christian largely white guys this time (and the next time and the next time).

Even here when push comes to shove, far too many people aren't willing to have painful conversations about that and how reflexively our guy wouldn't do that or their behavior wasn't that bad, or we can't risk it this election comes up again and again. Same thing the party did with those pesky gay rights and why are they insisting on same sex marriage when it's not popular yet. We have an election to win and they just have to wait.

We all have to be willing to look at our actions more critically and be willing to see the ugly truths we hide from ourselves. And it sucks to do so. Nobody likes to really acknowledge where they fall short of their ideals and to accept they have deeply buried biases and lies that we believe.

Irish_Dem

(82,779 posts)
28. If only women were like toxic males the planet would be so much better.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 05:26 AM
Yesterday

Because then all the best parts of female essence would be totally destroyed
and we would all be male.
SMDH

Skittles

(173,406 posts)
31. THANK YOU
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 06:08 AM
Yesterday

if Kamala had engaged in VERBAL COMBAT she would have been portrayed as the ANGRY BLACK WOMAN

Skittles

(173,406 posts)
55. see, it never mattered if Kamala won the debate
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 03:11 PM
Yesterday

Trump could be a multi-felon rapist seditionist chronic liar and con man - but Kamala had to be PERFECT

NoRethugFriends

(3,834 posts)
13. One of these will likely be the presidential nominee. I believe none are misogynist.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:51 AM
Yesterday

A woman will likely not be, except for a very outside chance of AOC.
Sorry, politics is still the art of the possible.

Blue_Roses

(13,924 posts)
18. "The Messegers" is a slap
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:45 AM
Yesterday

in the face to women. While I don't see any of the above "messengers" as misogynistic, the wording sets the precedent, by implying that men are the only ones who can communicate, which we all know is not true.


betsuni

(29,393 posts)
21. I have regained my speech. Two things.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 04:04 AM
Yesterday

Trump made the elections of 2016 and 2024 all about identity. Race and gender. The Democratic candidates did NOT run on "identity politics," they both ran on strengthening the economy for the working and middle classes -- which SURPRISE does not only mean white men anxious and angry about their status and power in society. Anybody listen to Hillary and Kamala? Maybe everybody should fucking listen.

Is the Democrats-are-bad-at-messaging criticism because women are often the messengers? Needs fighting spirit man voice power? I read some of an article about the "feminization" of the party and I can't find it again.

luv2fly

(2,746 posts)
29. Sure women exist in the future
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 05:33 AM
Yesterday

But this particular image is talking about these eight men who are connecting with people and that's a good thing.

A different image can show different things and it too can become a popular meme. A talented person here could even create it and set it on fire throughout the interwebs.

Outrage does not need to be found around every corner.

niyad

(134,788 posts)
35. Even though there are plenty of reasons for there to be outrage around
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 08:57 AM
Yesterday

every corner. I am trying to think of a single positive thing happening for women under the current misogynist, patriarchal, theocratic, christofascist, woman-hating regime here. If I am missing something great, I would love to hear about it.

Torchlight

(7,134 posts)
42. The consistent minimization, trivialization and even dismissal
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 10:02 AM
Yesterday

of women's issues is almost as frustrating to watch as the consistent attacks on it; two different methods, same purpose. From my chair, it's one of the two or three issues habitually ignored in our current reality and far too often framed into a "what about" contest of unfairness as an effort to distract and reallocate discussion.

TVguyCards

(51 posts)
43. Where's AOC and the rest?
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 10:05 AM
Yesterday

Where's Summer Lee, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Maxwell Frost, Ro Khanna, etc. all of whom believe in the policies poor and working class people need like single payer heathcare?

IMHO those people are the future of the party and are in touch with what people, especially young(er) voters want and need who are now the largest voting bloc. Fresh ideas. Fresh faces. Fresh policies.

TheProle

(4,170 posts)
46. For every action there is a reaction
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 10:45 AM
Yesterday
Action: In the wake of Harris' loss in '24, many Democrats (even some well-meaning ones and even some women) based on of a sample size of 2 close races, declare women as incapable of winning a presidential election and pick up the banner of "only a straight white male can win!"

Reaction: This shit.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,899 posts)
54. "The politicians profiled here were chosen based on merit
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:43 PM
Yesterday

on communication strategy AND either serving in a swing state or planning a likely presidential run and I would sure like to see more women get on board."

After the sickening realization that the worst man is considered better than the best woman, I just can't muster up a shred of outrage over, "Women don't exist in the future," deliberately taken out of context.

One could argue women don't exist right now.

blubunyip

(315 posts)
63. A woman candidate for president in America in 2028
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 08:08 PM
20 hrs ago

is problematic only because sexism and misogyny are so deeply ingrained in the American psyche. Trump's reign of terror proves that it's just as bad as it ever was. You see it everywhere. Men in power have no interest in addressing the issues.

Moderates still have a big problem with voting for a woman, and a female candidate is always seen as "too far left." So any debate about whether a woman candidate has the right communication skills and the right charisma or persuasive power is beside the point. "Women should be trained for verbal combat in a male-dominated space." --so much wrong with that statement it's mind-blowing. The message is, "Women, be a Man!

I'm already resigned to the fact that in this climate, with everything riding on the next elections, a woman has no chance of heading the ticket. But still, it's not the time to give up. Let's continue work to get as many qualified women in all the other offices as possible, and maybe one day...one day, one of them will finally rise to the top.

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