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dalton99a

(96,089 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 09:01 AM Tuesday

President Trump Lost This War

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/15/opinion/-trump-lost-war-iran.html


By The Editorial Board

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Iran’s hard-line government remains in place. The specifics of the nuclear agreement will apparently be negotiated over the next two months, but the terms seem likely to resemble those of a 2015 deal that President Barack Obama negotiated and that Mr. Trump canceled in 2018. He described the Obama agreement as the “worst deal ever” and said it put Iran on “a route to a nuclear weapon.” He criticized it for failing to force Iran to stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and for loosening economic sanctions. Yet his destructive war seems likely to leave him with a similar deal.

His biggest achievement in the cease-fire framework is the expected reopening of the Strait of Hormuz to global shipping traffic, which will eventually reduce the prices of energy and other goods. That, of course, is merely a reversion to the prewar status quo. Iran closed the strait in retaliation, to damage the global economy and increase political pressure on the United States. The move worked, and Iran’s leaders now understand that they hold a powerful economic weapon.

On balance, Iran emerges the strategic winner of the four-month war. It did suffer substantial losses, including much of its navy, air force, military-industrial capacity and political leadership, including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, who was killed on the war’s first day. With the war ending, however, Iran’s leadership can begin rebuilding.

The United States, for its part, looks weaker in the eyes of the world. The American military has shown itself unable to quash a much smaller opponent even as it burned through many of its long-range precision missiles and interceptors. The outcome damages this country’s ability to deter other potential adversaries. To begin to repair the damage, the United States would be wise to mend alliances in Europe, the Middle East and Asia that have been frayed by the war’s military and economic effects. The Pentagon will also need to modernize and prepare for the wars of the future. Neither is likely to happen under President Trump.

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President Trump Lost This War (Original Post) dalton99a Tuesday OP
Trump is a loser PJMcK Tuesday #1
One million % correct. It is really that simple. chicoescuela Tuesday #2
He thought he was going to invade a shithole country and take their oil Mr.Bee Tuesday #22
Big Time Ray Bruns Tuesday #24
Fake, phony, fraud, charlatan, loser. Dulcinea Tuesday #28
The War was Rigged! Prairie Gates Tuesday #3
Iran didn't know Trump is the King of the Universe and they were supposed to bow Attilatheblond Tuesday #33
They forgot about Epstein. Glad they mentioned Israel. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #4
And what the Orange Dipshit did has strengthened them. YodaMom2 Tuesday #14
Thousands if not tens of thousands of dead Iranian protesters... Kid Berwyn Tuesday #19
China probably feels they have a much freer hand in Taiwan after this. SamuelAdams Tuesday #5
That's a serious ramification. Martin68 Tuesday #9
Maybe They'll modrepub Tuesday #23
If a man bankrupt's two casinos, how can you expect him to do something like "win a war" ? ashredux Tuesday #6
Three jmowreader Tuesday #16
Dismal. calimary Tuesday #38
What about Rebl2 Tuesday #7
The full terms of the deal are still unknown so the NYT left them out of the Editorial. maxsolomon Tuesday #17
Archived usonian Tuesday #8
+1 dalton99a Tuesday #20
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Tuesday #21
Obama's deal had Iran give up 97% of its enriched uranium and allow inspection of its nuclear facilities Martin Eden Tuesday #10
JCPOA was 159 pages. Apparently JV Vance said this is a page and a half underpants Tuesday #27
Regarding nukes, it's probably trust WITHOUT verification Martin Eden Tuesday #30
All in the name of distraction from Epstein Bristlecone Tuesday #11
HEY, nyt. YOU helped create this monster, but thank you for niyad Tuesday #12
Not to mention Mblaze Tuesday #13
I wish every media person and politician Mblaze Tuesday #15
Although that is true, in the final years when the US karynnj Tuesday #29
Thanks 😀 Mblaze Tuesday #36
In other news, the ocean is wet and tree leaves are green in June. NNadir Tuesday #18
Nope America lost this war IbogaProject Tuesday #25
None of this would'be happened under President Kamala Harris and a Democratic Administration NBachers Tuesday #26
But Kamala Harris Laughed Funny. Ray Bruns Tuesday #32
Infuriating, isn't it! calimary Tuesday #39
"To begin to repair the damage, the United States would be wise to mend alliances in Europe, the Middle East and Asia" Ray Bruns Tuesday #31
ETTD, except for Iran. City Lights Tuesday #34
The Loser Who Thinks He's A Winner VBNMW_Realist Tuesday #35
Trump is a no talent guy. Emile Tuesday #37

Mr.Bee

(1,959 posts)
22. He thought he was going to invade a shithole country and take their oil
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 12:52 PM
Tuesday

Instead he had to make up a story about WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRACTION
NT

Dunce J. Drumpf

Attilatheblond

(9,437 posts)
33. Iran didn't know Trump is the King of the Universe and they were supposed to bow
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 03:14 PM
Tuesday

or bend over.

Kid Berwyn

(25,400 posts)
4. They forgot about Epstein. Glad they mentioned Israel.
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 09:23 AM
Tuesday
From NYT editorial:

Before the American and Israeli attack began on Feb. 28, Iran’s leadership had endured a miserable two and a half years. The government was far weaker than it had been before the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel by Hamas, which Iran has long funded and advised. In response to that attack, Israel significantly diminished Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iranian proxy group. In Syria, a murderous, Iran-backed dictator fell while Iran’s leaders did little to save him. Israel and the United States exposed Iran’s air defenses and missile program as paper tigers when they bombed Iranian nuclear sites last summer, setting back its program. All the while, Iran’s currency continued to plummet, and its economy was in ruins. Starting late last year, Iranians took to the streets to protest, and the regime responded by killing thousands of them, if not tens of thousands.

YodaMom2

(240 posts)
14. And what the Orange Dipshit did has strengthened them.
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 11:59 AM
Tuesday

Their hold on Iran has solidified ALL. BECAUSE. OF. HIM.

Kid Berwyn

(25,400 posts)
19. Thousands if not tens of thousands of dead Iranian protesters...
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 12:32 PM
Tuesday

...many of whom rose up on Dimdonnie's promise in January:

"Iranian patriots! Seize this moment...Help is on its way!"

Like his definition of strength, I guess his definition of help is different.

modrepub

(4,236 posts)
23. Maybe They'll
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 12:58 PM
Tuesday

Look at what Russia and the US did and figure it’s better to try and integrate by another means besides force.

calimary

(91,315 posts)
38. Dismal.
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 07:12 PM
Tuesday

I guess all anybody needs to know about him is: he can talk a good game. Unfortunately for too many people, talk is mighty cheap and easy. Meanwhile, positive results promised in that cheap ‘n’ easy talk are nowhere to be found.

Rebl2

(17,992 posts)
7. What about
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 10:33 AM
Tuesday

the fact we will give them billions in tax payers money and unfreeze their assets?

maxsolomon

(39,346 posts)
17. The full terms of the deal are still unknown so the NYT left them out of the Editorial.
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 12:20 PM
Tuesday

I guess.

Response to usonian (Reply #8)

Martin Eden

(16,004 posts)
10. Obama's deal had Iran give up 97% of its enriched uranium and allow inspection of its nuclear facilities
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 11:30 AM
Tuesday

Will Trump’s deal resemble that?

Martin Eden

(16,004 posts)
30. Regarding nukes, it's probably trust WITHOUT verification
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 01:57 PM
Tuesday

Trump just wants this to be over with.

niyad

(135,113 posts)
12. HEY, nyt. YOU helped create this monster, but thank you for
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 11:47 AM
Tuesday

FINALLY actually printing something true about him.

Mblaze

(1,119 posts)
15. I wish every media person and politician
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 12:01 PM
Tuesday

Would stop calling it "Obama's deal". The JPCOA was negotiated and signed by Iran, the US, France, the UK, Germany, China and even Russia.

karynnj

(61,205 posts)
29. Although that is true, in the final years when the US
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 01:49 PM
Tuesday

actively joined others, the US took the lead on drafting the framework, the interim agreement and the final agreement. Negotiating with all the other partners.

IbogaProject

(6,154 posts)
25. Nope America lost this war
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 01:31 PM
Tuesday

He hasn't lost anything. The military industry got a windfall, I believe they bumped the budget recently another 1/2 Trillion. Our bases suffered huge damage over there and we totally blew through our stockpiles. Also the oil industry got extra money and wholesale prices are still higher than in January. We lost money and America lost face around the world. I think that is a good thing as our nation has done nearly nonstop horrible things with our CIA and Army. But on the other hand we had done so much with the Peace Corps and other science and foreign aid efforts. I just hope this leads to a national reevaluation of our military spending levels.

NBachers

(19,650 posts)
26. None of this would'be happened under President Kamala Harris and a Democratic Administration
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 01:42 PM
Tuesday

Ray Bruns

(6,921 posts)
31. "To begin to repair the damage, the United States would be wise to mend alliances in Europe, the Middle East and Asia"
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 02:12 PM
Tuesday

It would be wise so this is not what Trump is going to do.

VBNMW_Realist

(12 posts)
35. The Loser Who Thinks He's A Winner
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 04:19 PM
Tuesday

For his entire life, Donald Trump has had a self-image of being a "winner". This is despite the fact that throughout his entire career, he has not done anything good in his life in my opinion and has even gone bankrupt multiple times as a businessman. And to make matters worse, he thought that was a brilliant strategy, which is actually a form of fraud.

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