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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat percent do you give to Trump stealing the 2024 election?
I think it is most likely he did not. But I am at least around 20% that he did to 80% he didn't. Sometimes it goes to 30%.
I sometimes think Musk might have fu*&ed around enough to give him the edge in all the swing States.
How about you all, anybody certain one way or another?
Traildogbob
(13,310 posts)The absurd percentages trump keeps raging about with drug prices.
Then I would say 3,000 percent.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,240 posts)he pulled the old "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit" and tragically, it worked.
pwb
(12,821 posts)so there's that.
Walleye
(45,780 posts)bob4460
(411 posts)They would have been harder to spot,NO WAY he won all 7 swing states!
yellow dahlia
(6,840 posts)bucolic_frolic
(56,272 posts)We committed our own errors, in both the Biden debate prep, and the Harris campaign. Dem strategists and pollsters were trying to repeat 2020, in ECV. I got tired of hearing how close things were, and I'd rather be us than them. She threw everything at him in debates. He absorbed it all and never flinched. I think we were strident. It didn't inspire confidence.
EdmondDantes_
(2,256 posts)All the available evidence from polls, to election audits, to the failsafes put into place, to the Democratic officials, to the Harris campaign not saying anything about a stolen election, to all of the claimed evidence like over 100% voting turnouts end up being false all points to that the election was fair in terms of counting votes cast.
Republicans definitely try to make voting harder, but that's not cheating in the sense of changing votes and is itself inferential that voting matters.
Prairie_Seagull
(4,891 posts)30/70. Sometimes it's more like a 50/50 thing for me but usually that is just because I am pissed.
orthoclad
(5,022 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,840 posts)ananda
(35,755 posts)It was obvious.
Even Trump gave Musk credit.
Blue Owl
(59,994 posts)And with Musks tampering in France, Leon has shown his true colors what exactly would stop him from tampering in the USA, where he had so much more to gain financially with all the SpaceX and other government contracts that have now helped make him the worlds first trillionaire?
Fiendish Thingy
(24,416 posts)2024 election denialism is as evidence free and kooky CT nonsense as 2020 election denialism, and does absolutely NOTHING to help us resist the current regime and take back the house and senate in 2026 and the White House in 2028.
It is a faulty coping mechanism, used to avoid the painful emotions of a very real loss at the polls.
Also, 9 million fewer people showed up at the polls.
Its that simple.
OLDMDDEM
(3,331 posts)sarisataka
(22,983 posts)No credible evidence has been presented, most just people saying he or Musk cheated somehow.
The argument that there is no way he could have won all of the swing states continues to ignore the polls leading into the election that showed he was ahead in all of the swing states.
At the time we said it was impossible for him to be leading in all of the states so the polls must be wrong. After he won all of the swing states we say it was impossible so that is evidence of stealing the election.
malaise
(299,433 posts)15% for succeeding.
yellow dahlia
(6,840 posts)Because I always have to allow for the marginal possibility that there is something I missed.