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moniss

(9,201 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 08:11 PM 3 hrs ago

The "grand" display of ignorance

in trying to deal with Middle East agreements is in full blown mode now. The career experts in the State Department have largely been tossed out, forced to resign or sidelined. So now we have some crooked political operatives/real estate goons with little to no knowledge of the culture, history of alliances/negotiations/conflicts etc. and how the Iranian government functions and is structured regarding policy and agreements trying to force things like it's a tenant eviction case or a real estate foreclosure and they can't figure out why it all keeps falling apart.

Never at any point have they been willing to consider that their whole approach to dealing with a Middle Eastern culture is the problem. As an example when they reach out to countries in the region to "help" they take whoever raises their hand, or sees a payoff, without regard to the long history politically and culturally between those countries. Western business goons are not the types to care or think it should be important. Therein lies the heart of the matter. The Western nations usually think negotiations should be done as they themselves negotiate between themselves. Never a thought to "When in Rome" so to speak.

As an example a buffoon like JD Vance would probably sit with the Iranian negotiators and say "Hey if we can make a deal you can all come to D.C. for the 4th of July and we'll have a pig roast" and then wonder why that would be an offensive thing to offer. This is real life and it is not some TV tough guy show where we just bring more bombing and weapons. Only idiots fail to understand that these cultures have survived everything there is for a way longer time than the US has been around. They know world history and the history of conflicts around the world better than most people realize.

That knowledge of how to approach conflict, assess their foes and formulate strategy serves them well when dealing with lesser intellects like Vance, Crumb The First etc. To paraphrase the evil memory of Rumsfeld "The idiots don't know what they don't know."

We are so stuck with the ignorant approach of believing that Iran "must" give in that the idiots at the wheel of foreign policy have gone to concession after concession and wondering why they have gotten virtually nothing in return. But the powers that be in this country refuse to consider the old saying about the definition of insanity.

We stopped being in a position of strength when we hooked ourselves to Netanyahu and his blood lust to bomb Iran again and again. We further degraded our position when we let Netanyahu continue on in Lebanon and to publicly make statements about not being bound etc. by any agreement between Iran and the US. The idiots showed the whole world that when it really comes down to it that Crumb The 1st is the servant of Netanyahu. That is not a position of strength and combined with cultural, political and historical ignorance it is a clear description of where we are.

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The "grand" display of ignorance (Original Post) moniss 3 hrs ago OP
Yea, it is on full display. kentuck 3 hrs ago #1
Did he really say that? senseandsensibility 3 hrs ago #2
No it was an example of their ignorance moniss 2 hrs ago #4
The characters installed into decision-making roles were put there to tear apart democracy erronis 2 hrs ago #3
who is this "we" NJCher 1 hr ago #5
It is so depressing sometimes... kentuck 56 min ago #6
Everything with Trump is money and business transactions. wnylib 53 min ago #7
The economys of the world are about to break IbogaProject 44 min ago #8

moniss

(9,201 posts)
4. No it was an example of their ignorance
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 09:20 PM
2 hrs ago

and that he wouldn't bother to consider that some things he might say or do would seem insignificant to him but be major offensive blunders that would highly insult a culture and all out of ignorance and a self conception of grandeur that isn't warranted.

erronis

(24,896 posts)
3. The characters installed into decision-making roles were put there to tear apart democracy
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 08:56 PM
2 hrs ago

not to try and negotiate deals that are good for the US.

They're not incompetents at their primary job - serving the wishes of trump (and his puppeteers).

kentuck

(115,998 posts)
6. It is so depressing sometimes...
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 10:46 PM
56 min ago

...that we need to give our brains a break. It would drive a man to drink.

wnylib

(26,767 posts)
7. Everything with Trump is money and business transactions.
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 10:49 PM
53 min ago

Why would the situation with Iran be any different? Is the main issue actually Iran's nuclear capability? Or is Trump trying to establish some sort of business transaction with Iran and using the force of the US military as a threat to get the business deal that he wants?

What is the real motivation for the attacks on Iran? Money paid to Trump by wealthy leaders in neighboring countries to reduce Iran's strength in the region? An attempt to destroy Iran's capability to support terrorism in the region because Trump wants a luxury resort in Gaza?

That would explain having real estate agents do the "negotiations", which are more extortion attempts than negotiations.

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IbogaProject

(6,163 posts)
8. The economys of the world are about to break
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 10:58 PM
44 min ago

Iran has suffered badly, reserved their best weapons and can wait us out if we dont get Israel to heel. It is paunful watching how inept at even basic social interaction JD Vance is. This is how the Nazis lost the leaders only got misleading false positive reports. JD went in there w no clue. And how a guy married to a woman of South Asian heritage had no clue about Muslims and pork is truely bonkers.

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