Donald Trump Pardon Supported by Top Democrat
Source: Newsweek
Democratic Rep. James Clyburn has said he supports President Joe Biden pardoning Donald Trump.
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Clyburn on CNN said he agrees with Senator Joe Manchin, an independent, about Biden pardoning Trump of the charges in the federal cases.
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Asked if he would support the pardon, Clyburn said: "Yes, I could, absolutely. Because the Supreme Court has pretty much made it very clear, that he is preemptively pardoned of anything he may do as president."
Newsweek has contacted the White house for comment via email outside of normal working hours.
Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pardon-democrat-rep-jim-clyburn-joe-biden-1995246

David Boyle
(732 posts)
David Boyle
(732 posts)AZ8theist
(6,691 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)
I am about to leave the party due to cowardly acts of certain so-called members.
Pardon a CONVICTED FELON and TREASONOUS ASSHOLE?????????????
Comments like Clyburns will relegate the party to irrelavance sooner rather than later.
FBaggins
(28,083 posts)… CONVICTED FELONs are who pardons normally go to.
choie
(5,359 posts)I am more than disgusted by this cowardice. It would be more than cowardice, it would be complicity.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,082 posts)Greens?
Yeah, sometimes Dems suck. But they tend to suck way less than the others.
Hang in there.
Cha
(309,822 posts)than Weirdness in the Democratic Party.
Fight from Within to Make it Stronger to Fight Fascism!!


David Boyle
(732 posts)On my other thread about this, I compare him to Qyburn from Game of Thrones!
Jit423
(1,222 posts)men everything? I just believe that puts Trump above the law unless what he does is actually and specifically related to his Presidential authorities as described in the Constitution. I just do not buy that Trump could shoot someone and 5th Ave for a reason not related to national security or some other crime and Trump would be immune from prosecution.
If that is the case, we need to change our form of government and our justice system completely. SCOTUS has no real meaning except to protect the President and there is no law.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,938 posts)I checked inciting an insurrection was not generally thought of as something as a president does - but we're living in some crazy world /alt universe where these things are now OK.
David Boyle
(732 posts)Or something.
Rebl2
(16,175 posts)electric_blue68
(20,965 posts)




Traitorous Inserectionist!!!
David Boyle
(732 posts)!!!!!
electric_blue68
(20,965 posts)
tornado34jh
(1,447 posts)No way should that bastard Trump be pardoned. Serious question, has he been compromised by money? I would like to know if he was paid to say that.
Karma13612
(4,762 posts)Clyburn?
I’m disappointed in him. And quite surprised.
First off, he does his constituents no favors by his lazy interpretation of what SCOTUS said. They only ruled on OFFICIAL ACTS. Yea, it’s soooo hard (eyes rolling) to distinguish between official and unofficial acts. GMFB. The devil is in the details. We need to push back and make sure P-EINO is held accountable for his UNOFFICIAL acts.
Does Clyburn think that the country will heal if Biden kisses P-EINO’s feet with a pardon. After the election we just had? With the future we are about to endure? I know a narcissist. You do not pardon them. THAT emboldens them. That is the LAST thing you want to do.
The cognitive dissonance is deafening right now.
David Boyle
(732 posts)Thanks for that.
Karma13612
(4,762 posts)I haven’t been checking my political forums as often lately. So glad you agree with me!
Stay strong!
David Boyle
(732 posts)
SamKnause
(14,212 posts)The Democratic party can be so disappointing at times.
David Boyle
(732 posts)Sort of like "Heartbreak Hotel"!
Lonestarblue
(12,555 posts)But, here’s a counter thought. Trump and Republicans have been claiming that the prosecutions were political and Trump had committed no crimes. If President Biden pardons him specifically for the crime of insurrection, document theft, and whatever else Jack Smith charged him with, could that communicate that Trump indeed committed crimes for which a pardon was granted?
In reality, Trump will now never be held accountable for his crimes. Does a pardon go on his historical record as a black mark?
choie
(5,359 posts)is irrelevant and does not signify that he’s guilty. It would signify to many in this country that trump was right and the prosecutions were political and not based in law.
I cannot believe that Clyburn is suggesting this. It is obscene.
travelingthrulife
(2,099 posts)FalloutShelter
(13,275 posts)I was under the impression that accepting a pardon was an admission of guilt.
Would that admission + the pardon free Jack Smith of any restriction on the release of everything he has? Wouldn’t it also hold harmless the J-6 Committee, because of the admission of guilt?
Just wondering if Joe is exploring this as the one real way to keep TSF from exacting revenge.
Worth a ponder.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,029 posts)FalloutShelter
(13,275 posts)the Supreme Court's opinion stated that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it,"
Bernardo de La Paz
(54,808 posts)This is a big tactic of fascists: get people so afraid that they fold in advance without the fascists actually moving on them.
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,048 posts)Clyburn. Wtf
FM123
(10,245 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(54,808 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,503 posts)MaineBlueBear
(132 posts)A pardon. He defies all norms. Rejecting a pardon would be on-brand because of the admission of guilt that accompanies all pardons
It would do nothing to deter future crimes, yet to be committed. He's been given free reign by the Supreme Court.
FBaggins
(28,083 posts)The president can’t say “special limited-time offer! Must accept by Christmas or void”
Trump could just say that he appreciates the thought but has not need for it… and then sit it on a shelf until someone tries to prosecute him in four years.
And, of course, he can always pardon himself.
choie
(5,359 posts)We don’t have to be a party to it. I just can’t believe what I’m hearing.
MaineBlueBear
(132 posts)And shelved it. Turns out he didn't need it
David Boyle
(732 posts)
ramedy
(185 posts)Fold their cards. Act like weaklings.
Getting harder and harder to support.
Hotler
(13,007 posts)I'm tired of losing because of lake of fight.
Vinca
(51,929 posts)Trump's a criminal and has been all his life. One of the first stories Mary Trump mentioned in her book was when Trump was a little boy and pelted a toddler in a playpen with stones. No pardons!!!!!
Icanthinkformyself
(327 posts)Neville Chamberlains in the Democratic Party. Appeasing dictators never keeps people out of camps. I, for one, have had enough of spineless Democratic leadership. I know many others have as well. The sooner the system collapses, and it will, the sooner we can start to rebuild.
moniss
(7,086 posts)would be in favor of a declaration for Richard Nixon as a national hero and maybe a billion dollars or so set aside for the purpose of "re-educating" the people and have required classroom programs to inform people about what a wonderful man he was.
everyonematters
(3,751 posts)That means that a court has to discern whether his actions were official acts of government or not. If not, then he can be prosecuted. The left-wing media has blown this out of proportion, and Clyburn has bought into it.
returnee
(522 posts)…to Manchin and Clyburn, and anyone else advocating a TSF pardon. Suffice it to say it would be really bad. Such an action would split the Democratic Party, I am sure.
lark
(24,918 posts)Do not normalize treachery, hate, and lies - tsf is a criminal and deserves to be in jail right now and would be if Garland wasn't his bought and paid agent or failing that a completely idiotic person who cares nothing for America and only his own fake purity.
LymphocyteLover
(7,827 posts)

Mike 03
(18,403 posts)Like most everyone else, my gut reaction was harsh and immediate. No.
But Clyburn, we are often reminded, is a "legend." What is his calculus? How does he benefit from Biden granting pardons to Trump?
I have to work so hard to arrive at some justification for a pardon for Trump: Only if Joe Biden gets something enormous, gargantuan and vast in return? Like Trump's promise not to take vengeance against these 450 some odd folks...?
But we all know Trump's promises are worthless.
If this is just a "go along to get along" strategy by Clyburn I totally oppose it!
Quanto Magnus
(1,111 posts)he can still make bad, even horrible choices.....
Just like RBG and her bad decision to stay on the court longer than she should've, giving Trump a SC pick, that could've rightfully gone to Dems.
I really think big EGOs are getting in the way of smart decisions.
rambler_american
(895 posts)and that's how we got to where we are. Pardon trum?. Oh f*cking hell no.
barbtries
(30,341 posts)I'm so fucking tired right now.
LymphocyteLover
(7,827 posts)there's no pre-emptive pardon for anything. WTF!!!
Traildogbob
(10,982 posts)See the floor speech given by Texas Rep (Corbin I think) about law and order and justice and consequences for your law breaking, referring to Hunter CRIMES? I saw Kimmel play it in his monologue.
FUCK these clowns. Pardon trump, and Clyburn knows facts that were fully redacted and hidden from us when he was J6 committee head.
Ray Bruns
(5,150 posts)And I think Rep Clyburn should get back on his meds
barbtries
(30,341 posts)So Democrats have surrendered the rule of law as an American value? I have trouble with this.
David Boyle
(732 posts)We'll see!
spudspud
(588 posts)This would almost guarantee that the base is depressed for upcoming mid-terms, etc., and I can only imagine how devastating that would be to the youth vote. They would rightfully see this as back stabbing, hypocrisy. And I think many voters would also conclude that Trump was right all along-- he was innocent and the Dems finally folded and admitted it by pardoning him. Arghhh.
David Boyle
(732 posts)
hadEnuf
(3,120 posts)But Trump is not a normal person. He is a fascist who is surrounding himself with more fascists and any peace offering would be turned into a weapon to further destroy his perceived enemies.
I know we would all like to hope for some relief from this nightmare, but appeasement is not going to work in the long run.
We are at war whether we like it or not. The only thing the enemy understands is force and power.
travelingthrulife
(2,099 posts)IronLionZion
(48,551 posts)sellitman
(11,703 posts)Now we must watch assholes like this kiss the ring?
FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!
BootinUp
(49,645 posts)mistake what he is doing here. Instead of pardons he wants to talk about the Supreme Court and Trump cases.
David Boyle
(732 posts)Curious.
BootinUp
(49,645 posts)David Boyle
(732 posts), what word is missing?? Thx.
BootinUp
(49,645 posts)
Mike 03
(18,403 posts)I feel like you may have figured this out in some way, but I don't understand.
He is not serious about convincing Biden, the one person that needs to be convinced, to pardon the asshole. He is merely discussing it hypothetically and bringing up other things people should know, if they do not. Cya.
-misanthroptimist
(1,307 posts)By pardoning him, you are giving him something. He didn't beat the system. Democrats forgave him. It sucks, but imo it's better than the alternative.
By having it all thrown out he can claim he was a victim.
David Boyle
(732 posts)The federal charges may be revivable after Trump's term, though.
-misanthroptimist
(1,307 posts)After his term may not come. I don't think he has any intention of leaving.
But even if there is an end to his term, I have zero doubt that he'd pardon himself.
Mike 03
(18,403 posts)The act of pardoning him is actually a sort of power play in itself. Is that close to your thinking?
For Trump to accept help from anybody is against his code of zero-sum encounters between people. This is actually a gesture that weakens him, because he is in the uncomfortable position of accepting something he needs from someone he regards as an "enemy"?
We are into the realm of psychology and power plays?
-misanthroptimist
(1,307 posts)PortTack
(35,572 posts)JohnSJ
(98,441 posts)that President Biden pardoned his son, and this garbage, while I ill continue to vote Democratic, I am very much inclined to never give another dime to the Democrats until they get their heads screwed on right.
Wuddles440
(1,678 posts)is the reason the Democratic Party runs the risk of being banished to the outer limits of the political waste land for decades. Total capitulation reflects absolute weakness, lack of commitment, and absence of any principles or value system. It's time for a major housecleaning to replace this tired, old guard with some young blood who are willing to take a stand and fight. If anyone should be pardoned, it's those whom have been identified as "enemies" by Old King Drumpf.
ColinC
(11,098 posts)I honestly can't decide.
Aviation91
(122 posts)SCOTUS has already given Trump immunity! Joe Biden does not need to do anything!
xocetaceans
(4,137 posts)With Democrats like that, who needs Republicans or MAGAs?
David Boyle
(732 posts)Putting together your three favorite names.
Or, Trumpmuskutin.
bluestarone
(19,625 posts)Sure seems to me that a big problem with Democrats is, we can NEVER stick together like RETHUGS. WE continue to hurt ourselves!
David Boyle
(732 posts)
Easterncedar
(4,257 posts)That is all
Dem4life1970
(793 posts)Do not pardon him. The SCOTUS's unconstitutional and outrageous immunity ruling still posits that only "Official" acts are immune. A future DOJ can certainly pick up his criminal activity and charge him in the future.
David Boyle
(732 posts), but some are only presumptively immune, I hear.
City Lights
(25,577 posts)Dumb idea, Rep. Clyburn.
Turbineguy
(38,966 posts)he will fuck the country less if he gets off.
Maybe.
Supply-Side Justice.
NotHardly
(2,070 posts)republianmushroom
(19,546 posts)And kisses him between his orange cheeks, he will get a cabinet position.
RobinA
(10,309 posts)The SC did what it did. No need for anyone's fingerprints to be on their bid for a monarchy.
kirby
(4,502 posts)Clyburn said: "Yes, I could, absolutely. Because the Supreme Court has pretty much made it very clear, that he is preemptively pardoned of anything he may do as president."
Well stealing classified documents AFTER leaving office and fomenting an insurrection are not things he did as president.
dchill
(42,074 posts)And most of the crimes committed by Trump were NOT official acts committed while he was president. So, I'm here-by telling James Clyburn to "Step Off!"
and REALLY tell hi.
David Boyle
(732 posts)
berksdem
(813 posts)Bluethroughu
(7,184 posts)How is he allowed to serve in any office?
hotellanai1986
(160 posts)TSF has unveiled some heretofore unleashed blackmail on the person. Hear me out on my hypothesis: Mr. Clyburn, a man of upstanding character, is the target of a blackmail scheme. He, like Romney, is a family man with children and grandchildren, and it appears he fears the potential consequences of this information becoming public. It has been alleged that TSF obtained compromising material from Putin, who reportedly acquired it during a widely publicized hack of Democrats' emails. Although Republicans' emails were also compromised in this incident, the media did not give it the same level of attention. TSF, despite a history of unrestrained behavior, has shown unusual restraint in using this information sparingly, deploying it only when deemed necessary. It appears now that Mr. Clyburn has become the focus of TSF's attention. Like Romney, Clyburn may be acting to shield his family from a potential scandal. However, the most effective way to combat blackmail is to expose it publicly, revealing both the information and the attempt itself. However, it is understandable that someone might choose to yield to such pressure.
David Boyle
(732 posts)Help!
AKwannabe
(6,728 posts)Fuck that
Fuck that
Fuck that
What the fucking fuck IS GOING ON?!?!?!?
doc03
(37,729 posts)
kerouac2
(1,157 posts)I mean, gimme a break. If trump is going to get a pardon, make him do it himself. And manchin can just go tf away.
GoreWon2000
(1,461 posts)is how we got to Trump. All of Trump's 2020 election stealing tactics including January 6th came from the election stealing road map that the Bush brothers created in Florida in 2000. Manchin and Clyburn are out of their minds wanting to pardon election stealer, convicted felon Trump.
malthaussen
(18,078 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(16,070 posts)I'd give him an earful.
David Boyle
(732 posts)


Prof. Toru Tanaka
(2,565 posts)Mz Pip
(28,065 posts)that pardoning Trump will make him less likely to go on his revenge and retribution tour then forget about it.
Making nice will just be seen as weakness.
David Boyle
(732 posts)


Omnipresent
(6,845 posts)Is that code for “make trump mysteriously disappear”?
If that’s the case, you won’t get any argument out of me!
David Boyle
(732 posts)Whoooosh.
doc03
(37,729 posts)24601
(4,071 posts)24601
(4,071 posts)made a significant enough difference to elect Carter.
Between 1976 and 2016 & 2024, there are far too many other variables to argue it brought us Trump.
doc03
(37,729 posts)emboldened Trump. That proved that like Nixon said, if the president does it it is not a crime. I even saw a post here saying Biden should pardon Trump.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)IzzaNuDay
(944 posts)A pardon only means that dotard will continue to exact revenge.
But I am willing to gamble had the dotard's actions taken place 100-150 years ago, he would have been under a tombstone rotting in a grave.
His sorry ass would have been executed for treason and high crimes.
David Boyle
(732 posts)
IzzaNuDay
(944 posts)David Boyle
(732 posts)



Deminpenn
(16,744 posts)two years or so ago. I would bet that if Biden had offered Trump a deal to pardon him or to drop the federal charges in return for Trump dropping out of the presidential race and signing a binding agreement never to run for elective office again, Trump would've taken it.
After all, Trump's entire reason for running for president was to stay out of jail.
David Boyle
(732 posts)$$$
Deminpenn
(16,744 posts)Trump doesn't have to be president to grift or indulge in graft.
But he did need to be president to make the federal charges go away.
David Boyle
(732 posts)
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)"Now, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Donald J. Trump for all offenses against the United States such as insurrection, treachery, business fraud, sexual misconduct, draft evasion, being an unregistered agent of the Russian government, tax avoidance, graft, voter suppression, mishandling classified information, slander, libel, and racial discrimination, which he, Donald J. Trump, has heinously committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from June 14, 1946 through January 19, 2025.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this tenth day of December, in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty--four."
JOSEPH R. BIDEN
Just like President Gerald R. Ford pardoning Richard M. Nixon on national TV (8 Sep 1974).
David Boyle
(732 posts)as usual. All the details about his "alleged" crimes...
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)
Napoleon was so egotistical, at his coronation he rudely swiped the crown from a shocked Pope to anoint himself Emperor of Europe:
"Nobody gave me Europe! Not you! Not God. Me! Me! I took it! Me!"
Fast-forward to today's orange shit-gibbon blighting our senses:
"Nobody gave me America! I won it! Me! Me! I won!"
So here's your pardon, Mr. President-elect. Just don't say Democrats never gave you anything.
(And President Biden gets to read it out loud on TV).
David Boyle
(732 posts)
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)David Boyle
(732 posts)Coriolanus!
(January 6 was like Corio turning on Rome)
Now THAT's a mind-blower.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)Consider the Earl of Essex for a 6 Jan analog because he led his fellow Englishmen (and some Scots and Irish) in his failed putsch.
BTW: I posted an OP in the ISR/PSE Issue Forum.
David Boyle
(732 posts)
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)
David Boyle
(732 posts)
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)

David Boyle
(732 posts)He sho look different!
Don’t you get it?
They don’t care! They don’t give a shit! All this cutesy, coy listing of his supposed crimes, the nuance will just go right over their heads!
Just…. No! Bad idea! No!
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)You must admit Joe reading that on national TV would have been a field goal kick into #45's groin.
David Boyle
(732 posts)Photo may be funny (in a brutal way) too!
Startint
(4 posts)Beginning to wonder - is it Clyburn the legend or clyburn the broken clock.
(He may have been lucky to be right a couple of times but this time he’s definitely wrong!)
David Boyle
(732 posts)
live love laugh
(15,191 posts)
MFM008
(20,039 posts)No.
NowsTheTime
(1,088 posts)David Boyle
(732 posts)
David Boyle
(732 posts)"Trump wants to DRAG WORLD INTO DARKNESS FOREVER !!! !! !"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219818788
Hassler
(4,259 posts)David Boyle
(732 posts)Sounds like a cowboy name!
mymomwasright
(422 posts)Not an official act! No way!
David Boyle
(732 posts)
Xoan
(25,501 posts)David Boyle
(732 posts)
