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David Boyle

(732 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:44 AM Dec 2024

Donald Trump Pardon Supported by Top Democrat

Source: Newsweek

Democratic Rep. James Clyburn has said he supports President Joe Biden pardoning Donald Trump.
...

Clyburn on CNN said he agrees with Senator Joe Manchin, an independent, about Biden pardoning Trump of the charges in the federal cases.
...

Asked if he would support the pardon, Clyburn said: "Yes, I could, absolutely. Because the Supreme Court has pretty much made it very clear, that he is preemptively pardoned of anything he may do as president."

Newsweek has contacted the White house for comment via email outside of normal working hours.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pardon-democrat-rep-jim-clyburn-joe-biden-1995246

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:/ C Moon Dec 2024 #1
That's one way to put it David Boyle Dec 2024 #2
Oh, and: contact info; my other post on this David Boyle Dec 2024 #35
FUCK THAT AZ8theist Dec 2024 #3
To be fair... FBaggins Dec 2024 #15
I am with you choie Dec 2024 #20
You're about to leave the party? Where ya gonna go? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2024 #24
Yeah, I was going to say.. There's way More Good Cha Dec 2024 #97
Whoooooo David Boyle Dec 2024 #103
Cyburn, heh David Boyle Dec 2024 #25
Is it me, or are folks just reading the immunity ruling wrongly and giving Trump a pass at everything when it does not Jit423 Dec 2024 #140
You (and I) are correct, it was supposed to mean things done while performing presidential duties - last time Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2024 #141
Multiverse of Matt Gaetz David Boyle Dec 2024 #144
Absolutely Rebl2 Dec 2024 #145
While I reserve the right to change my mind; Oh, HELL NO! electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #4
5-nuke post David Boyle Dec 2024 #26
Well, the man's a horror show. And we're about to get "Season 2"! electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #89
What? Are you an idiot Clyburn? tornado34jh Dec 2024 #5
WTAF Karma13612 Dec 2024 #6
Yes, official/unofficial distinction David Boyle Dec 2024 #43
Sorry I didn't come back to you sooner! Karma13612 Dec 2024 #146
Tryin'! David Boyle Dec 2024 #147
WTF ??? SamKnause Dec 2024 #7
"Disappointment Dems" David Boyle Dec 2024 #28
My first reaction was no way in hell. Lonestarblue Dec 2024 #8
The fact that he won't be held accountable choie Dec 2024 #18
He will say he was exonerated like he has done all the other times. travelingthrulife Dec 2024 #52
You have a point FalloutShelter Dec 2024 #60
Accepting a pardon is NOT an admission of guilt. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2024 #85
This is still being debated... FalloutShelter Dec 2024 #88
Clyburn is folding in advance, giving up based on presumptions. He is wrong Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2024 #9
Never obey in advance I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2024 #27
Exactly. FM123 Dec 2024 #74
Ford's pardon of Nixon enabled tRump. Not again. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2024 #10
If they want to keep losing this would be the way. nt RandiFan1290 Dec 2024 #11
This operates as if tRump would accept MaineBlueBear Dec 2024 #12
He doesn't have to accept/reject it FBaggins Dec 2024 #17
So let him pardon himself choie Dec 2024 #19
I suspect he pardoned himself in 2021 MaineBlueBear Dec 2024 #96
! David Boyle Dec 2024 #105
This exactly why Democrats lose. ramedy Dec 2024 #13
Fascist sympathizers crawling out from under their desk. Where is the resistance to fascism from our team?????? Hotler Dec 2024 #14
OMG - elected Democrats are going into mega-kumbaya mode. NO! NO PARDONS FOR TRUMP! Vinca Dec 2024 #16
Tired of all of the Icanthinkformyself Dec 2024 #21
Yes and I have little doubt that Clyburn and Manchin moniss Dec 2024 #22
As I understand it, Trump is immune from official acts. everyonematters Dec 2024 #23
I can't say what I think should happen... returnee Dec 2024 #29
NO times a million!!! lark Dec 2024 #30
WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE SAY THIS?? LymphocyteLover Dec 2024 #31
That's what I want to know. Mike 03 Dec 2024 #77
'Legend' or not.... Quanto Magnus Dec 2024 #90
Ford pardoned Nixon rambler_american Dec 2024 #32
absolutely fucking not. barbtries Dec 2024 #38
Apart from the ridiculous idea here, I don't think he is right about what SCOTUS said LymphocyteLover Dec 2024 #33
Well, did anybody Traildogbob Dec 2024 #34
"Democratic Rep. James Clyburn has said he supports President Joe Biden pardoning Donald Trump" Ray Bruns Dec 2024 #36
What. barbtries Dec 2024 #37
Hopefully just Clyburn David Boyle Dec 2024 #41
WEAKSAUCE HYPOCRISY! spudspud Dec 2024 #39
Better spuds than weak sauce David Boyle Dec 2024 #40
A normal person might see a pardon as a peace offering no matter how morally wrong it would be to do it. hadEnuf Dec 2024 #42
What is wrong with these fools??? travelingthrulife Dec 2024 #44
He wouldn't need a pardon if he weren't a criminal IronLionZion Dec 2024 #45
Losing the election wasn't enough? sellitman Dec 2024 #46
Clyburn is messing with people, don't BootinUp Dec 2024 #47
What do you mean? David Boyle Dec 2024 #51
I missed one word but it should be readable, lol BootinUp Dec 2024 #54
Don't laugh, but David Boyle Dec 2024 #57
I fixed it already. Nt BootinUp Dec 2024 #59
Thx David Boyle Dec 2024 #62
I sure wish you would expand on this. Mike 03 Dec 2024 #79
Briefly BootinUp Dec 2024 #86
I sort of agree -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #48
Rec for thoughtfulness, even if one disagrees David Boyle Dec 2024 #53
Two points: -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #71
Oh, I think I get it Mike 03 Dec 2024 #82
You got it. -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #95
NO! PortTack Dec 2024 #49
F**K this bullshit. The sociopath tried to overthrow the government for gosh sakes. Between those Democrats upset JohnSJ Dec 2024 #50
With "leadership" like this... Wuddles440 Dec 2024 #55
Is this a good idea? ColinC Dec 2024 #56
Not A Good Idea! Aviation91 Dec 2024 #58
Clyburn must either be a moron or a coward if he thinks that Biden pardoning Trump, the insurrectionist, is reasonable. xocetaceans Dec 2024 #61
Trumputinmusk David Boyle Dec 2024 #69
Another shooting ourselves in the foot moment! bluestarone Dec 2024 #63
Hurtin' your head there! David Boyle Dec 2024 #65
FFS Easterncedar Dec 2024 #64
No Dem4life1970 Dec 2024 #66
Yes, and not even all official acts are immune, David Boyle Dec 2024 #67
Nope. Not a chance in hell that I would support that. City Lights Dec 2024 #68
Trump will fuck the country if he doesn't get off. Turbineguy Dec 2024 #70
Democratic Rep. James Clyburn is a freaking idiot...yet again. NotHardly Dec 2024 #72
Another one that thinks if he sucks up to the convicted felon republianmushroom Dec 2024 #73
That's Some Strange Logic RobinA Dec 2024 #75
He is wrong... kirby Dec 2024 #76
Joe Biden is NOT going to pardon Trump. dchill Dec 2024 #78
Call him J-9 Dec 2024 #107
Or use the link I provided... David Boyle Dec 2024 #108
F NO! berksdem Dec 2024 #80
No way. A president insurrectionist. No. Bluethroughu Dec 2024 #81
Hmmm... When Political People Change Course Drastically, It Usually Boils Down To... hotellanai1986 Dec 2024 #83
Blackmail... maybe David Boyle Dec 2024 #94
Fuck that shit AKwannabe Dec 2024 #84
WTF is wrong with these people? doc03 Dec 2024 #87
Force the mo fo to pardon himself. kerouac2 Dec 2024 #91
Letting election stealing Bush brothers off the hook GoreWon2000 Dec 2024 #92
Ridiculous. n/t malthaussen Dec 2024 #93
Glad he's not repping me. Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2024 #98
E.g., "YAAAAGH!!" David Boyle Dec 2024 #101
That and I'd be voting for his opponent come primary time. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 2024 #129
If the thought is Mz Pip Dec 2024 #99
Ding-ding-ding! You get the prize!! David Boyle Dec 2024 #100
Pardon him? Omnipresent Dec 2024 #102
Magic wand David Boyle Dec 2024 #106
Look what Ford brought us by pardoning Nixon. nt doc03 Dec 2024 #104
It brought us Jimmy Carter. 24601 Dec 2024 #134
No Trump doc03 Dec 2024 #135
Can you lay out a reasonable cause and effect? The 1976 election was sufficiently close to infer that the Nixon pardon 24601 Dec 2024 #138
I think not prosicuting Nixon for his crimes doc03 Dec 2024 #139
Absolutely no pardon for Trump. LiberalFighter Dec 2024 #109
Oh hell to the no, Clyburn! IzzaNuDay Dec 2024 #110
Donald Trump - Don Tr - DoTard David Boyle Dec 2024 #111
Kim Jong Un started using dotard back in 2017 IzzaNuDay Dec 2024 #114
"Good taste" David Boyle Dec 2024 #115
The time to dangle a pardon was Deminpenn Dec 2024 #112
What about graft? David Boyle Dec 2024 #116
Secondary, imho Deminpenn Dec 2024 #136
But he can graft bigger 'n better as Prez! David Boyle Dec 2024 #143
Here is the pardon which POTUS Joseph R. Biden can read aloud on international TV: C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #113
Nice job David Boyle Dec 2024 #117
Thanks, Dave. Note Pres. Biden included 'graft' in the hypothetical pardon. C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #118
Trumpoleon - heh David Boyle Dec 2024 #121
Not too bad, Dave! C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #123
Just thinking - maybe Trump is sorta like Shakespeare's... David Boyle Dec 2024 #124
Good point, Dave, but Coriolanus lead Volscians against Rome and repented at the end of the play. C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #127
How many pictures do you have? David Boyle Dec 2024 #130
A bagful. C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #132
Looks like it David Boyle Dec 2024 #133
Trumpf is more akin to vile Richard III or treacherous MacBeth usurping the throne, but your point is well made. C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #137
Gandalf the Black David Boyle Dec 2024 #142
No! Startint Dec 2024 #120
Ten-Four, the pardon is not going to happen. But, did you read the hypothetical pardon I drafted? C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #125
Fun pardon David Boyle Dec 2024 #126
Meh. Startint Dec 2024 #119
Clockburn - heh David Boyle Dec 2024 #122
"Top Democrat" when? Where?! live love laugh Dec 2024 #128
F U C K. N O MFM008 Dec 2024 #131
What a Crock! NowsTheTime Dec 2024 #148
And not even something you can drink! David Boyle Dec 2024 #149
At least Clyburn isn't trying to put out the Sun David Boyle Dec 2024 #150
Time for Clyburn to hang it up. Sounds like he has Stockholm Syndrome like Fetterman. Hassler Dec 2024 #151
"Stockholm Cly" David Boyle Dec 2024 #152
Stolen classified documents!! mymomwasright Dec 2024 #153
You and your mom are right! David Boyle Dec 2024 #154
HOW MANY TIMES IS THIS MORON GONNA GET HEADLINES? Xoan Dec 2024 #155
MORan MORe David Boyle Dec 2024 #156

AZ8theist

(6,671 posts)
3. FUCK THAT
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:21 AM
Dec 2024

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)

I am about to leave the party due to cowardly acts of certain so-called members.

Pardon a CONVICTED FELON and TREASONOUS ASSHOLE?????????????

Comments like Clyburns will relegate the party to irrelavance sooner rather than later.

choie

(5,293 posts)
20. I am with you
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:52 AM
Dec 2024

I am more than disgusted by this cowardice. It would be more than cowardice, it would be complicity.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,043 posts)
24. You're about to leave the party? Where ya gonna go?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:27 AM
Dec 2024

Greens?

Yeah, sometimes Dems suck. But they tend to suck way less than the others.

Hang in there.

Cha

(309,197 posts)
97. Yeah, I was going to say.. There's way More Good
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:09 PM
Dec 2024

than Weirdness in the Democratic Party.

Fight from Within to Make it Stronger to Fight Fascism!!

Jit423

(1,117 posts)
140. Is it me, or are folks just reading the immunity ruling wrongly and giving Trump a pass at everything when it does not
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:59 PM
Dec 2024

men everything? I just believe that puts Trump above the law unless what he does is actually and specifically related to his Presidential authorities as described in the Constitution. I just do not buy that Trump could shoot someone and 5th Ave for a reason not related to national security or some other crime and Trump would be immune from prosecution.

If that is the case, we need to change our form of government and our justice system completely. SCOTUS has no real meaning except to protect the President and there is no law.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,935 posts)
141. You (and I) are correct, it was supposed to mean things done while performing presidential duties - last time
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:34 PM
Dec 2024

I checked inciting an insurrection was not generally thought of as something as a president does - but we're living in some crazy world /alt universe where these things are now OK.

tornado34jh

(1,417 posts)
5. What? Are you an idiot Clyburn?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:08 AM
Dec 2024

No way should that bastard Trump be pardoned. Serious question, has he been compromised by money? I would like to know if he was paid to say that.

Karma13612

(4,739 posts)
6. WTAF
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:16 AM
Dec 2024

Clyburn?
I’m disappointed in him. And quite surprised.

First off, he does his constituents no favors by his lazy interpretation of what SCOTUS said. They only ruled on OFFICIAL ACTS. Yea, it’s soooo hard (eyes rolling) to distinguish between official and unofficial acts. GMFB. The devil is in the details. We need to push back and make sure P-EINO is held accountable for his UNOFFICIAL acts.

Does Clyburn think that the country will heal if Biden kisses P-EINO’s feet with a pardon. After the election we just had? With the future we are about to endure? I know a narcissist. You do not pardon them. THAT emboldens them. That is the LAST thing you want to do.

The cognitive dissonance is deafening right now.


Karma13612

(4,739 posts)
146. Sorry I didn't come back to you sooner!
Tue Dec 10, 2024, 10:44 AM
Dec 2024

I haven’t been checking my political forums as often lately. So glad you agree with me!

Stay strong!

Lonestarblue

(12,494 posts)
8. My first reaction was no way in hell.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:57 AM
Dec 2024

But, here’s a counter thought. Trump and Republicans have been claiming that the prosecutions were political and Trump had committed no crimes. If President Biden pardons him specifically for the crime of insurrection, document theft, and whatever else Jack Smith charged him with, could that communicate that Trump indeed committed crimes for which a pardon was granted?

In reality, Trump will now never be held accountable for his crimes. Does a pardon go on his historical record as a black mark?

choie

(5,293 posts)
18. The fact that he won't be held accountable
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:47 AM
Dec 2024

is irrelevant and does not signify that he’s guilty. It would signify to many in this country that trump was right and the prosecutions were political and not based in law.

I cannot believe that Clyburn is suggesting this. It is obscene.

FalloutShelter

(13,208 posts)
60. You have a point
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:49 AM
Dec 2024

I was under the impression that accepting a pardon was an admission of guilt.

Would that admission + the pardon free Jack Smith of any restriction on the release of everything he has? Wouldn’t it also hold harmless the J-6 Committee, because of the admission of guilt?

Just wondering if Joe is exploring this as the one real way to keep TSF from exacting revenge.

Worth a ponder.

FalloutShelter

(13,208 posts)
88. This is still being debated...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:32 PM
Dec 2024

the Supreme Court's opinion stated that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it,"

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,829 posts)
9. Clyburn is folding in advance, giving up based on presumptions. He is wrong
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:07 AM
Dec 2024

This is a big tactic of fascists: get people so afraid that they fold in advance without the fascists actually moving on them.

MaineBlueBear

(127 posts)
12. This operates as if tRump would accept
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:06 AM
Dec 2024

A pardon. He defies all norms. Rejecting a pardon would be on-brand because of the admission of guilt that accompanies all pardons

It would do nothing to deter future crimes, yet to be committed. He's been given free reign by the Supreme Court.

FBaggins

(28,063 posts)
17. He doesn't have to accept/reject it
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:42 AM
Dec 2024

The president can’t say “special limited-time offer! Must accept by Christmas or void”

Trump could just say that he appreciates the thought but has not need for it… and then sit it on a shelf until someone tries to prosecute him in four years.

And, of course, he can always pardon himself.

choie

(5,293 posts)
19. So let him pardon himself
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:49 AM
Dec 2024

We don’t have to be a party to it. I just can’t believe what I’m hearing.

ramedy

(185 posts)
13. This exactly why Democrats lose.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:12 AM
Dec 2024

Fold their cards. Act like weaklings.

Getting harder and harder to support.

Hotler

(12,933 posts)
14. Fascist sympathizers crawling out from under their desk. Where is the resistance to fascism from our team??????
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:25 AM
Dec 2024

I'm tired of losing because of lake of fight.

Vinca

(51,830 posts)
16. OMG - elected Democrats are going into mega-kumbaya mode. NO! NO PARDONS FOR TRUMP!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:33 AM
Dec 2024

Trump's a criminal and has been all his life. One of the first stories Mary Trump mentioned in her book was when Trump was a little boy and pelted a toddler in a playpen with stones. No pardons!!!!!

Icanthinkformyself

(321 posts)
21. Tired of all of the
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:11 AM
Dec 2024

Neville Chamberlains in the Democratic Party. Appeasing dictators never keeps people out of camps. I, for one, have had enough of spineless Democratic leadership. I know many others have as well. The sooner the system collapses, and it will, the sooner we can start to rebuild.

moniss

(6,874 posts)
22. Yes and I have little doubt that Clyburn and Manchin
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:17 AM
Dec 2024

would be in favor of a declaration for Richard Nixon as a national hero and maybe a billion dollars or so set aside for the purpose of "re-educating" the people and have required classroom programs to inform people about what a wonderful man he was.

everyonematters

(3,729 posts)
23. As I understand it, Trump is immune from official acts.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:17 AM
Dec 2024

That means that a court has to discern whether his actions were official acts of government or not. If not, then he can be prosecuted. The left-wing media has blown this out of proportion, and Clyburn has bought into it.

returnee

(468 posts)
29. I can't say what I think should happen...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:36 AM
Dec 2024

…to Manchin and Clyburn, and anyone else advocating a TSF pardon. Suffice it to say it would be really bad. Such an action would split the Democratic Party, I am sure.

lark

(24,775 posts)
30. NO times a million!!!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:38 AM
Dec 2024

Do not normalize treachery, hate, and lies - tsf is a criminal and deserves to be in jail right now and would be if Garland wasn't his bought and paid agent or failing that a completely idiotic person who cares nothing for America and only his own fake purity.

Mike 03

(18,313 posts)
77. That's what I want to know.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:12 PM
Dec 2024

Like most everyone else, my gut reaction was harsh and immediate. No.

But Clyburn, we are often reminded, is a "legend." What is his calculus? How does he benefit from Biden granting pardons to Trump?

I have to work so hard to arrive at some justification for a pardon for Trump: Only if Joe Biden gets something enormous, gargantuan and vast in return? Like Trump's promise not to take vengeance against these 450 some odd folks...?

But we all know Trump's promises are worthless.

If this is just a "go along to get along" strategy by Clyburn I totally oppose it!

Quanto Magnus

(1,103 posts)
90. 'Legend' or not....
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:14 PM
Dec 2024

he can still make bad, even horrible choices.....

Just like RBG and her bad decision to stay on the court longer than she should've, giving Trump a SC pick, that could've rightfully gone to Dems.

I really think big EGOs are getting in the way of smart decisions.

LymphocyteLover

(7,667 posts)
33. Apart from the ridiculous idea here, I don't think he is right about what SCOTUS said
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:43 AM
Dec 2024

there's no pre-emptive pardon for anything. WTF!!!

Traildogbob

(10,854 posts)
34. Well, did anybody
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:43 AM
Dec 2024

See the floor speech given by Texas Rep (Corbin I think) about law and order and justice and consequences for your law breaking, referring to Hunter CRIMES? I saw Kimmel play it in his monologue.
FUCK these clowns. Pardon trump, and Clyburn knows facts that were fully redacted and hidden from us when he was J6 committee head.

Ray Bruns

(5,094 posts)
36. "Democratic Rep. James Clyburn has said he supports President Joe Biden pardoning Donald Trump"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:54 AM
Dec 2024

And I think Rep Clyburn should get back on his meds

barbtries

(30,279 posts)
37. What.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:55 AM
Dec 2024

So Democrats have surrendered the rule of law as an American value? I have trouble with this.

spudspud

(587 posts)
39. WEAKSAUCE HYPOCRISY!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:05 AM
Dec 2024

This would almost guarantee that the base is depressed for upcoming mid-terms, etc., and I can only imagine how devastating that would be to the youth vote. They would rightfully see this as back stabbing, hypocrisy. And I think many voters would also conclude that Trump was right all along-- he was innocent and the Dems finally folded and admitted it by pardoning him. Arghhh.

hadEnuf

(3,072 posts)
42. A normal person might see a pardon as a peace offering no matter how morally wrong it would be to do it.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:10 AM
Dec 2024

But Trump is not a normal person. He is a fascist who is surrounding himself with more fascists and any peace offering would be turned into a weapon to further destroy his perceived enemies.

I know we would all like to hope for some relief from this nightmare, but appeasement is not going to work in the long run.

We are at war whether we like it or not. The only thing the enemy understands is force and power.

sellitman

(11,701 posts)
46. Losing the election wasn't enough?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:15 AM
Dec 2024

Now we must watch assholes like this kiss the ring?

FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!

BootinUp

(49,547 posts)
47. Clyburn is messing with people, don't
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:18 AM
Dec 2024

mistake what he is doing here. Instead of pardons he wants to talk about the Supreme Court and Trump cases.

Mike 03

(18,313 posts)
79. I sure wish you would expand on this.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:15 PM
Dec 2024

I feel like you may have figured this out in some way, but I don't understand.

BootinUp

(49,547 posts)
86. Briefly
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:25 PM
Dec 2024

He is not serious about convincing Biden, the one person that needs to be convinced, to pardon the asshole. He is merely discussing it hypothetically and bringing up other things people should know, if they do not. Cya.

-misanthroptimist

(1,289 posts)
48. I sort of agree
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:19 AM
Dec 2024

By pardoning him, you are giving him something. He didn't beat the system. Democrats forgave him. It sucks, but imo it's better than the alternative.

By having it all thrown out he can claim he was a victim.

David Boyle

(732 posts)
53. Rec for thoughtfulness, even if one disagrees
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:28 AM
Dec 2024

The federal charges may be revivable after Trump's term, though.

-misanthroptimist

(1,289 posts)
71. Two points:
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:47 AM
Dec 2024

After his term may not come. I don't think he has any intention of leaving.

But even if there is an end to his term, I have zero doubt that he'd pardon himself.

Mike 03

(18,313 posts)
82. Oh, I think I get it
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:18 PM
Dec 2024

The act of pardoning him is actually a sort of power play in itself. Is that close to your thinking?

For Trump to accept help from anybody is against his code of zero-sum encounters between people. This is actually a gesture that weakens him, because he is in the uncomfortable position of accepting something he needs from someone he regards as an "enemy"?

We are into the realm of psychology and power plays?

JohnSJ

(98,278 posts)
50. F**K this bullshit. The sociopath tried to overthrow the government for gosh sakes. Between those Democrats upset
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:24 AM
Dec 2024

that President Biden pardoned his son, and this garbage, while I ill continue to vote Democratic, I am very much inclined to never give another dime to the Democrats until they get their heads screwed on right.


Wuddles440

(1,671 posts)
55. With "leadership" like this...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:38 AM
Dec 2024

is the reason the Democratic Party runs the risk of being banished to the outer limits of the political waste land for decades. Total capitulation reflects absolute weakness, lack of commitment, and absence of any principles or value system. It's time for a major housecleaning to replace this tired, old guard with some young blood who are willing to take a stand and fight. If anyone should be pardoned, it's those whom have been identified as "enemies" by Old King Drumpf.

Aviation91

(122 posts)
58. Not A Good Idea!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:48 AM
Dec 2024

SCOTUS has already given Trump immunity! Joe Biden does not need to do anything!

xocetaceans

(4,095 posts)
61. Clyburn must either be a moron or a coward if he thinks that Biden pardoning Trump, the insurrectionist, is reasonable.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:49 AM
Dec 2024

With Democrats like that, who needs Republicans or MAGAs?

bluestarone

(19,344 posts)
63. Another shooting ourselves in the foot moment!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:50 AM
Dec 2024

Sure seems to me that a big problem with Democrats is, we can NEVER stick together like RETHUGS. WE continue to hurt ourselves!

Dem4life1970

(760 posts)
66. No
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:00 AM
Dec 2024

Do not pardon him. The SCOTUS's unconstitutional and outrageous immunity ruling still posits that only "Official" acts are immune. A future DOJ can certainly pick up his criminal activity and charge him in the future.

David Boyle

(732 posts)
67. Yes, and not even all official acts are immune,
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:04 AM
Dec 2024

, but some are only presumptively immune, I hear.

Turbineguy

(38,922 posts)
70. Trump will fuck the country if he doesn't get off.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:42 AM
Dec 2024

he will fuck the country less if he gets off.

Maybe.

Supply-Side Justice.

republianmushroom

(19,278 posts)
73. Another one that thinks if he sucks up to the convicted felon
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:16 PM
Dec 2024

And kisses him between his orange cheeks, he will get a cabinet position.

RobinA

(10,289 posts)
75. That's Some Strange Logic
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:03 PM
Dec 2024

The SC did what it did. No need for anyone's fingerprints to be on their bid for a monarchy.

kirby

(4,501 posts)
76. He is wrong...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:09 PM
Dec 2024

Clyburn said: "Yes, I could, absolutely. Because the Supreme Court has pretty much made it very clear, that he is preemptively pardoned of anything he may do as president."

Well stealing classified documents AFTER leaving office and fomenting an insurrection are not things he did as president.

dchill

(41,793 posts)
78. Joe Biden is NOT going to pardon Trump.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:12 PM
Dec 2024

And most of the crimes committed by Trump were NOT official acts committed while he was president. So, I'm here-by telling James Clyburn to "Step Off!"

hotellanai1986

(160 posts)
83. Hmmm... When Political People Change Course Drastically, It Usually Boils Down To...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:19 PM
Dec 2024

TSF has unveiled some heretofore unleashed blackmail on the person. Hear me out on my hypothesis: Mr. Clyburn, a man of upstanding character, is the target of a blackmail scheme. He, like Romney, is a family man with children and grandchildren, and it appears he fears the potential consequences of this information becoming public. It has been alleged that TSF obtained compromising material from Putin, who reportedly acquired it during a widely publicized hack of Democrats' emails. Although Republicans' emails were also compromised in this incident, the media did not give it the same level of attention. TSF, despite a history of unrestrained behavior, has shown unusual restraint in using this information sparingly, deploying it only when deemed necessary. It appears now that Mr. Clyburn has become the focus of TSF's attention. Like Romney, Clyburn may be acting to shield his family from a potential scandal. However, the most effective way to combat blackmail is to expose it publicly, revealing both the information and the attempt itself. However, it is understandable that someone might choose to yield to such pressure.

kerouac2

(1,133 posts)
91. Force the mo fo to pardon himself.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:25 PM
Dec 2024

I mean, gimme a break. If trump is going to get a pardon, make him do it himself. And manchin can just go tf away.

GoreWon2000

(1,358 posts)
92. Letting election stealing Bush brothers off the hook
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:27 PM
Dec 2024

is how we got to Trump. All of Trump's 2020 election stealing tactics including January 6th came from the election stealing road map that the Bush brothers created in Florida in 2000. Manchin and Clyburn are out of their minds wanting to pardon election stealer, convicted felon Trump.

Mz Pip

(28,047 posts)
99. If the thought is
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:23 PM
Dec 2024

that pardoning Trump will make him less likely to go on his revenge and retribution tour then forget about it.
Making nice will just be seen as weakness.

Omnipresent

(6,794 posts)
102. Pardon him?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:42 PM
Dec 2024

Is that code for “make trump mysteriously disappear”?
If that’s the case, you won’t get any argument out of me!

24601

(4,062 posts)
138. Can you lay out a reasonable cause and effect? The 1976 election was sufficiently close to infer that the Nixon pardon
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:25 PM
Dec 2024

made a significant enough difference to elect Carter.

Between 1976 and 2016 & 2024, there are far too many other variables to argue it brought us Trump.

doc03

(37,630 posts)
139. I think not prosicuting Nixon for his crimes
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:49 PM
Dec 2024

emboldened Trump. That proved that like Nixon said, if the president does it it is not a crime. I even saw a post here saying Biden should pardon Trump.

IzzaNuDay

(915 posts)
110. Oh hell to the no, Clyburn!
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:07 PM
Dec 2024

A pardon only means that dotard will continue to exact revenge.

But I am willing to gamble had the dotard's actions taken place 100-150 years ago, he would have been under a tombstone rotting in a grave.
His sorry ass would have been executed for treason and high crimes.

Deminpenn

(16,678 posts)
112. The time to dangle a pardon was
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:13 PM
Dec 2024

two years or so ago. I would bet that if Biden had offered Trump a deal to pardon him or to drop the federal charges in return for Trump dropping out of the presidential race and signing a binding agreement never to run for elective office again, Trump would've taken it.

After all, Trump's entire reason for running for president was to stay out of jail.

Deminpenn

(16,678 posts)
136. Secondary, imho
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:14 PM
Dec 2024

Trump doesn't have to be president to grift or indulge in graft.

But he did need to be president to make the federal charges go away.

C0RI0LANUS

(3,015 posts)
113. Here is the pardon which POTUS Joseph R. Biden can read aloud on international TV:
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:59 PM
Dec 2024

"Now, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Donald J. Trump for all offenses against the United States such as insurrection, treachery, business fraud, sexual misconduct, draft evasion, being an unregistered agent of the Russian government, tax avoidance, graft, voter suppression, mishandling classified information, slander, libel, and racial discrimination, which he, Donald J. Trump, has heinously committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from June 14, 1946 through January 19, 2025.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this tenth day of December, in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty--four."

JOSEPH R. BIDEN



Just like President Gerald R. Ford pardoning Richard M. Nixon on national TV (8 Sep 1974).

C0RI0LANUS

(3,015 posts)
118. Thanks, Dave. Note Pres. Biden included 'graft' in the hypothetical pardon.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:49 AM
Dec 2024


Napoleon was so egotistical, at his coronation he rudely swiped the crown from a shocked Pope to anoint himself Emperor of Europe:

"Nobody gave me Europe! Not you! Not God. Me! Me! I took it! Me!"

Fast-forward to today's orange shit-gibbon blighting our senses:

"Nobody gave me America! I won it! Me! Me! I won!"

So here's your pardon, Mr. President-elect. Just don't say Democrats never gave you anything.

(And President Biden gets to read it out loud on TV).

David Boyle

(732 posts)
124. Just thinking - maybe Trump is sorta like Shakespeare's...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:44 AM
Dec 2024

Coriolanus!
(January 6 was like Corio turning on Rome)

Now THAT's a mind-blower.

C0RI0LANUS

(3,015 posts)
127. Good point, Dave, but Coriolanus lead Volscians against Rome and repented at the end of the play.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:06 AM
Dec 2024

Consider the Earl of Essex for a 6 Jan analog because he led his fellow Englishmen (and some Scots and Irish) in his failed putsch.



BTW: I posted an OP in the ISR/PSE Issue Forum.

C0RI0LANUS

(3,015 posts)
137. Trumpf is more akin to vile Richard III or treacherous MacBeth usurping the throne, but your point is well made.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:22 PM
Dec 2024






Startint

(4 posts)
120. No!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:13 AM
Dec 2024

Don’t you get it?
They don’t care! They don’t give a shit! All this cutesy, coy listing of his supposed crimes, the nuance will just go right over their heads!
Just…. No! Bad idea! No!

C0RI0LANUS

(3,015 posts)
125. Ten-Four, the pardon is not going to happen. But, did you read the hypothetical pardon I drafted?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:53 AM
Dec 2024

You must admit Joe reading that on national TV would have been a field goal kick into #45's groin.

Startint

(4 posts)
119. Meh.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:55 AM
Dec 2024

Beginning to wonder - is it Clyburn the legend or clyburn the broken clock.
(He may have been lucky to be right a couple of times but this time he’s definitely wrong!)

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