'This is a Warning': Elizabeth Warren Says CEO Murder a Message That People Can Only 'Be Pushed So Far'

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: MEDIAite

Dec 11th, 2024, 10:11 am


Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) condemned the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, but also said the killing and “visceral” response to it should serve as a warning about an industry that is failing Americans on Tuesday.

“The visceral response from people across this country who feel cheated, ripped off, and threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies should be a warning to everyone in the health care system,” Warren told The Huffington Post on Tuesday when discussing those who have actually rallied behind Thompson’s suspected killer, 26-year-old Luigi Mangione.

While the senator stressed that violence is “never the answer,” she also warned that people can only “be pushed so far.”

“Violence is never the answer, but people can be pushed only so far,” she said. “This is a warning that if you push people hard enough, they lose faith in the ability of their government to make change, lose faith in the ability of the people who are providing the health care to make change, and start to take matters into their own hands in ways that will ultimately be a threat to everyone.”

Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/this-is-a-warning-elizabeth-warren-says-ceo-murder-a-message-that-people-can-only-be-pushed-so-far/

[al bupp]

1. Besides the fact that violence is routinely considered the answer

I agree w/ Ms Warren.

[The Grand Illuminist]

9. It is the answer of last resort.

Since everything that was civil and peace are used up, there are no other options.

[Clouds Passing]

12. And the additional facts that dump & co have repeatedly publicly called for violence.

[elleng]

2. 'Krista Monroe, a former UnitedHealthcare employee who says she worked under CEO Brian Thompson

in the Medicare department, shared a scathing account of the company’s internal practices in a now-viral video. Monroe alleges that the company’s policies were designed to maximize profits at the expense of patients, particularly the elderly. Her experience shines a light on how insurance companies exploit systemic flaws to deny essential care and leave patients struggling to survive.

“They would deny almost everything immediately, right, with very little to valid reason,” Monroe revealed in her video. “A lot of it was they banked on the fact that a lot of people were elderly, and if they made the process difficult enough, they would just say screw it and either pay for it or not get the service.”'

https://polinews.org/apparent-employee-of-united-healthcare-shares-her-experience-working-for-ceo-brian-thompson-in-medicare-department/?

[Evolve Dammit]

4. K&R.

[Baron2024]

44. Note To Elleng

This is a real good post and link that you made. You should really post it as a new thread. More people need to hear this.

[elleng]

45. Thanks, I agree. Have posted it several times,

and will post it separately, as it's own OP.

[Baron2024]

46. Cool

I will look for the OP.

[dalton99a]

49. +1

[multigraincracker]

3. When the poor get hungry......

They will eat the rich.

[Buns_of_Fire]

5. I think my imaginary company ("Pitchforks 'R' Us") will probably

be resurrecting our dormant line of "Millionaire Marinades". ("Trump a l'Orange" had possibilities, but who in hell wants to clean one of those things?)

[Jerry2144]

8. You clean one of those things

And remove all the shit, you’re just left with a long, red tie. Nothing to eat

[Magoo48]

34. Yup, then camp out on their lawns and swim in their pools.

[Jack Valentino]

39. 'the secret is in the sauce'...

[Bengus81]

6. Anyone see AARP chime in on this? After all UHC is their "chosen one" for a healthcare org..has been for years and years

Let's see where they come down on all of this. Decrying the violence is one thing,how about addressing the other AARP.

[Demobrat]

13. I would like to know how much UHC

paid them for the use of their branding, which is all it is.

[Elessar Zappa]

7. She speaks the truth.

[Demobrat]

10. Is it okay when she says it?

Just wondering.

[speak easy]

18. 'when she says' what?

[Demobrat]

22. What she said in the article.

[speak easy]

23. Which is?

An excerpt?

[Demobrat]

24. I am sure you can read

[speak easy]

25. Quote something,

anything.

[speak easy]

26. um ... ?

[Cirsium]

27. Here you go

“The visceral response from people across this country who feel cheated, ripped off, and threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies should be a warning to everyone in the health care system.”

“Violence is never the answer, but people can be pushed only so far. This is a warning that if you push people hard enough, they lose faith in the ability of their government to make change, lose faith in the ability of the people who are providing the health care to make change, and start to take matters into their own hands in ways that will ultimately be a threat to everyone.”

Hope that helps.

[speak easy]

29. And that is not OK to say,

(on DU), in what respect? The issue, not the words.

[Cirsium]

36. I think it is OK

I don't have a problem with what Senator Warren said. However, when DU members have said virtually the exact same things there have been objections.

[elias7]

50. I think a closer perusal of the posts you refer to vs Warren's language, there's a subtle yet significant distinction

At least I’m picking that up…

[Cirsium]

52. Double standard?

Rank and file Democrats are held to a much higher standard than the party leadership figures and office holders are. Punching down is OK, punching up not so much. Which come to think of it is kind of the problem with the whole country. Of course, people have different opinions as to just whom to kick and whom to be kicked by and we call those different opinions different "political ideologies."

[berniesandersmittens]

11. I stand with Warren and the Persisterhood.

She's one of the few Democrats who have been at least *trying to speak to us - the base.

The Persisterhood lives.

[Demobrat]

14. Yes. She is not afraid, has never been afraid,

and will never be afraid of those motherfuckers.

[Cirsium]

15. Good thing she isn't on DU

If she posted that here she would be accused of condoning murder.

[Lulu KC]

30. I don't think she crossed that line n/t

[Buddyzbuddy]

16. The Senator is right as usual.

You know who else knows she right? The CEO's on wanted flyers going up in NYC. First they came for the CEO's then they came for the billionaires then...

[Aviation Pro]

17. But apparently, Senators and Congressmen just let shit slide in deference to Motherfucker

Amirite, Warren?

I'm sick and tired of this weak shit.

[Aussie105]

19. In a sane world! Violence is never the answer!

Lissy Warren - you presume too much. Is it a sane world?

Medical decisions wouldn't be left up to the non-medical bean counters of any company with a profit motive at the forefront of their decision making.

An independent medical board would make any such decisions, but they would need to be perfectly honest in their decision making.
And be watched for any efforts at undue influence - like brown paper envelopes with wads of cash appearing mysteriously in their letter boxes.

'Violence is never the answer' is the current catch cry. Sure, give us some viable non-violent alternatives then!

But it's an idealistic and unreal suggestion - it is very much the 'answer' in the current unrest in the Middle East, Ukraine and every war since the dawn of time.
Death and destruction can be the answer of first resort or last resort. It depends on the question being asked.
It depends on the availability of workable and non-violent alternatives.

[cer7711]

20. She didn't justify the murder; she correctly analyzed the reason for it.

Let's not confuse analysis with justification, please.

[Aussie105]

21. That she did.

Might have been better if she made the next logical step, to offer viable and non-violent alternatives.
People have been waiting for that. For a long time. And getting impatient.

But . . . crickets chirping loudly!

The 'no, you must not resort to violence, just suck it up!' from a lot of people doesn't sit right.
Of course the people who say that aren't ever likely to experience the problem. No one wealthy enough ever will.

[Shermann]

31. She didn't go so far as to justify the shooting but is rebroadcasting the message of the shooter in a way. nt

[Lulu KC]

28. She knows how to say it just right

Love her.

[Omnipresent]

32. "People can only be pushed so far",is so true

I hope they do the right thing, before it’s too late.

[Demobrat]

35. They won't.

They have too much to lose.

[Aussie105]

33. Is universal health care so hard to do?

Other countries seem to run their health systems as organizations that are not for profit, look after people as the first and only priority, quite well.

Why is it so hard in the USA?

There are a lot of public services that shouldn't be run on a profit motive.
Would you run the army, navy, air force and law enforcement as for-profit organisations?

[BumRushDaShow]

37. "Why is it so hard in the USA?"

One reason - they don't want to pay a (national) VAT (tax) to do so.

[Demobrat]

38. Insurance companies are a powerful lobby.

Lots of people work for them. Try to cut them out and you won’t hear “but profits”. You’ll hear “but jobs”.

[BumRushDaShow]

41. Of course

unless they are transferred over to the government for a "job" (doing claims)... but that's not what the GOP wants.

[Demobrat]

42. No. That wouldn't help the guys at the top

getting cut out of their billions.

[BumRushDaShow]

43. Exactly

They want to "deconstruct the administrative state" and essentially reproduce the "fiefdoms" that their immigrant ancestors fled (thinking that this time they would be "in charge" ).

[GreenWave]

40. What would Steppenwolf say about these addictive and/or expensive pill pushers?

Well, now if I were the president of this land
You know, I'd declare total war on the pusher man
I'd cut him if he stands, and I'd shoot him if he'd run
Yes, I'd kill him with my Bible and my razor and my gun

God damn, oh, the pusher
God damn the pusher
I said God damn
God damn the pusher man...

[Minnie the Hoosier]

51. Steppenwolf didn't say that

Hoyt Axton said that. Steppenwolf repeated it in an inferior cover, just like they did with Axton's far superior original Snowblind Friend.

Nobody ever did one of Axton's songs better than he did, but Axton himself actually made a better Lay Lady Lay than even Bob Dylan, on 1976's Fearless.

[orangecrush]

47. K&R

[dalton99a]

48. Kick