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Omaha Steve

(103,876 posts)
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 06:58 AM Dec 25

Azerbaijani airliner with 67 people onboard crashes in Kazakhstan leaving 32 survivors

Source: AP

By KATIE MARIE DAVIES and DASHA LITVINOVA
Updated 5:45 AM CST, December 25, 2024

An Azerbaijani airliner with 67 people onboard crashed Wednesday near the Kazakhstani city of Aktau, leaving at least 32 survivors, according to officials. More than 30 people may be dead.

The plane was en route from the Azerbaijani capital of Baku to the Russian city of Grozny in the North Caucasus.

Kazakhstan’s Emergency Ministry said in a Telegram statement that those on board included five crew. A total of 29 survivors, including two children, have been hospitalized, the ministry told Russia’s state news agency, RIA Novosti.

Another Russian news agency, Interfax quoted medical workers as saying that four bodies have been recovered and emergency workers at the scene as saying that both pilots, according to a preliminary assessment, died in the crash.



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/azerbaijan-airliner-crash-kazakhstan-aktau-a655474030a347a5a7ddda3a77bbeddc

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Azerbaijani airliner with 67 people onboard crashes in Kazakhstan leaving 32 survivors (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 25 OP
... 2naSalit Dec 25 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Dennis Donovan Dec 25 #2
Video of the aircraft accident Dennis Donovan Dec 25 #3
Wow EarlG Dec 25 #4
Good question. It looks as if the pilots were fighting to keep the aircraft level. Dennis Donovan Dec 25 #7
I think the plane's route is wrong or something! Cuz how did it end up in Kazakhstan? LeftInTX Dec 25 #5
It diverted Yonnie3 Dec 25 #6
New evidence this was a result of Russian fire mainer Dec 25 #8
Yeah, blame the birds Lulu KC Dec 25 #9
No radio message bluestarone Dec 25 #10
Adam Kinzinger now calling it a Russian shutdown mainer Dec 25 #11
UK Guardian cites speculation it was Russian air defense shootdown mainer Dec 25 #12
I wouldn't expect that the damage shown Old Crank Dec 25 #13
Looks like another Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (ie shot down by Russian air defense) EX500rider Dec 25 #14
More info from an ex military analyst/computer guy... mitch96 Dec 27 #15

Response to 2naSalit (Reply #1)

EarlG

(22,645 posts)
4. Wow
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:32 AM
Dec 25

Some kind of severe mechanical issue? If so, the pilots probably did all they could. Unbelievable that anyone survived that, let alone half the passengers.

Dennis Donovan

(27,862 posts)
7. Good question. It looks as if the pilots were fighting to keep the aircraft level.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:32 AM
Dec 25

From what I've read, there was a bird strike. If the strike was to the controls of the aircraft, it would explain their difficulty in controlling it.

LeftInTX

(30,989 posts)
5. I think the plane's route is wrong or something! Cuz how did it end up in Kazakhstan?
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:03 AM
Dec 25

It was headed west to Chechen, but went down on other side of the Caspian sea?




Yonnie3

(18,237 posts)
6. It diverted
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:22 AM
Dec 25

From the linked AP story in the OP https://apnews.com/article/azerbaijan-airliner-crash-kazakhstan-aktau-a655474030a347a5a7ddda3a77bbeddc

RIA Novosti quoted Russia’s civil aviation authority, Rosaviatsia, as saying that preliminary information showed that the pilot had chosen to divert to Kazakhstan’s Aktau after a bird strike on the aircraft led to “an emergency situation on board”.


Perhaps the pilots thought being over water was better than land during their energency.

mainer

(12,218 posts)
8. New evidence this was a result of Russian fire
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:56 PM
Dec 25

Photos of downed aircraft show what appear to be bullet holes in the fuselage.
All the speculation about "birdstrike" are coming from Russian agencies.


bluestarone

(18,437 posts)
10. No radio message
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:20 PM
Dec 25

Stating that they were shot at? Seems strange that there was damage there before.

mainer

(12,218 posts)
11. Adam Kinzinger now calling it a Russian shutdown
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:34 PM
Dec 25

There's interior video from a passenger showing damage before the plane went down.

https://bsky.app/profile/adamkinzinger.bsky.social/post/3le5hydmr6c22


Adam Kinzinger
‪@adamkinzinger.bsky.social‬
Russia shot down another airliner, on Christmas

Stop russia

mainer

(12,218 posts)
12. UK Guardian cites speculation it was Russian air defense shootdown
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:42 PM
Dec 25

"There was speculation in Russian media that the plane could have been shot down by Russian air defences, which mistook it for a Ukrainian drone.

The Fighterbomber Telegram channel, believed to be run by Capt Ilya Tumanov of the Russian army, released a clip showing what appeared to be holes, which some suggested resembled the kind of damage caused by shelling or an explosion with shrapnel.

Fighterbomber said it was unlikely that the holes were caused by a bird strike."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/25/kazakhstan-plane-crash-aktau-azerbaijan-airlines-baku-grozny-fog-chechnya

Old Crank

(5,043 posts)
13. I wouldn't expect that the damage shown
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 03:07 PM
Dec 25

would be from a bird strike. That would have been on a leading edge not a trailing edge.

Wonder what other damage there was.

Saw video clips on the subway on the way home. The pilots did a good job saving almost half the pasengers.

EX500rider

(11,611 posts)
14. Looks like another Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (ie shot down by Russian air defense)
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 06:27 PM
Dec 25

Looks like shrapnel damage in the tail severed hydraulics/control link leaving the pilots with only throttles to control the plane, like JAL Flight 123.

Damage:

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