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BumRushDaShow

(144,779 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 05:36 AM Dec 29

US Norovirus Surge Worst in a Decade: How to Treat 'Stomach Flu' Sickness

Source: Newsweek

Published Dec 28, 2024 at 6:10 PM EST


A severe outbreak of norovirus, the stomach flu, is surging across the United States as it has reached its highest levels for this time of year in over a decade, according to the latest data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Newsweek has reached out to the CDC via email for comment.

Why It Matters

Norovirus, the leading cause of foodborne illness in the U.S., is a highly contagious virus responsible for nearly 58 percent of foodborne infections annually, according to the CDC. A tiny dose of just 10 viral particles can make a person ill, making it one of the most easily transmissible pathogens. In addition, there are about 2,500 norovirus outbreaks reported annually in the U.S.

The infection manifests suddenly, with symptoms such as vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, stomach pain, headaches, body aches, and fever. While most people recover within one to three days, the virus takes a significant toll, leading to an estimated 109,000 hospitalizations and 900 deaths annually in the U.S., particularly among older adults and young children.

What To Know

According to the CDC, during the week of December 5 alone, 91 outbreaks were reported—an alarming increase from the 69 recorded in late November. This rise surpasses previous seasonal records, which topped out at 65 outbreaks during the same period in recent years. This marks the largest number of cases during this period since at least 2012. This data, sourced from only 15 states, also suggests prevalence may be even higher.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/us-stomach-flu-surge-worst-decade-how-treat-norovirus-2007056

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US Norovirus Surge Worst in a Decade: How to Treat 'Stomach Flu' Sickness (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 29 OP
I will add that alcohol hand sanitizers do not kill norovirus or other non-enveloped viruses. WASH w soap/water! hlthe2b Dec 29 #1
I received a notice about that Moderna trial... Hugin Dec 29 #2
I think if you are in the control group and the product works multigraincracker Dec 29 #3
Walter Reed has been working on a "pan-coronavirus" vaccine since the pandemic with promising results PSPS Dec 29 #8
Yes. I have been following that. Though this is for Coronaviruses only hlthe2b Dec 29 #12
We just had it spinbaby Dec 29 #4
There is a lingering respiratory, head cold, coughing, mucus thing Historic NY Dec 29 #5
Ive had that since mid November. Finally shook it just before Xmas. Was on an antibiotic for a month Cheezoholic Dec 29 #10
Stomach Flu. Damn I Hate That Labeling. GB_RN Dec 29 #6
I'm with you flu is a totally different thing LetsGetSmartAboutIt Dec 29 #7
This is why I will never go on a cruise Freddie Dec 29 #9
Re: "stomach flu"- For decades the medical and scientific community has tried to get the media to stop referring to ALL hlthe2b Dec 29 #13
Informative! Thank you. mahina Dec 29 #14
Thanks! GB_RN Dec 29 #19
Thank you! Bluebelle76 Dec 29 #16
Thanks! GB_RN Dec 29 #18
Thanks for ranting so I didn't have to. Easterncedar Dec 29 #20
For Sure! GB_RN Dec 30 #23
I always thought that "stomach flu" was a euphemism for diarrhea for when you call in sick. CTyankee Dec 30 #24
Yeah... GB_RN Dec 30 #26
well, it works fine in the "call in sick" euphemism. Nobody wants you around anyway! CTyankee Dec 30 #28
Bacteria and viruses are getting ready for trump2 Turbineguy Dec 29 #11
I'm visiting my mother in law in Arizona and we went to a place called the Arizona broadwalk kimbutgar Dec 29 #15
My elderly parents Unladen Swallow Dec 29 #17
How to treat norovirus disease if you get it? Batshit_Bruin_CA Dec 30 #21
Wouldn't that be a question for your primary care provider? CTyankee Dec 30 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Batshit_Bruin_CA Dec 30 #22
I have had this stuff Jilly_in_VA Dec 30 #27

hlthe2b

(106,995 posts)
1. I will add that alcohol hand sanitizers do not kill norovirus or other non-enveloped viruses. WASH w soap/water!
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 05:53 AM
Dec 29

and do so regularly and vigorously. Yes, most surface disinfectants (quaternary ammonia products, for example) do inactivate, but you can't use these on the skin. Soap and water regularly and vigorously. And be aware that uncooked/foods not meant to be cooked and handled by others can readily transmit.

For those interested a clinical trial is in process for a Moderna vaccine, but that may be a heavy lift. Norovirus, like Coronaviruses evolve/mutate quickly, though the latter is more readily inactivated with hand sanitizers, given they are enveloped viruses.

Hugin

(34,868 posts)
2. I received a notice about that Moderna trial...
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 06:44 AM
Dec 29

Somewhere in the back of my mind I recalled the fact you cited about the norovirus having a high mutation rate. I am still considering going with the trial because of my frequent trips into dormitory environments. Every little bit helps. With my luck, I’d end up in the control group.

Good point about the cross contamination. I’m always chiding the baggers in my life not to put the produce in with the meat. It’s a bad idea in every case, not only for the norovirus. Actually, they are generally receptive to the advice and have become more circumspect with their handling. A win.

multigraincracker

(34,461 posts)
3. I think if you are in the control group and the product works
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:28 AM
Dec 29

you’ll be first to get the treatment.

hlthe2b

(106,995 posts)
12. Yes. I have been following that. Though this is for Coronaviruses only
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:13 AM
Dec 29

and Noroviruses are Caliciviridae, so there would not be cross-over protection-- for any following our discussion who are confused... But success in one area often seeds possibilities in others.

That said, I am very interested in the Coronavirus vaccinology literature. Like Influenza viruses, which likewise mutate constantly, a vaccine not specific to any specific variant would be fantastic. But, work on the latter has been a rollercoaster of potential successes that meet up against complexities. Still, it will come...

Historic NY

(38,120 posts)
5. There is a lingering respiratory, head cold, coughing, mucus thing
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:54 AM
Dec 29

going on also. I've been dealing with since Dec 8th. Its better finished a z-pac but its still there.

Cheezoholic

(2,655 posts)
10. Ive had that since mid November. Finally shook it just before Xmas. Was on an antibiotic for a month
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:36 AM
Dec 29

as I had a consistent fever for 3 weeks. It went up and down between 99 and 103. I have a bad heart so Doc was really concerned. Tested me for everything under the sun they could and couldn't figure out an exact cause. A lot of folks in my area have had the same thing, it lasts and won't go away. My fever finally broke just before Xmas after my second Z-Pac. Had all my vaccines back in early October ut they can't get them all. I agree, there's some strange critter floating around out there this winter!

GB_RN

(3,245 posts)
6. Stomach Flu. Damn I Hate That Labeling.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 08:04 AM
Dec 29

There’s no such thing as “stomach flu.”
Flu, short for influenza, is an illness caused by the influenza virus, and is an upper respiratory tract infection, just like the common cold. The URT consists of the nose (nasal cavity and nostrils), sinuses, mouth, pharynx (upper throat), and larynx (voice box. Pronounced lair-inks, not lair-nicks).

Lower URT infections, like bronchitis and pneumonia, affect everything below the larynx. Main stem bronchus through the lungs.

Norovirus (and other, similar infections), is an upper gastrointestinal (digestive) tract infection. Those diseases affect the stomach and upper portion of the small intestine. Lower GI infections affect the GI tract below that point. Examples would be amoebic dysentery, and C. difficile (aka, C. diff). These cause large bowel inflammation and usually, diarrhea. Bad and I mean awful cases of diarrhea. C. diff has a unique odor (and consistency - looks like it’s full of seeds), and an ICU nurse can tell a C. diff infection just from that odor.

Maybe I’m being particular, or maybe it’s my OCD, but I hate when something is labeled incorrectly.

Thanks for listening to my TED Talk! 😁

7. I'm with you flu is a totally different thing
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 08:20 AM
Dec 29

Maybe stomach flu is just a simple way to say it was a stomach thing that is transmissible to people who don't look too deeply into such things.

People know what it means, it's miserable, I'd take regular flu any day, and maybe they will wash their hands to avoid it.

Was interesting that the hand sanitizers do not work well against it, another big fail on cruise ships where it is a big problem if it gets on board. Communal eating is a great way to spread it ! But there is hand sanitizer there not helping at every turn ! At least on the one cruise I've ever been on, and most likely my last.
Not my thing.



Freddie

(9,759 posts)
9. This is why I will never go on a cruise
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:31 AM
Dec 29

Floating germ factory.
I have emetophobia (fear/intense hatred of vomiting) and norovirus is my worst nightmare. Trials for vaccines? Sign me up!

hlthe2b

(106,995 posts)
13. Re: "stomach flu"- For decades the medical and scientific community has tried to get the media to stop referring to ALL
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 29

infectious agents--whether a common bacterial agent like Strep (strep throat infections) or Tuberculosis or Lyme Disease--it never failed to have it lumped in as a "virus." And, of course, to understand fungal infectious, or gawd forbid PRION diseases... The press once had medical correspondents and editors. They are rapidly disappearing as "news" becomes entertainment and budgets are diverted to the latest celebrity gossip. (Don't get me started... )

So, I guess we are destined to the conflation of influenza in this manner for some time to come.

mahina

(19,153 posts)
14. Informative! Thank you.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:31 AM
Dec 29

Odd to have never heard or read this till your very good post!

GB_RN

(3,245 posts)
19. Thanks!
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 10:08 PM
Dec 29

A lot of people take a bit of umbrage when they’re corrected, so many times it’s just not worth the effort of the doc/NP/PA or RN to say anything. Think: “I need antibiotics! I have a cold.” 🙄 Try and tell that person that antibiotics won’t help and they get pissed and say something along the lines of, “Well, my last doctor gave them to me,” and then they file a complaint against you because you were arrogant/rude and unhelpful. 🤦‍♂️

I can’t tell you the number of patient charts I see that have, say, opioids under medication allergies. But the effect is “nausea” or “makes me sleepy.” Makes you scream. “Holy f***ing shit! That’s not an allergy, that’s a known side effect!” An actual allergy would be itching, skin redness, hives or anaphylaxis.
I’ve only seen this once, but a patient claimed to be allergic to epinephrine (aka, “epi to us medical professionals) which is colloquially known as…”adrenaline.” Her allergic response? “Makes my heart race.” Yeah, no. Just…no. 1) you can’t be allergic to epinephrine. It’s your own body’s natural adrenal glands’ secretion during stress responses❗️2) it’s SUPPOSED to make your heart rate increase (see 1), and 3) it’s the drug we give for anaphylactic reactions to actual allergies; Epi-pen, anyone? It’s used in other situations, as well.

Try telling a patient that they don’t have (or in the case of epi, can’t have) an allergic response to xxxx, and (in many cases) see what happens. Not a lot of fun for us. 🙄😡🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Easterncedar

(3,684 posts)
20. Thanks for ranting so I didn't have to.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:08 PM
Dec 29

I think precision matters in this subject especially.

GB_RN

(3,245 posts)
23. For Sure!
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 07:50 AM
Dec 30

Why should we be less precise in our language than we are in making Rx dosages. Imprecision in either one can be deadly.

And thanks!

CTyankee

(65,382 posts)
24. I always thought that "stomach flu" was a euphemism for diarrhea for when you call in sick.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 12:58 PM
Dec 30

When I was still working I used to hear that and shudder.

kimbutgar

(23,687 posts)
15. I'm visiting my mother in law in Arizona and we went to a place called the Arizona broadwalk
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:45 AM
Dec 29

And in one of the venues the owner told me that a bad stomach flu is going around. I feel ok as we have not eaten out and have cooked our own food but I am going to be extra careful before I leave tomorrow.

Unladen Swallow

(330 posts)
17. My elderly parents
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:03 PM
Dec 29

just finished with this stuff and it was a long, hard-fought road. Mom had it the worst it seemed. My better half had something similar a week ago, but it only lasted a day or two. So far all I've gotten this "season" is some sort of upper respiratory thing that lingered in my head for a few weeks. I don't do vaccines of any kind, and I only get sick every couple years. Knock on wood.

Batshit_Bruin_CA

(64 posts)
21. How to treat norovirus disease if you get it?
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:27 AM
Dec 30

What OTC items should we have on hand?
best beverages to treat potential electrolyte disturbAnces and dehydration? And to prevent low blood sugar during the siege of vomiting and/or diarrhea?
My understanding is that a lot of family remedies aren't really that helpful?
What is best foods to begin eating once the symptoms subside? E.g. boiled rice and rice water. Bananas ? Applesauce? Broth? Campbells chicken noodle soup?

Really, I would like to know.
Once symptoms appear it's a bit late, and maybe not possible, to be running to the pharmacy with shopping list.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Jilly_in_VA

(11,202 posts)
27. I have had this stuff
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 01:49 PM
Dec 30

and it is hell on earth. Idk where I got it, probably at the hospital where I was working at the time or maybe from Panera where I ate that evening. All I know is that I ended up lying on the floor on a pillow between the bedroom and the bathroom all night and into the next day. I was so sick I didn't think I'd make it. My now husband (we were courting then) came up and brought me Sprite, ginger ale, and chicken broth. Unfortunately, he carried it home with him and was sick as hell for several days too. Neither one of us wants to have it ever again.Just another reason for staying off cruise ships.

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