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BumRushDaShow

(144,778 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:46 PM Tuesday

Chip Roy on Johnson: 'I don't believe he has the votes'

Source: The Hill

12/31/24 11:05 AM ET


Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) said Tuesday that Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) does not have the votes to keep the gavel and that he remains undecided on whether he can support the Louisiana Republican in the Friday floor vote, despite President-elect Trump endorsing Johnson.

“I remain undecided, as do a number of my colleagues, because we saw so many of the failures last year that we are concerned about that might limit or inhibit our ability to advance the president’s agenda,” Roy said Tuesday on “Varney & Co.” on Fox Business. Later, Roy said Johnson does not yet have the support to be Speaker. “Right now, I don’t believe he has the votes on Friday,” Roy said.

Several other Republicans — including Reps. Andy Harris (Md.), Andy Biggs (Ariz.) and Victoria Spartz (Ind.) — are continuing to withhold support for Johnson despite Trump’s endorsement. Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who has said he will vote for a person other than Johnson, has also signaled that Trump’s endorsement did not change his mind.

Johnson can only afford one Republican defection in the Jan. 3 Speaker election, assuming all members are present and voting for a candidate. The House’s incoming 215 Democrats are all expected to vote for House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), and Republicans are expected to have 219 members in attendance that day.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5061200-chip-roy-undecided-mike-johnson-speaker/



As a note, there is what I call "funky math" that goes on with the tally and it has to do with who is voting and whether they list themselves as "present" instead (which impacts the total to calculate "the majority" ).

This was illustrated with the 15 votes that McCarthy went through in 2021 -


(above from here (NYT) - Vote Count: McCarthy Elected House Speaker After 15 Ballots

The operative thing -

Note: To win, a member must receive the majority of votes cast for a person, not counting “present” votes which are not included in this table.


So in the 2021 example, although "216 - 213" for vote #14 looks like he "won", he didn't because for the "total" of 432, he needed "217". In vote #15, the "total" dropped to "428" (with the others now "present" so not included in the "total" ), and that meant he only needed "215" for a "majority" (out of 428) and got "216".

So at vote time, if there are 434 (with Gaetz gone already), then "a majority" would require at least 218 votes. I.e.,

434 / 2 = 217 (tie) + 1 = 218


and the GOP currently has 219 (assuming all are there and none are "voting present" ), thus the mention of "can only lose 1 vote" thing.
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Chip Roy on Johnson: 'I don't believe he has the votes' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Tuesday OP
If not Johnson then who? SidneyR Tuesday #1
Republicans in disarray. Keepthesoulalive Tuesday #2
Republicans in reckoning ColinC Tuesday #8
If Johnson doesn't get enough votes, Maybe Elon will buy himself the job. sop Tuesday #3
Let the shit show commence! Ray Bruns Tuesday #4
If Johnson doesn't keep the gavel, Who will rise to the job, or be thrust upon it? Ford_Prefect Tuesday #5
Someone worse no doubt! PortTack Tuesday #6
428 is a nice number ColinC Tuesday #7
Jeffries can't win iemanja Wednesday #13
215 is a majority out of 428. The last vote in 2022 was only 428that inlcudes "present" ColinC Wednesday #14
The Republicans won't let that happen. iemanja Wednesday #16
You are likely correct ColinC Wednesday #17
If my cardiologist hadn't put me on a low salt diet comradebillyboy Tuesday #9
Hopefully 5 of them, republicans, will be abducted by aliens. Got my alien believer husband working on it mountain grammy Tuesday #10
... ColinC Wednesday #18
Who are they going to vote for? Marjorie Traitor Greene? mdbl Tuesday #11
A previous "candidate" BumRushDaShow Tuesday #12
fight fight fight fight orleans Wednesday #15

Ford_Prefect

(8,227 posts)
5. If Johnson doesn't keep the gavel, Who will rise to the job, or be thrust upon it?
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 02:41 PM
Tuesday

I am not talking about phantasy candidates. I mean who among the remainder GOP could conceivably get the job?

iemanja

(55,005 posts)
13. Jeffries can't win
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 12:25 AM
Wednesday

He also needs a majority and couldn’t get it without Republican votes, which won’t happen.

ColinC

(11,041 posts)
14. 215 is a majority out of 428. The last vote in 2022 was only 428that inlcudes "present"
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 12:30 AM
Wednesday

I agree he won't win, but if enough Republicans drop out, it can create a fluke if the Dems stay unified and consistent.

Remember: the left number in the OP is the total number, and the majority of that number is what wins.

Total Dem seats right now is 215.

iemanja

(55,005 posts)
16. The Republicans won't let that happen.
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 12:41 AM
Wednesday

It didn’t happen before during the GOP speakership battles. It won’t happen now either.

ColinC

(11,041 posts)
17. You are likely correct
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 12:54 AM
Wednesday

Although many repuican members seem very volatile and potentially driven by the kind of self interest that might not be satisfied by towing the line... could be interesting.

comradebillyboy

(10,552 posts)
9. If my cardiologist hadn't put me on a low salt diet
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 03:09 PM
Tuesday

I would be popping popcorn to watch the shitshow.

mountain grammy

(27,411 posts)
10. Hopefully 5 of them, republicans, will be abducted by aliens. Got my alien believer husband working on it
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 03:21 PM
Tuesday

I can only hope. 👽

mdbl

(5,544 posts)
11. Who are they going to vote for? Marjorie Traitor Greene?
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 05:33 PM
Tuesday

I mean the choices of awful repug candidates is so vast it's hard to choose.,

BumRushDaShow

(144,778 posts)
12. A previous "candidate"
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 08:00 PM
Tuesday

who spent a whole weekend in a FAILED attempt at becoming the SOH, had his name brought up again.

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