Who would pay for tariffs? Consumers, of course
By Paul Krugman / The New York Times
Imagine yourself as a small-business owner who produces something say, plastic lawn ornaments for American consumers. (One of my uncles actually was in that business.) Then for some reason, politicians propose imposing a tax of 25 percent or more on all sales of pink flamingos, garden gnomes, etc.
What will you do if that tax comes into effect? Will you pass the tax increase on to your customers, or will you try to keep consumer prices unchanged and absorb the tax yourself?
Well, youll certainly tell politicians that your customers will end up paying, and youll probably be telling the truth. Your costs, in effect, will increase, and your profit margin probably isnt high enough to absorb the tax, even if you wanted to.
Now change the story a bit: Youre not an American small-business owner; youre a Chinese company selling stuff to the United States; and the tax in question is a tariff, a charge levied on goods imported from China. Why should the answer be any different? Normally, wed expect the tariff to be passed on to U.S. consumers.
https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/krugman-who-would-pay-for-tariffs-consumers-of-course/

no_hypocrisy
(50,455 posts)One sizable tomato is a pound. With the tariff, that's $1.24.
Four tomatoes will cost $4.96, not $3.96.
You buy a new Honda Accord priced originally at $28,990. With the tariff (sales tax not included yet), it costs $36,237.50. That $7,247.50 more, thanks to Trump's tariffs.
What does Trump expect? For China, South Korea, Germany to privately pay him to remove the tariffs?
FakeNoose
(36,751 posts)More than likely, tomatoes are home-grown by American farmers and there wouldn't be foreign-grown tomatoes to compete with them. Tariffs wouldn't be placed on items that have no foreign competition.
It's the US-manufactured goods and US jobs that tariffs are meant to protect.
A car, a TV set, a computer, you name it - just about anything can be made in China for less cost than the same could be made in the US. American corporations have fostered this development for nearly 50 years by investing in and training the Chinese manufacturers to make these items for us. Why did they do this when they knew it would cost US jobs? Well, for profit of course. Ask General Electric, they were one of the first companies to do it.
Look at all the factories that have closed in the United States, look at the people out of jobs, families broken up, etc. since all this started in the early 1970s. Why weren't tariffs placed on foreign-made products back then? It would have made a difference THEN. But now the barn doors are open and the horses are long gone.
I'll give you an example in the case of General Electric. Back in 1970 GE used to sell their Syracuse-made light bulbs for about $1.00 each. There were a lot families in upstate New York that were supported by these factory jobs. For each lightbulb GE sold they made about $.25 profit, give or take. Before 1975 they figured out they could make GE lightbulbs in Mexico and still sell them for $1.00 each to Americans, but they made about $.75 or .80 profit on each bulb. Halleluia, it's raining money! It didn't take long for other manufacturers to see what GE did and start planning their own factory shutdowns. Why didn't Pres. Nixon or Pres. Ford step in and say, we're charging a $.50 tariff on every lightbulb that's made outside the United States? That would have stopped GE cold, but Repuke Presidents looked the other way. Instead they gave tax breaks to the US manufacturers who built their factories in OTHER COUNTRIES.
Now it's 50 years later, and Chump is playing to the cheap seats with this one. The MAGAs are too stupid (I guess) to figure out that he can't turn back the clock and "save" US manufacturing jobs that will never come back. Or maybe they don't really care.
MichMan
(14,287 posts)Igel
(36,596 posts)Trump's tariffs before were paid by taxpayers. Biden's tariffs are paid by taxpayers. Any future tariff will be paid by taxpayers.
The payment isn't just to the government, but in having us pay more for equivalent goods manufactured in the US or other trade-friendly countries. (Of course, if we buy the goods with added tariffs then the money goes to the federal treasury.)
Subsidies to businesses (like in the IRA) are paid by taxpayers, either directly in the form of taxes, indirectly in the form of reduced services, or in an on-going basis as we pay interest on the debt (and others cough up the investment money to fund the government in exchange for interest--depending on the 7/17 T-bill auction, that may include the money I've sequestered for year-end taxes/insurance/HOA and expect to have paid back, with interest, in early December '24). Even student-loan forgiveness is ultimately paid by taxpayers--it's revenue (just revenue, since the feds work on a cash basis) that's built into the budget and would offset the amount needed to be borrowed or taken from other budget categories.
Increase corporate taxes, increase mandatory minimum wage, and that's paid by taxpayers (or, more precisely, the populace--legally or illegally present in the US, citizens, those who don't need to file taxes or who don't pay any taxes).
Or the government can just inflate the money supply--which, if production doesn't keep up, leads to inflation.
Voltaire2
(15,307 posts)and they will be priced at just slightly less than the post-tariff price of imported lawn ornaments. Of course it is nearly impossible for domestic manufacturers to produce commodities at anywhere near the cost of manufacturers in south asia, so unless the tariffs are stunningly huge, it is unlikely this domestic manufacturing will develop. And if the tariffs are actually that high, then there will still be a huge increase in costs to the consumer.
Tariffs make sense for protecting developing economies from foreign competitors, but they always impose costs on the consumers in those economies. They are utter bullshit for developed economies. They are, in this case, not economic tools, they are instead political weapons used to attack other nation's economies and to provide an other to offload domestic malaise on.