Latino men just didn't want a woman president

[nitpicked]

https://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/juan-williams/4980787-latino-men-just-didnt-want-a-woman-president/?tbref=hp

No, it wasn’t “the Economy, stupid.” Speaking as a Black man born into a Spanish-speaking family, let me tell you what last week’s election was really about. It was about millions of men — many with my Latino immigrant background, some with my skin color — who don’t want any woman, especially a woman of color, in the White House.

Trump won 55 percent of Latino men nationally. He won 46 percent of all Latino voters, a 14 percent jump over his support against President Biden in 2020. That was the highest for any Republican presidential candidate in five decades.

And the key was his success with Latino men. Trump’s support from Latino men jumped by nearly 20 percentage points, from 36 percent in 2020 when he ran against Biden, a white man.
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“I believe there is another painful factor that, though difficult to measure in polls, might help explain Trump’s appeal with Latino men: the allure of the ‘caudillo,’” wrote Leon Krauze in The Washington Post. “Trump represents a familiar archetype in Latin American history: the charismatic leader…the providential man, the messianic leader, deeply ingrained in Latino culture.”
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[SheilaAnn]

1. Well, I hope these A Holes are ready to mow the lawns, trim the hedges, etc. 'cause our Latino guys are no where to be

found, already. They're leaving but don't know where, not showing up at our property in Florida.

[jimfields33]

26. They are at mine. Every other week like clockwork

In the spring it’s every week.

[Pisces]

33. Why assume that just because they are Latino that they would take these job openings?

[democratsruletheday]

2. absolute fact...and Arab men were similar

their culture puts women behind men in most every way

[CountAllVotes]

12. Truth

My friend is married to a Palestinian.

She waits on him hand and foot!

I'm pretty sure the not only he, but she too voted for tRUMP!

[GreenWave]

8. Despite poo poo king saying they are coming to rape our women...

[prodigitalson]

4. So how does Mexico have a female president?

Last I checked they're pretty Latino.

[markpkessinger]

10. Answer: Latino is not a monoculture n/t

[Mosby]

22. Because they have gender quotas in politics

It's like affirmative action for women, 120 countries around the world do this. It's actually a great example of how social engineering can affect a culture in a positive way, though as the below article points out, parity between men and women is still lacking in a lot of sectors.

Mexican men have more experience with woman politicians and lack some of the more toxic elements of machismo seen with American Latinos.

No Latin American country has passed more reforms expanding women’s representation than Mexico. In 1996, the country started with a measure recommending that at least 30 percent of political parties’ legislative candidates be women. In 2002, it became compulsory, and by 2008, the quota level rose to 40 percent. A 2014 amendment upped the level to gender parity for candidates for federal and local legislative seats. Along the way, a network of women from across civil society, academia, media, and government worked strategically to win support and close loopholes that made it easy for parties to run women candidates in districts they were likely to lose anyway or swapping a man into a post after a woman wins a seat. Mexican women went from having single-digit representation in the national congress 30 years ago to holding an equal number of seats today.

Link

Obviously the US and states will never enact gender quotas, because you know, freedom and shit.

[Skittles]

23. LOL, affirmative action for women

WE ARE OVER HALF THE POPULATION

[BlueHurricane]

5. Yes, Mexico has a woman President

Claudia Sheinbaum won the highest vote percentage in an election since Mexico started free and fair elections. And about a dozen other Latin countries have had women presidents. But those Latinos did not have the right wing propaganda machine targeted at them.

The repubs certainly used sexism in their campaign, targeting men in general, and I read somewhere they did a lot of propaganda targeted specifically at Latinos.

[jimfields33]

28. Seems strange that so many are leaving these same

countries.

[ReadItnWeep]

32. As a Mexican-American (both parennts born there, but became citizens as teenagers)

I know that the "machismo" attitude is indeed a thing in Latin cultures, but I also know that many families who survive due to a single Latina mom, (or even those who are 2 parent households) can see with their eyes, and know in their heart, that women are the strength that holds families together. Same with black women.

And the boys that are raised by such women know this. They are not resentful. They are not culturally "programmed" to disbelieve it.

The unusually high number of Latin men that voted for Trump in this election is simply because disinformation ads were micro targeted at different groups better than the Russian disinformation that was widespread in 2016. Elon's money helped a lot in this regard. I'm guessing some of the other big right wing PACs put a lot of effort in those type of ads as well. Those are areas that people here wouldn't even be very aware of, because we weren't part of the intended group that they believed could be swayed.

[delisen]

6. Oct 2024 Mexico has its 1st female president

Congratulations to Claudia Sheinbaum( yes she is also Jewish).

Millions of Mexican men voted enthusiastically for a well educated female environmental scientist. Since Mexico is still a macho culture maybe the Latino men won’t vote for a woman is just bad reporting.

We seem to have a lot of bad reporting in the US as well as columnists who don’t do much research
It is why I switched to The Guardian fo news and am trying to find a top notch Mexican newspaper as well as a Canadian one

[DinahMoeHum]

13. "Canadian one" How about the Toronto Star?

n/t

[delisen]

14. Thank you. I will look into it. nt

[Scrivener7]

7. Racism and sexism decided this. Across all demographics.

[ificandream]

15. I agree.

The more I think about it, the more I feel Kamala did nothing wrong. The very stupid voters did. And interesting comment about Latino men not wanting a woman president, be they white or not. Trump has always been acting like a macho man. I thought our male population was a lot more caring about women. Apparently they aren't.

[Scrivener7]

17. I'm a white woman. I'm even more ashamed of my own demographic.

Besides Black women, there is no cross section of our population - no cross section of our Democratic allies - where, when we break it down, we did not lose voters to racism and/or sexism.

I dream of seeing a woman President before I die. But we can't ignore the fact that there are racists and sexists among us. Among us Democrats. We have been taught that lesson twice now. Hopefully we have learned it.

She ran a GREAT campaign. If she was a white man with half her qualifications, she would have won in a landslide.

[DemonGoddess]

24. This, exactly!

[Beartracks]

34. "If she was a white man with half her qualifications" that wasn't named Biden, perplexingly.

[Scrivener7]

37. That wasn't 82. Not so perplexing.

[Autumn]

9. Neither did white men and white women. nt

[CountAllVotes]

11. I am an old white woman

An elderly man opened a door for me a few weeks ago. I thanked him.

He looked at me and said, "Be sure to vote for tRUMP".

I gave him a filthy look and walked away.

How dare he!

I voted for Kamala Harris.

I am a Democrat and I voted the ticket!

[ificandream]

16. I'm an old white guy. I voted for Kamala and the ticket, too.

We old folks gotta stick together.

[CountAllVotes]

18. Why are we being blamed?

The blame should fall on the people that organized the big CHEAT!

I have nothing to do w/tRUMP!

We need to stick together now?

I don't know about you but my father fought in WWII to protect our country. I am glad he is not here to witness this despicable mess!

Take care.

[Skittles]

19. oh man

FUCK YOU is what I would have said

[CountAllVotes]

20. Seems that some elderly men are of this ilk

WHO is he telling a woman how to vote?



I should have told him to f/o but why sink to his level of functioning.

Misogynistic freak!

I don't need any door opened for me!

Its all about controlling women!

You've come a long way baby = BULLSH*T!

[Skittles]

21. I hear you

except I see the door thing as just being courteous - I say "thank you"

I say FUCK YOU if they try to control me.

[electron_blue]

25. white men

yes, too many Latino men voted for Trump. yes, too many white women voted for trump.

Let's stop focusing on them and instead focus on the real problem - white men. I'm so tired of white men getting a pass. Far more white men voted for Trump than any other demographic. Face it, one of the main problems (aside from billionaires) is white supremacy which most white men don't want to give up.

[Scrivener7]

27. Parts of every demographic are guilty. Other parts of every demographic are not. It's ridiculous to

point and say, "They're at fault." I'm a white woman. I'm not at fault, but many who look like me are.

You're not at fault, but I'm sure many in your demographic, whatever it is, voted for the moron.

We need to admit there are racists and sexists among Democrats and among those who have voted for Biden or Obama. I hate to say this, but we need to run white, middle-aged, protestant, straight men for the foreseeable future.

[spooky3]

30. I agree. Dem policies benefit them tremendously. For example,

The Inflation Reduction Act invested many $ in infrastructure—we all benefit, and the construction jobs are going to go largely to men.

There is a long list of historical legal advances that helped men as well as others.

Even policies seem as focused on women, such as to protect abortion rights, benefit men who would prefer not to support an unwanted child for X years, for example.

There is absolutely no reason why we should hold them to a lower standard than we hold white women, or any other group.

[electron_blue]

39. yes they should but most white women who support Trump are largely following the lead of the white men in their lives

[Aussie105]

29. Post disaster analysis gets you nowhere.

Where to from here, should be the big question.

[spooky3]

31. I disagree, though I think we should await clearer evidence.

Speculation based on weak data of feelings isn’t very helpful.

[claudette]

35. So then

they are responsible for their undocumented relatives and friends being deported. No sympathy here from me.

[Skittles]

38. yup

FUCK THEM

[Elessar Zappa]

40. And yet, many Latino men vote for women in Latin America,

including recently Mexico. So I’m not sure I buy the idea that Latino men are any more sexist than other men.

[lees1975]

41. What's interesting about that is that I work in an environment where there are a lot of Latinos and a lot of Latino men.

There was no love lost for Trump anywhere that I could see. Moderate support here and there for Biden, then when Harris announced, it got pretty enthusiastic. Among my neighbors or work colleagues, I can only point to one Latino man who voted for Trump that I know for sure.