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lees1975

(6,027 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 10:16 PM Nov 13

A Constitutional amendment that failed. The 14th.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/11/the-14th-amendment-to-constitution-is.html

The first time I visited Independence Hall in Philadelphia, I experienced an emotional reaction to being in that place that brought me to tears. Standing there, with the small group of people that had been in the tour group to which we were assigned, I was listening to the park ranger describe the atmosphere in that room during the writing of the Declaration of Independence, each one of those Patriots sitting there just across that small hallway from the courtroom, which represented the justice system of the King, one of the motivating factors behind the Revolution.

I'm glad they preserved that room as well, because the description of the trials that took place there is chilling. Justice, at the discretion of a monarch, is not justice. It is cruelty designed to remove any motivation in the will for liberty. It was a constant threat when the Declaration was being drafted. It was the example of how not to administer justice when the Constitution was drafted, in the same room across the hall from that chilling courtroom.

I doubt that the founders envisioned a justice system paralyzed by motions for delays, frivolous appeals, diversions, lengthy time periods before trials begin, and more motions. The whole idea of "speedy trials" was to expedite getting down to the facts of a case so that a defendant did not have to be held for any longer than necessary. And I'll cut to the chase here. The influence of people with money have helped politicians build so many complications into the justice system that it is no longer effective in actually administering justice. Like almost everything else, it's become a partisan political tool.


The Constitution, however, is still the constitution. Is there a way to enforce the 14th Amendment without going through a cumbersome and ineffective justice department and court system? We've been told Trump is an existential threat to democracy. Shouldn't those who have sworn an oath to the Constitution be defending it by expediting a trial aimed at determining that Trump is not eligible to be President. Nor is J. D. Vance, since he doesn't see the insurrection for what it is.

So what recourse do we have at this point to bring about justice for the American people? This is an amendment to the constitution, and we have an obvious insurrection, and an obvious instigator. The courts have simply failed, due to their own lack of efficiency and effectiveness, to enforce the law. These are questions that I hear are being asked.
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A Constitutional amendment that failed. The 14th. (Original Post) lees1975 Nov 13 OP
"So what recourse do we have at this point to bring about justice for the American people?" J_William_Ryan Nov 13 #1
Trump hasn't been convicted of insurrection, so the 14th doesn't apply. Fiendish Thingy Nov 14 #2

J_William_Ryan

(2,215 posts)
1. "So what recourse do we have at this point to bring about justice for the American people?"
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 10:30 PM
Nov 13

None – save for the ballot box.

And that failed democracy and the Constitution on November 5th – the consequence of the stupidity of the people.

The people alone are responsible for the bad government they get; the people deserve the bad government they get.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,670 posts)
2. Trump hasn't been convicted of insurrection, so the 14th doesn't apply.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:34 AM
Nov 14

There is some argument to be made that congress could pass a resolution disqualifying Trump under the 14th, but that isn’t going to happen.

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