There's a reason so many Americans trust RFK Jr. and Dr. Oz
Neither Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President-elect Donald Trumps pick to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, nor Dr. Mehmet Oz, his pick to lead the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, is a stranger to scandal. But its their connection to wellness ideology, which includes the belief that health is holistic and that individuals are the most qualified experts on their own experience that should command our attention.
Kennedy and Oz are dangerous choices to lead major federal agencies because they amplify the worst aspects of that sprawling wellness culture: conspiracy theories, cheap hucksterism and an anti-institutionalism that undermines the very agencies theyve been slated to run. But we must separate our justified outrage at Trump choosing them from two key truths: The health issues they discuss pose legitimate problems for many Americans thats how each became so popular and the wellness movement in which they participate has positively contributed to our understanding of health and well-being in the United States.
Kennedy made his name as an environmentalist legal crusader, but his passion for protecting all that is natural has led him to make arguments far outside accepted scientific opinion, most infamously in his championing the discredited theory that vaccines cause autism, but also that contaminated water can make people transgender, that 5G cell towers control our behavior and that raw milk is safe for consumption.
Oz, trained as a cardiothoracic surgeon, was affiliated with Columbia University (until it cut ties with him in 2022) but rose to celebrity as the host of The Dr. Oz Show (a spinoff of The Oprah Winfrey Show), where he offered mainstream diet, nutrition and sexual health tips interspersed with recommendations for unverified cures and supplements. It was those recommendations that landed him in a Senate hearing, where he admitted much of his advice doesnt have the scientific muster to present as fact.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-rfk-jr-dr-oz-115959705.html
Not sure how many people trust these two. They're both a little bizarre to me.
MrWowWow
(431 posts)And both need to fail congressional confirmation.
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WhiteTara
(30,193 posts)but they are snake oil salesmen.
dpibel
(3,393 posts)[ hoh-lis-tik ]
Phonetic (Standard)
IPA
adjective
incorporating the concept of holism, or the idea that the whole is more than merely the sum of its parts, in theory or practice:
holistic psychology.
Medicine/Medical. of or relating to a form of medicine, such as chiropractic or naturopathy, concerned with the care of the entire person in all aspects of well-being, including the physical, psychological, and social, rather than with diseases and symptoms in isolation, and often using natural or traditional remedies: Her holistic practitioner prescribed dietary changes and some relaxation exercises to reduce the frequency of her migraines.
In your defense, "wholistic" has a separate entry in which it is defined as a variant of the standard "holistic."
Lovie777
(15,133 posts)ShazzieB
(18,850 posts)I'm curious about who you are referring to. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin referred to "many Americans" believing them, and you replied "No they do not trust the wackos." Who is "they"?
I shudder to think of either of those guys being appointed to the positions TSF has nominated them to, but I can easily believe there are "many Americans" who do trust them. Dr. Oz's show being a big hit is a case in point, and RFK Jr has his own following as well. If quite a few people didn't trust them, they wouldn't be nearly so dangerous.
valleyrogue
(1,144 posts)nycbos
(6,381 posts)
we wont be able to develop effective strategy on how to push back.
In the case of Dr. Oz, we underestimate the power of TV. We made the same mistake with Trump. People associate a TV show with credibility.
rsdsharp
(10,243 posts)Do I win?🏆
You win. Thats what this all boils down too. People are incredibly stupid. Plain and simple.
That's all it is. They're fucking stupid.
Biophilic
(4,902 posts)It makes as much sense as the royalty and nobility status used to make. What is in our make up that we think we need people to look up with or at least be above us? I don't watch TV and I don't follow any so called influencers and yet I notice I stop to read about some and I'm aware who most of them are even if I don't have a clue why they are considered important.
paleotn
(19,374 posts)BAWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Look. This isn't Lake Woebegone. Whether you like it or not, there's a region of the bell curve, beginning not all that far to the left of the mean, where people's ability to tie their own shoes declines drastically. Much less having a fucking clue about what's going on with them medically. Oh, but they can diagnose and heal themselves. Do what they think feels right. Someone queue Darwin.
And don't even get me started on allowing these loons to vote. OK, so R's don't think voting is a right? Fine. Let's limit it to only those with the cognitive abilities, education and training necessary to do it rationally and in an informed manner. Oh, R's don't like that? Tough.
LymphocyteLover
(6,880 posts)holistic medicine-- then sell them a bill of goods
PortTack
(34,758 posts)alarimer
(16,624 posts)And pretty much, if you follow all their advice, you may die. So much fucking ignorance on display in this country.
It's Oprah's fault. She foisted Dr. Oz on us, along with much other bullshit like "the Secret". She is just another scam artist.
usaf-vet
(6,979 posts)Those who trust are one MAGA cult member and two; by definition, they are mentally challenged!
Then, of course, they are seen on right-wing TV stations, which makes them cult bright.
Klarkashton
(2,231 posts)Of you aren't aware that they a frauds it might be easy to buy their shit.
Beartracks
(13,606 posts)It sounds truth-y, and is spoken by someone with "Dr." or "Kennedy" in his name, so it must be true!
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NNadir
(34,752 posts)bucolic_frolic
(47,309 posts)I think he did some litigation work for them. This was before he went anti-vax, which I understood at the time to be related to mercury based preservatives before vaccines were refrigerated.
NNadir
(34,752 posts)dpibel
(3,393 posts)I'm thinking your critique of Kennedy has some connection to your belief that nuclear power is the only way to save the world.
I'm not in a position to say you're wrong about that. Your credentials are impressive, as is your origin story.
Nonetheless, I think in this particular case you are depending on people not knowing the story of the Hudson Riverkeepers and Indian Point.
LoisB
(8,866 posts)bucolic_frolic
(47,309 posts)But snake oil is not a treatment. A tiny percent of people read their own symptoms well enough to self-medicate.
"Standard care" protects them all, and they all hang together. Medical care is a legal license. You can't fight it.
These two are a clown show. Irrelevant except for the time and resources they will waste as the Titanic sinks.
Mblaze
(400 posts)Natural remedies and allopathic cures. RFK Jr. paints with overly broad strokes.
WestMichRad
(1,855 posts)Snake oil salesmen have been perfecting the art of bamboozlement for at least a couple hundred years. These guys are just modern day incarnations of the same type of BS. Its apparently quite profitable for them.
J_William_Ryan
(2,215 posts)Stupid, willfully ignorant, intellectually lazy.
Add to that an unwarranted suspicion or contempt for authority, being told facts and the truth that they dont like and they dont want to hear.
Vice President Harris pledging to listen to experts as president likely cost her these votes.
CanonRay
(14,901 posts)Television.
Abolishinist
(2,037 posts)The more one believes in a creator god vs. science, the less they are able to have rational discussions about anything.
Tell me I'm wrong.