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Lasher

(28,785 posts)
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 06:16 AM Mar 1

Inside the 139 minutes that upended the US-Ukraine alliance

White House chefs were at work in the West Wing on Friday laying out plates of rosemary chicken, celery root puree and collard greens when the sound of raised voices began floating over from the Oval Office.

Inside, a remarkable scene was unfolding. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance had begun berating their guest, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in a hitherto unseen public implosion of a key global relationship.

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A whirlwind day in Washington drew to a close as Trump boarded Air Force One and flew to his Mar-a-Lago resort for the weekend. Shortly after takeoff, Zelensky came on Fox News, for an interview that Trump watched on the presidential aircraft.

Zelensky said he did not believe he owed Trump an apology for the fiery outbursts in the Oval Office, but expressed his regret that it all unfolded on television for the world to see.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/01/politics/inside-trump-zelensky-meeting/index.html

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Inside the 139 minutes that upended the US-Ukraine alliance (Original Post) Lasher Mar 1 OP
It was a 2-on-1 public power play bucolic_frolic Mar 1 #1
It's obvious. They think that raising a loud male voice and talking over someone is "winning" Walleye Mar 1 #3
Zelenskyy has absolutely nothing to apologize for Skittles Mar 2 #7
Ocean-at-Lake resort. Trump hates Spanish Walleye Mar 1 #2
Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2 #4
Thanks for the reply. Lasher Mar 2 #5
It was fatuous. creon Mar 2 #6

bucolic_frolic

(49,909 posts)
1. It was a 2-on-1 public power play
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 07:03 AM
Mar 1

Zelenskyy hardly got a sentence in. He was interrupted multiple times. They were giving him no room. Strong arm tactics.

Walleye

(39,682 posts)
3. It's obvious. They think that raising a loud male voice and talking over someone is "winning"
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 07:21 AM
Mar 1

Skittles

(163,517 posts)
7. Zelenskyy has absolutely nothing to apologize for
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 07:59 PM
Mar 2

NOPE. If anyone should apologize, it is every FUCKING ASSHOLE who voted for DONALD FUCKING TRUMP. *FUCK ALL OF THEM*. THEY DISGRACED AMERICA.

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,829 posts)
4. Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:44 PM
Mar 2

This may not have been a staged stunt but trump's over-reaction to President Zelenskyy not following the script that trump want to present to the world. trump wanted to sign the rare earths/raw earths mineral deal that had on security guarantees to score a political victory. trump want to "discuss" securities guarantees at a later date (perhaps after Putin was declared the victor and got everything he wanted. President Zelensky brought up security guarantees and what we saw on Friday was an over-reaction to trump not getting what he wanted.
https://bsky.app/profile/realtuckfrumper.bsky.social/post/3ljdtnudhqr2o

Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting: Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for…



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/01/trump-officials-zelenskyy

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for the meltdown in the Oval Office on Friday, and expressed frustration that he pushed for security guarantees even though the US had made clear they wanted to negotiate that later, according to people familiar with the matter.

The officials had told their Ukrainian counterparts in advance of the meeting that Trump wanted to sign an economic partnership this week at a ministerial level, as aides worked on the details about security guarantees.

Trump saw the minerals deal as the first phase of a broader economic partnership and told aides it showed the US was effectively making a commitment on security guarantees, because the agreement deal would mean the US had a vested interest in Ukraine’s economic prosperity.

The officials believed that had all been communicated to Ukraine, as was the advice that senators gave Zelenskyy on Friday morning to praise Trump and not litigate the issue of wanting stronger security guarantees to his face.

To Trump’s aides, Zelenskyy did not heed that advice when he expressed skepticism at JD Vance’s view of making peace with Russia and, in their view, lectured the US vice-president on the history of Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine that started in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea......

Trump officials said privately on Saturday that Trump still wants to sign the minerals deal, but an immediate reset appeared unlikely with Trump scheduled to attend a fundraising dinner for the Maga Inc super political action committee in Palm Beach and Zelenskyy’s departure from the US for the UK......

Appearing on Fox News that evening, Zelenskyy referred to Ronald Reagan’s dictum that “peace is more than just an absence of war” and suggested that because Putin had broken dozens of ceasefire agreements already, more work was needed to reach “a just and lasting peace”. Trump appeared unimpressed when he boarded Marine One en route to Palm Beach, telling reporters[b ] that Zelenskyy needed to say publicly that he wanted to make peace and stop saying “negative things” about Putin.

trump trusts Putin and wanted this rare earths/raw earths mineral deal without explicit security guarantees becuase trump trusts Putin. President Zelensky was correct in NOT trusting Putin which pissed off trump and Vance.

To me this means that Friday was not a planned event but another example of trump's temper/stupidity getting in the way of negotiating a real peace.

Lasher

(28,785 posts)
5. Thanks for the reply.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 03:13 PM
Mar 2

Especially with the Senators' involvement, it looks like this was a setup from the start. But Zelenskyy outsmarted them. No way was he going to sign away Ukraine's mineral rights, only to be left holding the bag after that.

creon

(1,489 posts)
6. It was fatuous.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 06:05 PM
Mar 2

Those turkeybutts were pttinng on a show.
A feckless public attempt at schrecklichkeit.
It was not going to work.
Trump is not Hitler; Vance is not Goering. Zelenskyy is not Schuschnigg.

If they were actually trying to intimidate Zelensky, they would have done it in private.

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