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ancianita

(43,442 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 03:06 PM 5 hrs ago

Elon Musk Confirms Ancient Concerns About the Superrich

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/21/opinion/elon-musk-trillionaire-wealth-plato.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sFA.SwhD.nHfWL-ZPwyh4&smid=url-share

... Mr. Musk’s net worth is five million times as large as that of the average American family.... As a historian of political thought, I immediately thought of Plato, the first Western philosopher to really grapple with economic inequality. In his “Laws,” through the character of the Athenian Stranger, Plato contended that in a thriving republic, if anyone acquired more than four times the wealth of the poorest citizens, he should donate the surplus to the city. Not five million times the wealth of the typical family — four times the wealth of the poorest...

...Plato grew up in Athens, a city that once was nearly torn apart, as Plutarch wrote, by the “disparity between the rich and the poor.” It was saved by a heroic lawgiver, Solon, who canceled all the debts of the poor, to the great chagrin of the rich. And in Plato’s youth, as the city fought the Peloponnesian War, it suffered three successive class-based civil wars — an oligarchic revolution of the rich against the poor, followed by a democratic revolution of the poor against the rich, followed by yet another oligarchic revolution...

For Plato, the source of inequality was a disease of the soul that the Greeks called pleonexia — a kind of insatiable greed. In Plato’s “Gorgias,” ... Someone consumed with his unquenchable desires comes to love himself far beyond what he can feel for the rest of humanity. He was, for Plato, “a poor judge of what is just and good and noble,” because he would always treat his desires as more valuable even than the truth. As a consequence, Plato wrote, “it is impossible that those who become very rich also become good.”

Plato’s fears about insatiable greed have been vindicated by Mr. Musk, who has already set his sights on $10 trillion.
He has confirmed Plato’s concerns about the moral failures of the superrich by characterizing empathy as “the fundamental weakness of Western civilization.” With his so-called Department of Government Efficiency, he put the U.S. Agency for International Development program “into the wood chipper,” as he gleefully put it, contributing to the deaths of an estimated 600,000 people. Such carnage is a predictable outcome of a society that has chosen to place no upper limits on wealth...."
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Elon Musk Confirms Ancient Concerns About the Superrich (Original Post) ancianita 5 hrs ago OP
Thank you for sharing the article irisblue 4 hrs ago #1
Most welcome! Thanks for reading. ancianita 4 hrs ago #3
Money becomes rather worthless PatSeg 4 hrs ago #2
Great article. ananda 4 hrs ago #4
It is. As an aside, ancianita 3 hrs ago #7
Sounds good enough as it is. nt eppur_se_muova 2 hrs ago #13
You and your daughter brakester 2 hrs ago #14
Solon "canceled all the debts of the poor, to the great chagrin of the rich" Seinan Sensei 3 hrs ago #5
Thanks for your post. To your point, ancianita 3 hrs ago #8
We need to keep the focus on Musk's pleonexia. 1WorldHope 3 hrs ago #6
Absolutely! ancianita 3 hrs ago #9
If we are faced with "sickness" we need Gordcanuck 48 min ago #16
Excellent 5 minute slam on musk by Brit comedian Jonathan Pie 3825-87867 3 hrs ago #10
Good one! Thanks! ancianita 2 hrs ago #11
TY interesting re Plato, Athens class struggles, and pleonexia electric_blue68 2 hrs ago #12
Elon is a hoarder Seinan Sensei 1 hr ago #15

ancianita

(43,442 posts)
3. Most welcome! Thanks for reading.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 04:16 PM
4 hrs ago

The ancients knew a thing or two about wealth disparity and oligarchy.

ananda

(35,768 posts)
4. Great article.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 04:29 PM
4 hrs ago

I have always wondered about the value of money.

It strikes me that cooperacy would work much better
than capitalism.

ancianita

(43,442 posts)
7. It is. As an aside,
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 04:52 PM
3 hrs ago

I've also heard my daughter say that economies that run well for everyone should be called "enoughanomics."
(Maybe awkward phrasing here, but I'm sure folks get the gist.)

brakester

(639 posts)
14. You and your daughter
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 06:19 PM
2 hrs ago

share a capacity for wisdom, compassion and literary creativity!

Excellent post! Thanks!
This subject might inspire a future letter to the editor for my local paper!

Seinan Sensei

(1,722 posts)
5. Solon "canceled all the debts of the poor, to the great chagrin of the rich"
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 04:42 PM
3 hrs ago

Sounds familiar.
Jesus endorsed the same.
Jesus’s first sermon was Luke 4:18-19.
In that sermon, Jesus referenced “Year of Jubilee” - which included (among other things) cancellation of all debt.
Jesus was looking at Leviticus 25 and Isaiah 61.
Jesus wanted to prevent inter-generational poverty vs. trying to develop inter-generational wealth.

1WorldHope

(2,223 posts)
6. We need to keep the focus on Musk's pleonexia.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 04:42 PM
3 hrs ago

I just learned a new word that I will forget before I leave my chair. 🥺
But isn't it interesting how long it has been clear that Greed can not be satisfied and is, therefore, a disease that harms others who are around the sick person.
This is an American lesson that nobody will learn, sadly. Not only that obscene wealth is a disease, but also that we should not allow them to run the government. Our Government. 🤬

ancianita

(43,442 posts)
9. Absolutely!
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 05:09 PM
3 hrs ago

Greed is an ancient sickness. It's about time humanity dealt with it.

The Apostle Paul -- a former pharisee who was turned missionary by Jesus and sent to the Gentile world -- writes to one of his church founders, Timothy, when he says in 1 Timothy chap. 6, verse 10: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil..."

What Paul says is often misquoted to say that money itself is the root of all evil.
Money is just a tool -- money can be used like a knife that helps produce and distribute food, or misused too often as a weapon. Love of money is a form of idolatry, and an outgrowth of narcissism.

Gordcanuck

(202 posts)
16. If we are faced with "sickness" we need
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:45 PM
48 min ago

a remedy. And that is a chosen way of inculcating the obligation to “do as you would be done by” in how we act toward others.
If we incentivize good actions by sharing success in business, it encourages all those who contributed. Slave ships get rammed or hit a rock while a contented crew brings the vessel home prosperously.
So I say, make money, but share with the ones who get you there. Don’t be a tightwad, it’ll come back and bite you.

ancianita

(43,442 posts)
11. Good one! Thanks!
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 05:44 PM
2 hrs ago

He uses imagery to show what the greed sickness today actually looks like.

Seinan Sensei

(1,722 posts)
15. Elon is a hoarder
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:30 PM
1 hr ago

I just wish he’d been hoarding newspapers or magazines or cats.

Instead of money.

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