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Related: About this forumFrank Sinatra hated 'The Godfather' and told Mario Puzo to 'choke'
"The Godfather" holds a revered position in film history with the Corleone crime family saga starring Marlon Brando, Al Pacino and James Caan perched at No. 2 on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 Greatest American Films of All Time.
However, the 50th anniversary of Francis Ford Coppola's 1972 mob masterpiece has resurrected the negative opinion of one influential critic: Frank Sinatra.
The Chairman of the Board was not a fan of "The Godfather," an opinion Sinatra made abundantly clear as Mario Puzo's 1969 novel was being adapted for film. In a legendary blowup at Hollywood eatery Chasen's, Sinatra snarled, "Choke. Go ahead and choke" at Puzo, who was taking a meal break from writing the film's screenplay.
The infamous confrontation sparked the imagination of Michael Tolkin, creator of "The Offer," a new Paramount+ series (premiering April 28) about the making of "The Godfather," which features a re-creation of the fracas.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2022/03/18/godfather-50th-anniversary-frank-sinatra-famous-fight-mario-puzo/6997604001/
hlthe2b
(106,573 posts)both on the superficial level as a person of Italian descent and obviously given his close "relationships" with mobsters at points during his life. The impact of the movies in reinforcing certain stereotypes was probably predictable to him.
That said, I think the Godfather trio were exceptional films, but ones I don't feel the need to rewatch very often.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)ShazamIam
(2,716 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)'over-the hill'.
There is an old film clip somewhere of Frank singing with Elvis - a variety tv show I think. Sinatra had to regret that appearance.
ShazamIam
(2,716 posts)career revival with that movie, From Here to Eternity.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)the same restaurant. Sinatra had a fit, and threw his pasta and sauce plate hard against the restaurant wall.
[Seemed to fit Sinatra's arrogant, offstage character]
Casady1
(2,133 posts)early in his career my mom loved Sinatra( 1940"s). She had a professional voice and took lessons for years in her youth. She would tell me all the time that Sinatra never practiced. My mom sang scales all the time.
Then in the 1980's he was playing blackjack in a New Jersey casino and called the dealer a "chink". My mom flipped out and hated him from that point on. He was a total asshole.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)swaggeer.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)Srkdqltr
(7,708 posts)Folks. Sure some thought it made Italians look glamorous and dangerous and powerful. Most knew that it was illegal and hurtful to anyone involved.
Jilly_in_VA
(10,989 posts)a Sinatra fan. Ever. Just could not stand the guy. OTOH, I love The Godfather saga and watch the whole thing every few years, maybe 5 to 7 years. it's one of those things I will devote a weekend to. It's not so much the story as the acting. I find new things in it every time. It's like re-reading a favorite book.
underpants
(186,992 posts)Shes never seen it.
I really looking forward to the movie about it. The studio wanted Caan to be Michael (he was a huge box office draw then) but Puzo demanded it be Pacino. Pacino was a stage actor and had no big draw. Other than Brando, the main characters(Pacino, Caan, Duval, and I think Cazale each got $30K for a 6 week shoot and thats all The Godfather money theyve ever seen. Caan said in an interview the rest is Marios money.
Every movie John Cazale was I. Was nominated for Best Picture. All 5 of them.
Auggie
(31,849 posts)It was touchy subject for him.
underpants
(186,992 posts)Theres his heritage as well as his being a bag man for the Mafia.
rsdsharp
(10,243 posts)and needing a part in a movie to make a comeback, is a very transparent reference to Sinatras situation before he appeared in From Here to Eternity.
underpants
(186,992 posts)And the Fontaine character was not a good image for Sinatra regardless of basically outed him for mafia ties.
Auggie
(31,849 posts)he was an opinionated, temperamental person (as we all can be) who had to live life under a microscope. He had faults -- huge faults by most standards -- but he also had compassion for those oppressed and did what he could to help.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)dealer he called a chink at a NJ casino. My mom who loved him in the forties and thought he quit practicing and she couldn't even listen to him later never forgave him for that. My mom had a professional voice who took many singing lessons said to me in the sixties that he stopped practicing and she could tell immediately.
Auggie
(31,849 posts)Casady1
(2,133 posts)My mom and dad who I can guarantee suffered far more discrimination than Sinatra were sensitive to this especially my mom. My dad couldn't swim in the public pools in St. Louis in the 30's and my German grandmother was arrested in 1910 for being with my Chinese grandfather in Illinois. I have the newspaper article. Sinatra was a dick.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(15,058 posts)... this Francis Ford Coppola movie scene:
ificandream
(10,613 posts)But hey, I love his music. Never got to see him, unfortunately.