Michigan man charged after 2-year -old boy finds gun in couch, accidentally kills himself

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https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/05/23/man-charged-boy-finds-gun-couch-fatally-shoots-himself-kentwood/70247533007/

Michigan man charged after 2-year -old boy finds gun in couch, accidentally kills himself

Associated Press
May 23, 2023

KENTWOOD, Mich. — A Grand Rapids-area man was charged Monday with involuntary manslaughter after his girlfriend's 2-year-old son found a gun and fatally shot himself.

Police said the gun was in the couch at their apartment in Kentwood. Kiaire McCoy apparently found it and shot himself Friday.

Markus Nevills Jr., 22, objected to being charged during his initial court appearance.

"I don't understand this. I'm trying to see how they're saying this is my fault. I didn't shoot and kill him," Nevills said.

Police quoted Nevills as saying he had "zoned out" while high on marijuana and was scrolling through his phone when the shooting occurred, according to a court filing. Prosecutors said he was grossly negligent.

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[keithbvadu2]

1. Something about 'guns don't kill people' is their argument. Right?

Something about 'guns don't kill people' is their argument. Right?

???

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Dull. 24% of people are below 90 IQ. 22% walk among us as Below Average and Well Below Average

The idiot Nevills is very dull. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

K-ABC 1983 Ability Classifications[71]

Range of Standard Scores Name of Category Percent of Norm Sample

130+ . . . . . Upper Extreme . . . . 2.3
120–129 . . . Well Above Average 7.4
110–119 . . . Above Average . . . 16.7
90–109 . . . . Average . . . . . . . 49.5
80–89 . . . . . Below Average . . . 16.1
70–79 . . . . . Well Below Average 6.1
below 70 . . . Lower Extreme . . . 2.1

Earlier classification systems called 80-89 "dull normal" and 70-79 "borderline" with below that crudely called "defective".

[barbtries]

3. finally someone is charged.

what should happen every single time this occurs

[iluvtennis]

7. + agree n/t

[Old Crank]

4. But there is this...

Armed 3 year old shoots alleged murderer. Also his mother with the same round.

We really need to start holding parents responsible for their carelessly leaving killing machines around like party favors.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/05/22/indiana-murder-suspect-arrest-toddler-accidental-shooting/70242731007/

[ToxMarz]

5. Gun in sofa? Check!

Zoned out on Marijuana? Check!

Ready to babysit? CHECK!

[PJMcK]

9. Is there beer in the fridge? (n/t)

[ninjanurse]

6. Safe Storage of Firearms

RI is trying to pass a law that requires gun owners to store their guns safely. All the Republicans are opposed. I’m impressed that Michigan even has the legal power to prosecute this man, usually it’s just an act of God and the price we pay for freedom.

[Sancho]

8. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[AZ8theist]

11. #5, #5, #5, NUMBER 5!!

it will change society for the better.

Make large insurance companies responsible for idiots. Things will quickly change.