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BumRushDaShow

(143,459 posts)
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:34 AM Oct 2021

Nursing home workers aren't getting vaccinated -- prompting worries about the elderly...

Nursing home workers aren’t getting vaccinated — prompting worries about the elderly, staffing, and a coming federal mandate

With a federal vaccine mandate pending, nursing home workers will eventually have to be vaccinated or face losing their jobs. For now, many have ignored Pennsylvania's request to do so.


by Justine McDaniel and Erin McCarthy
Updated 4 hours ago

Most Pennsylvania nursing homes have failed to achieve an 80% vaccination rate among staff members, missing the COVID-19 vaccination goal the Department of Health had aimed to reach by Friday. Only 19.6% of the 700 nursing homes statewide had at least 80% of their staff fully vaccinated by Sept. 19, the state Department of Health said Thursday. In the Philadelphia region, a little more than 40% of skilled nursing facilities had met or exceeded the goal, according to an Inquirer analysis.

“Each day we go by with staff not vaccinated, the risk increases … for the most vulnerable members of our community,” said Karen Buck, executive director of the Philadelphia-based SeniorLAW Center. “We can’t be playing Russian roulette with the vulnerable in long-term care facilities.” The state’s benchmark will be superseded by a federal vaccine mandate that’s on the way for all nursing home workers. But the fact that Pennsylvania’s nursing homes fell so short of the state’s benchmark underscores the widespread resistance to the vaccine among workers.

Many of them, industry experts said, have been swayed by misinformation or believe they don’t need it because they were previously infected, which isn’t true. That could portend difficulty for accomplishing the federal mandate, which may already be challenging to enforce, and indicates more education efforts are needed to address workers’ concerns, experts said. In Philadelphia, which told health-care workers to be vaccinated by Oct. 15 in order to stay employed, nursing home providers and other employers are worrying about losing staff. Meanwhile, senior advocates are concerned the vaccination push isn’t moving fast enough.

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Uptake of the vaccine among Philadelphia-area nursing home staff is higher than in the rest of the state, with slightly more than 40% of facilities in the Southeast meeting the state’s benchmark compared with about 10% of facilities in the state’s 62 other counties, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services data. Half of Pennsylvania’s nursing homes had less than 66% of staff fully vaccinated as of Sept 19. In contrast, the vast majority of nursing home residents have been fully vaccinated, according to the data — in half of nursing homes, 90% or more of the residents have been vaccinated.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/nursing-home-federal-vaccination-mandate-pennsylvania-20211001.html


This is all the result of misinformation being spread by those who are purposely on a disinformation campaign.

As everyone knows, when this pandemic began, the nursing homes and other types of longterm care/rehab/congregate care facilities, were the literal hotbeds of the fatalities experienced due to the virus. And it wasn't like these patients went out for a walk or a trip to the supermarket and then brought it back to these premises. It came in from the staff, support personnel, visitors (who were eventually barred), and possibly supplies delivery people.
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Nursing home workers aren't getting vaccinated -- prompting worries about the elderly... (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #1
The boosters for either mRNA vaccine have only been approved a month ago BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #4
I think we have a misunderstanding about the term "booster" BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #7
My brother is at a personal care nursing home in Pittsburgh FakeNoose Oct 2021 #3
That's the scary thing BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #8

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

BumRushDaShow

(143,459 posts)
2. The boosters for either mRNA vaccine have only been approved a month ago
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:50 AM
Oct 2021

and only for a very narrow group of people (where even some of the nursing home residents might not actually qualify) -

COVID-19 Vaccines for Moderately to Severely Immunocompromised People
Updated Sept. 2, 2021

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Who Needs an Additional COVID-19 Vaccine?

Currently, CDC is recommending that moderately to severely immunocompromised people receive an additional dose. This includes people who have:

  • Been receiving active cancer treatment for tumors or cancers of the blood
  • Received an organ transplant and are taking medicine to suppress the immune system
  • Received a stem cell transplant within the last 2 years or are taking medicine to suppress the immune system
  • Moderate or severe primary immunodeficiency (such as DiGeorge syndrome, Wiskott-Aldrich syndrome)
  • Advanced or untreated HIV infection
  • Active treatment with high-dose corticosteroids or other drugs that may suppress your immune response


  • People should talk to their healthcare provider about their medical condition, and whether getting an additional dose is appropriate for them.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html


    Otherwise, a booster for Moderna hasn't been approved yet and they submitted their EUA request at the beginning of last month for a 1/2 dose shot for a "booster" versus Pfizer's "3rd (full) dose".

    Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #2)

    BumRushDaShow

    (143,459 posts)
    6. I think we have a misunderstanding about the term "booster"
    Fri Oct 1, 2021, 09:04 AM
    Oct 2021

    and the "2-dose" regular vaccination.

    The first responders (including healthcare workers) were right at the front of the priority line alongside the most vulnerable patients (mostly elderly) for the initial vaccine rollout. But as the OP article is noting, a HUGE percentage REFUSED to get the vaccine and it wasn't just them - you had quite a few other first responder types like cops and fire fighters, etc., who STILL refuse.

    And yes, that has gone on for almost a year since both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were approved about mid-December of last year.

    Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

    FakeNoose

    (35,901 posts)
    3. My brother is at a personal care nursing home in Pittsburgh
    Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:50 AM
    Oct 2021

    Because of his dementia, we're not able to care for my brother at home any more. He requires round-the-clock supervision now.

    So the nursing home is pretty much like the others - good at some things, and barely adequate at other things. Since April there have been 3 instances of someone on staff having Covid (testing positive). The nursing home immediately informs the families of their patients that they're in quarantine and no visitors are allowed for 2 weeks. Twice now, the 2 weeks' quarantine extended to 4 weeks when a 2nd infection came up while the first one was ending.

    I must say that the nursing home has been diligent about notifying families and interested parties about the infections. But it's extremely disconcerting that these infections are even happening. Why aren't these trained medical people more careful about social distancing? Are they even vaccinated? (We don't know!) Staff members wear masks while on duty, when they interact with patients and visitors, because I've seen them in masks. However when they're off-duty there's no way to know.

    It's scary knowing that my brother and other patients are at the mercy of people who may not be cautious of their own health, and it could lead to infection of the patients in the nursing home.


    BumRushDaShow

    (143,459 posts)
    5. That's the scary thing
    Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:58 AM
    Oct 2021

    Monitoring this problem the past year, it seems some of their "excuses" are that they are in or have more access to higher levels of PPE than other occupations so they don't believe that they could pass it on. However many of these people are NOT in an actual "hospital" setting where you do see the full N95s and face shields and gowns and whatnot. The nursing homes and rehab places (many also dealing with stroke patients) have never needed that high level of protection and I expect trying to get any of them into the habit of using the "real deal", and staying in it all day, is probably futile.

    Response to FakeNoose (Reply #3)

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