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JHan

(10,173 posts)
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 05:07 PM Nov 2018

hahahahah Leave-voting MP Nadine Dorries is bonkers.

Leave-voting MP Nadine Dorries slams May's Brexit deal because UK won’t have seats in European parliament

Theresa May’s Brexit deal has been slammed by arch-leave MP Nadine Dorries – because it means the UK will be left without any Members of the European Parliament.

The Tory backbencher, who campaigned tirelessly to get the country out of Europe, said Ms May's deal would leave the UK without any influence in Europe.

“This is a very sad place to be,” she told Sky News. “But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.”

Her words were met with astonishment online.

“Ladies and gentlemen, this is the quality of our politicians right now,” one Twitter user noted. “The intellect of a boiled cabbage.”


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html







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hahahahah Leave-voting MP Nadine Dorries is bonkers. (Original Post) JHan Nov 2018 OP
Oh yup. Boiled cabbage should be insulted. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #1
Right! And this gem... JHan Nov 2018 #2
We could fill a book with what they "didn't realize". Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #3
just pure insanity. JHan Nov 2018 #5
this is a good read up too: Fintan O'Toole: Historians will not believe sheer ignorance of Brexiters JHan Nov 2018 #10
Did he read about the war? shenmue Nov 2018 #6
It's the first time in history a country has voted for economic sanctions against itself. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #4
OH SNAP shenmue Nov 2018 #7
Exactly how I've been describing it since 2016! LeftishBrit Nov 2018 #11
I'm both British and Irish Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #12
Boiled cabbage beats trump!!! elleng Nov 2018 #8
lol JHan Nov 2018 #9

Denzil_DC

(8,009 posts)
1. Oh yup. Boiled cabbage should be insulted.
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 05:14 PM
Nov 2018

Some have been trying to excuse her idiocy by saying she's objecting to a lengthy transition period where the Uk'll be in limbo by contributing money and being subject to EU rules without representation.

That's all very well, but her favoured Brexit model has been Norway. Guess what rules etc. Norway is subject to ...

JHan

(10,173 posts)
2. Right! And this gem...
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 05:16 PM
Nov 2018

"Just last week, leave voter and ex-Brexit secretary Dominic Raab let slip he “hadn’t quite understood” how heavily UK trade relies on the Dover-Calais Channel crossing."

seriously?!

Denzil_DC

(8,009 posts)
3. We could fill a book with what they "didn't realize".
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 05:34 PM
Nov 2018

But it was all Project Fear, see?

Here's another:


Northern Ireland secretary admits she did not realise nationalists refuse to vote for unionist parties when she took job

...

Karen Bradley said at the time of her appointment earlier this year, she did not understand campaigns were generally fought within each part of the community, rather than across it.

"I didn't understand things like when elections are fought for example in Northern Ireland - people who are nationalists don't vote for unionist parties and vice-versa," she said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/northern-ireland-karen-bradley-secretary-nationalists-unionists-sinn-fein-dup-elections-a8526466.html


Here's another from 2016:

Minister for Brexit David Davis appeared unaware of how EU trade deals actually work

The newly appointed minister in charge of negotiating Britain’s exit from the European Union appears unaware of how EU trade deals work, it has emerged.

David Davis was appointed as Theresa May’s Secretary of State for Leaving the European Union on Wednesday evening immediately after she arrived at Number 10.

The staunch Leave backer, a former Europe Minister, however said during the referendum campaign that Britain would negotiate individual trade deals with other EU countries.

However one of the main basic features of the European Union is that EU countries cannot negotiate individual trade deals with outside countries and instead do so as a bloc of 28.

The basic fact, which was paraded by other parts of the Leave campaign during the referendum, leaves Mr Davis’s original plan for one-on-one trade deals in tatters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/minister-for-brexit-davis-davis-eu-european-union-germany-single-market-trade-deals-unaware-mistake-a7136121.html


And now, undeterred by being the laziest, most useless politician I can remember in my lifetime, out of a very competitive field, he's on the starting blocks to sell us down the river to Trump:

David Davis claims he's been in US drumming up a free trade deal despite ditching Brexit Secretary job in July... but warns May's EU proposal will 'block all avenues of negotiation'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6400783/David-Davis-reveals-hes-drumming-free-trade-deal-despite-quitting-Brexit-Secretary-role.html


Doh! If it wasn't for those horrible Eurocrats, we could set course full speed ahead and finally officially become the 51st US state.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
10. this is a good read up too: Fintan O'Toole: Historians will not believe sheer ignorance of Brexiters
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:45 AM
Nov 2018
A spotter’s guide

Their problem will be, rather, with the shades of obliviousness. Here our future scholars will have to try to distinguish between three kinds of ignorance: deliberate unknowing, crass self-delusion and what we can only call pig ignorance. So, for their benefit, here is a brief spotter’s guide.

Deliberate unknowing is when you are fully aware of something but then choose to suppress that consciousness. A good example is Theresa May speaking about the Irish border on June 21st 2016, just two days before the referendum: “Just think about it. If we are out of the European Union with tariffs on exporting goods into the EU, there’d have to be something to recognise that, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. And if you pulled out of the EU and came out of free movement, then how could you have a situation where there was an open border with a country that was in the EU and has access to free movement?” So she knew full well that a Brexit that involved leaving the customs union would create a hard border. And then, as prime minister, she insisted on the opposite: that a hard Brexit was perfectly compatible with no return of a hard border. She unknew what she had known.

And then there’s pig ignorance – the genuine hallmarked, unadulterated, slack-jawed, open-mouthed, village idiot variety. Crass self-delusion is when you start with an ideological premise that you believe to be true even though it isn’t and then draw apparently reasonable conclusions from it.

Thus, for example, David Davis sincerely believed the EU is just a front for German domination of Europe. Hence he also believed quite genuinely that the Brexit negotiations would be conducted not with Brussels but over a convivial weissbräu and schnitzel in Berlin and that frictionless trade would be decreed immediately because the German car manufacturers wished it so: sincerely fatuous self-delusion.

Village idiot

And then there’s pig ignorance – the genuine hallmarked, unadulterated, slack-jawed, open-mouthed, village idiot variety in which the people who are in charge of the British state don’t know stuff that anyone off Gogglebox could tell them. The Brexiteer MP Nadine Dorries admitted in effect that she didn’t know what a customs union is. Her comrade Andrew Bridgen said last month: “As an English person, I do have the right to go over to Ireland and I believe that I can ask for a passport. Can’t I?


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-historians-will-not-believe-sheer-ignorance-of-brexit-supporters-1.3695347

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
4. It's the first time in history a country has voted for economic sanctions against itself.
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 06:01 PM
Nov 2018

Napoleon would be delighted--and Wellington would be horrified--to know we're now imposing the Continental System on ourselves.

This level of stupidity isn't accidental. It takes natural talent, determination, and practice.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
12. I'm both British and Irish
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 08:01 AM
Nov 2018

Rest assured I have a very dim view of it indeed.

I'm still clinging to the hope of a second referendum, as I think it will take most of a decade to rejoin the EU. And we're not getting any special deals next time, so say goodbye to the pound. I do have hope that our inevitable readmission will put us in the Schengen Zone though.

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