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Irish Taoiseach,today, telling Boris Johnson some hard truths about Brexit, to his discomfort. (Original Post) bronxiteforever Sep 2019 OP
"...to be your Athena if at all possible..." Anon-C Sep 2019 #1
The Athena allusion analysed: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2019 #6
Among the many things I've yelled at the TV over the last couple of years, Denzil_DC Sep 2019 #2
+1 Brilliant points. It is not a finite process. bronxiteforever Sep 2019 #3
I think Brexit will serve as an example of what life outside the EU will mean to the UK. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2019 #4
they will, in fact, be out of the EU stopdiggin Sep 2019 #5

muriel_volestrangler

(102,633 posts)
6. The Athena allusion analysed:
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 11:26 AM
Sep 2019
In Greek mythology, the goddess Athena did assist Hercules as an ally during the performance of his 12 labours. She provided, for example, bronze krotala – noise-makers similar to castanets – to help him scare off the flock of Stymphalian birds. And in some versions of the tale she was also of service to him by returning to their rightful place the golden apples of the gods that Hercules had been asked to obtain.

But it is perhaps her most dramatic intervention in the life of Hercules that Varadkar was obliquely referring to.

Hercules was obliged to perform the 12 labours as an act of penitence after he had descended into madness and murdered his wife, Megara, and his children. At the moment he was about to go on and kill the man who had fostered him, Amphitryon, Athena intervened. Seeing that he had gone mad, she struck Hercules down and knocked him out to prevent him causing more bloodshed and doing more damage than he had already done.

Very much what you would hope for from a friend and ally, but maybe not what you would want to hear on the international stage at a moment of tense diplomacy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/09/leo-varadkar-athena-hercules-boris-johnson-why

Denzil_DC

(8,008 posts)
2. Among the many things I've yelled at the TV over the last couple of years,
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:20 AM
Sep 2019

that key point ranks highly (and is among the most printable).

The hardline Brexiters seem to imagine that "leaving" is a finite event rather than an extended process (and one during which we're going to need all the friends and allies we can muster), and we'll all be wallowing in ambrosia the second it's done.

We'll be wallowing in something alright ...

OAITW r.2.0

(28,529 posts)
4. I think Brexit will serve as an example of what life outside the EU will mean to the UK.
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:33 AM
Sep 2019

Getting out was easy....the post Brexit reality, not so much.

stopdiggin

(12,945 posts)
5. they will, in fact, be out of the EU
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 11:05 AM
Sep 2019

(and much the worse for it). Ireland will be IN (but under strained conditions). And Northern Ireland will be in in no man's land (behind a wall, or ditch, or some such). Details to come later (which is what the sh** show has been running on for 3 years!!)

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