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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:42 AM Sep 2019

It is all about the 'idea', hey?

A significant portion of our current difficulties can be credited to our supposed leaders demonstrating a lack of belief in results based and evidence based policy and decision making. Instead, our 21st governance model is predicated on 'ideas'. You know, like...

• It is easy to leave the EU
• The EU needs us just as much as we need them
• We do not need limit ourselves to the EU with an Empire out there waiting to be reclaimed
• The EU member states are weaker that the UK and respect a STRONG BRITISH HAND
• When we leave the EU we will be an industrial exporting powerhouse

All ideas. No Facts.

Meanwhile in the EU…

Heh

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It is all about the 'idea', hey? (Original Post) Soph0571 Sep 2019 OP
A major part of why the project to leave the EU is such a disaster T_i_B Sep 2019 #1
Judging by recent articles, it's not (or not only) that they've refused to explain the difficulties, Denzil_DC Sep 2019 #2

T_i_B

(14,805 posts)
1. A major part of why the project to leave the EU is such a disaster
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:49 AM
Sep 2019

Is that British politician's have refused at every turn to explain the difficulties presented by the task of leaving the EU to the British public. And have instead sought solace in increasingly extreme and spiteful fantasies.

Denzil_DC

(8,008 posts)
2. Judging by recent articles, it's not (or not only) that they've refused to explain the difficulties,
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 10:44 AM
Sep 2019

Last edited Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:04 PM - Edit history (1)

it's that they've utterly failed to understand them themselves!

That's been the story all along, from the referendum campaign itself, when all talk of such was airily handwaved away with dismissals of "Project Fear", to David Davis's ignorance of the fact he couldn't just begin to pick off deals with individual EU members as soon as Article 50 was triggered, to Johnson, just the other day reportedly flummoxed during a meeting with Irish officials that the Irish border issues are actually rather complex and none of the ideas his government has come up with so far go any way towards addressing them.

Johnson's also reportedly been unclear (and likely still is) about the difference between the Customs Union and Single Market, and during the last year, a number of backbenchers (who should, I suppose, at least be applauded for pursuing continuing professional development) attended hastily, if belatedly, arranged workshops to learn about various basic aspects of how the EU works.

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