I am not aware of any state that is telling men what to do or not to do with their own bodies. - Senator Bernie Sanders

[ihaveaquestion]

[appalachiablue]

1. Bam, there you have it. K/R

[mopinko]

2. i've told this story b4, but... there was a court case in il

a kid needed a transplant. bone marrow, iirc. def something a live donor cd do.
the parents were divorced. mom was not a match. relatives were not a match. mom asked dad to just b tested. tested. he said no. she took him to court AND LOST.

so, yeah, courts NEVER tell men what to do w their bodies.

[erronis]

3. I can see a scenario where the state would require the mom to get pregnant again

just to see if the new child might be a good donor.

It's a Strange New World. And no more advanced than the middle-ages.

[slightlv]

13. Corpses have more bodily autonomy that we women have! n/t

[twodogsbarking]

4. Some should be told to shower. Nicely of course.

[EarnestPutz]

5. Ah, some levity. I laughed out loud at that one. Nice. Thanks. Isn't Bernie great?

[twodogsbarking]

6. I am a Bernie fan, for sure.

[Marcuse]

7. Coming soon?

[peppertree]

9. "And only if white"

"We don't want the wrong babies - isn't that right, Eloise."

"Well - a few for the chores. And the wars - can't forget those."

[sop]

14. "Life begins at emission"

The Bible says God killed Onan for spilling his seed on the ground.

[Marcuse]

23. Specifically, Onan was punished because he refused to impregnate his brother's widow as required.

[RussellCattle]

28. Damn, I really feel like I'm missing a lot by not reading the Bible, Old Testament in particular. Who knew?

[Major Nikon]

20. Every sperm is sacred

[peppertree]

8. And for all the RW guys out there who think "this'll never affect me" - think again:

For one - as Republicans know so well - it's often men who want the abortion (medical need aside). But there's more to this than denying women safe and legal abortions:

Texas, for instance, basically outlawed porn - which (need I say more) mostly affects men.

Because Republicans are not just obsessed with controlling women: their goal is nothing short of limiting sexuality, as much as possible, to the exclusive enjoyment of the connected (and of those with their blessing).

Medieval cardinals understood that - and the power that gives you over others.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

34. Republicans are Nazis -- they want absolute control to indoctrinate or eliminate.

[hauckeye]

10. If I say "my body my choice"....

How do I answer someone who disagrees with vaccine mandates? I can imagine that happening

[peppertree]

11. True. That was their go-to canard exactly - including against masks.

And when you told them that they could spread a possibly fatal respiratory illness to someone - including a loved one - they basically said "so what?"

"My mom's a bossy old bat anyway."

[Biophilic]

12. By not getting vaccinated they are actively endangering other people.

A bit different than a personal choice or need that impacts only them.
I still remember polio and how frightening it was and how restrictive the fear was. The vaccine and people’s willingness to get vaccinated changed that. It was a commitment to the larger community.

[slightlv]

16. Ah... but there you hit the main problem!

RWNJ's don't have any commitment to the larger community, nor do they desire to have one, IMO. In fact, they see that as a negative, ala Ayn Rand. A commitment to the larger community demands they act responsibly, take responsibility in all circumstances seriously, and practice empathy. All things at least the larger Magat community cannot achieve, and deem to be a societal evil, rather than a societal good.

I swear all these people are stuck in their early teens, at the very least. They've never made that growth from self-involved, egoistic me-me-me selfishness, to adulthood and all the emotional maturity that should entail. They find validation within the writings and thoughts of Ayn Rand and those who emulate her, like Elon Musk. Until they can move past that mental phase they're stuck in, they'll never be productive, useful members of society. JMO.

[Biophilic]

22. I agree completely. Unfortunately. Nt

[LisaM]

35. Also, no one ever HAD to get vaccinated.

It was a condition for some public spaces and yes, for some jobs. But people could usually find an acceptable exemption if they really had deeply held beliefs (not this pop science going around), and they could choose not to go to the places that required vaccines or masks.

[llmart]

15. K&R big time!

I'm sick of having this issue having to be fought again and again and again.

[OMGWTF]

17. DEAD people have more rights than a living female in many states.

You have to give prior written consent before someone can use your body parts after you're dead.

[Model35mech]

18. thought I saw a post on some state banning circumcision

not sure which one

[TBF]

19. All it takes is a simple google search to debunk that one. nt

[Model35mech]

21. I suppose. I should be the 1 in 5000 that googles every trivial fact

rather than letting things fall into the conversation and be fixed without diktat

[TBF]

24. A "fact" would be something that is true - your statement was misinformation. nt

[emulatorloo]

29. It was debunked right there in the DU thread you saw it in.

No need to google, DU’ers did all the hard work 😀

[TBF]

25. And yet there will be men that will try to obsure the issue however possible.

Thank you Bernie for being a mensch rather than a putz.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Men would never tolerate being controlled in this way.

[OldBaldy1701E]

32. Exactly!

But, they have no issue doing it to anyone else. It is disgusting.

[Blue Owl]

27. K and fucking R

[msongs]

30. states have been telling gay men what they can do with their bodies for centures, Berne.. wake up nt

[intheflow]

31. While true, not the point.

Gay men still have the right to bodily autonomy. They’ll never get pregnant and have their body hijacked for 9 months, they won’t be stopped from leaving their state for healthcare or any other reason. Saying this in the abortion climate is basically the same as saying All Lives Matter in response to people talking about Black Lives Matter. Gay men are men who are still privileged over women.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

33. And the airwaves are being carpet bombed with "generic viagra" ads.