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mahatmakanejeeves

(61,343 posts)
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 09:37 AM Jan 2023

Rich Customers Pull Money From Banks Offering Paltry Interest Rates

Wealthy savers are taking their cash out of bank accounts in search of higher yields

wsj.com
Rich Customers Pull Money From Banks Offering Paltry Interest Rates
Wealth-management clients are moving deposits into higher-yielding Treasurys and money-market funds.


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in2herbs

(3,183 posts)
2. I'm looking around for a place to park some of my money while keeping within
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 12:21 PM
Jan 2023

the FDIC coverage. A higher interest rate is of no use to me if the money is not govt. insured.

Congress should allow owners of 401ks that are less than $500,000 in value to withdraw and/or close their 401k and put $$$ into an interest bearing account that is not at risk of stock market fluctuations and protected by FDIC.

progree

(11,463 posts)
3. "to withdraw and or close their 401k" either that, or mandate that all 401k plans offer these
Tue Jan 24, 2023, 03:24 PM
Jan 2023

kind of options. (403b plans too).

Congress should allow owners of 401ks that are less than $500,000 in value to withdraw and/or close their 401k and put $$$ into an interest bearing account that is not at risk of stock market fluctuations and protected by FDIC.


IRA's are allowed to have CD's for example, and plain old ordinary bank and credit union savings accounts, and Treasury securities of all kinds - regular bonds, I-bonds, TIPS, whatever (which is just as good as FDIC since after all it's the same US govt that stands behind these and the FDIC) ... I can't think of anything on the safe and guaranteed side that IRAs aren't allowed to have ... so there's no fundamental reason then that 401k's shouldn't have these to offer as well, and ought to be mandated to provide them.

in2herbs

(3,183 posts)
4. Last I read the average 401k was $140,000. Leaving it in a 401k it will be subject to stock market
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:58 AM
Jan 2023

losses but investment costs as well. IMO when 401ks get below a certain level the owner of the 401k should be able to withdraw and close the IRA without penalty. Placing that $$ in a savings account for use to pay for house repairs, medical expenses, etc., as the owner deems fit.

As a woman, the thing I hate most about my 401k and IRAs is that I have to ask my financial advisor for money, when I'm the one who earned that money!!! Luckily withdrawals are not necessary to live on.

My 401k and IRAs have lost almost $1million in the past 14 months due to stock market fluctuations. At my age there is likely not enough years left in my life to recoup that amount, especially since more stock market loss is expected.

Don't tell me that 401ks and IRAs are not a ponzi scheme created by Congress for their Wall Street donors. If it isn't why won't Congress allow people to handle their own retirement accounts??

progree

(11,463 posts)
5. I think virtually all 401k's allow for fixed income investments? But not necessarily all the
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:25 PM
Jan 2023

choices I mentioned in my previous post. And like I said, 401k's should be mandated to provide the full range of safe and fixed income alternatives. I don't get what's wrong with that?

Some 401k's charge high administrative fees. That should be illegal too.

On the other hand, most I think have a company match up to like 4 to 8% of salary. And they accumulate tax-deferred, with a tax deduction for the amount put in. (In a Roth 401k, there's no up front tax deferral, but they are tax free).

As a woman, the thing I hate most about my 401k and IRAs is that I have to ask my financial advisor for money, when I'm the one who earned that money!


It's been a long time since I had a 401k (I rolled it over into an IRA), but I could withdraw without talking to anybody. I could also reallocate to a guaranteed interest contract or fixed income alternatives. I'm surprised when some imply that 401k's allow only equity investments. I think that is very rare, and should be illegal. But for some people "401k" is synonymous with the stock market. I don't get where that meme comes from.

As for IRA's I don't have to talk to a financial advisor because I don't have one. I can allocate it to just about anything as I see fit, including bank savings accounts, FDIC-insured CD's, Treasury notes and bonds. (There are a few things one can't have in an IRA but those are all on the exotic high-risk end which I'm not interested in).

One reason I don't have a financial advisor is, among many other reasons, that they seem to think it is THEIR money. It's not of course, its my choice to move money contrary to advice. But it is irritating to listen to their lamentations and pushback when I want to do something else with my money.

My 401k and IRAs have lost almost $1million in the past 14 months due to stock market fluctuations. At my age there is likely not enough years left in my life to recoup that amount, especially since more stock market loss is expected.


Bond funds have also fallen almost as much as the S&P 500 since the start of 2022, so, unfortunately its not just stock market. I'm very sorry to hear about those extraordinary losses. As for equity portion, I invest in broad-based mutual funds, so they tend to do not much better and not much worse than the S&P 500 which is down 16.3% from its 1/3/22 all-time high, as of yesterday. I accept that for extraordinary returns over the long run, there is going to be an occasional pullback.

If I had lost nearly $1 million on a 16.3% pullback, that would mean I had nearly $6 million (which I don't).

However, I'm not an all-equity fanatic. Of my easily reinvestable assets, I'm about 60% equity and 40% fixed income. As for my non-reinvestable assets and income streams, such as my annuity and Social Security and my house, none are tied to the stock market (though my house's value fluctuates with the economy).

Don't tell me that 401ks and IRAs are not a ponzi scheme created by Congress for their Wall Street donors. If it isn't why won't Congress allow people to handle their own retirement accounts??


As I said, 401ks should allow all safe investment choices that I enumerated in my last post. I think they virtually all allow fixed income choices.

No one is forced to put money in a 401k or IRA. So if one doesn't like the restrictions, one is free to pass them by, last I've heard.

I've addressed the ponzi scheme b.s. in this forum innumerable times. The latest: https://www.democraticunderground.com/111695035#post8

and this from Peter Lynch in 2001:

Since World War II, despite nine recessions and many other economic setbacks, corporate earnings are up 63 fold and the stock market is up 71 fold. Corporate profits per share have grown over 9% annually despite the down years. Nine percent may not sound like a lot but consider that it means that profits mathematically double every 8 years, quadruple every 16, are up 16 fold every 32 years, and are up 64 fold every 48 years."


I accept that sometimes after several doublings, there might be an occasional 50% pullback (there's been 3 of those since WWII). I see pullbacks as an opportunity to buy stocks on sale.

As for IRA's, one can invest in just about anything except some complex exotic choices, which is fine with me. I don't get how IRA's are bad. Particularly the Roth IRA - to me that's a free gift allowing one to put some of their money into a tax-free account. Not tax-deferred like a traditional IRA, but tax free.

in2herbs

(3,183 posts)
6. I thought I read that under a bill Congress just passed that withholdings are now
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:30 PM
Jan 2023

mandatory from paychecks and are to be deposited into IRAs. Have you read this???

progree

(11,463 posts)
7. No, not IRAs, but yes, I believe that's true for 401k's, unfortunately
Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:42 PM
Jan 2023

As I recall, it's the default choice that is made for you as a company employee, but you are free to override it. That said, it is pressure to do it their way, which I find troublesome.

Google of: secure 2 act and 401k default contributions


https://www.paychex.com/articles/compliance/secure-act-changes

Expansion of Auto-Enrollment
SECURE 2.0 requires automatic enrollment for new 401(k) or 403(b) plans beginning in 2025. The initial default rate must be between 3% and 10%, including annual auto-escalation of 1%, up to at least 10% but not more than 15%.

Automatic enrollment in a retirement plan is designed to make it easier for employees to participate. Employees who prefer not to participate can opt out. There is an exception to the requirement for small businesses with 10 or fewer employees, new businesses less than 3-years-old, churches, and governmental plans.
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