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hatrack

(61,079 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:40 AM Nov 19

Oh Well!!! "Drill Baby Drill" Won't Happen, Because Oil Companies Manage For Profitability, Not Quantity

At the Republican national convention in July, Donald Trump pledged to cut gas prices by boosting domestic oil production. “We will drill, baby, drill,” he declared. Despite the president-elect’s promise, oil and gas companies probably have other ideas. For the past few years, US energy producers have focused on keeping costs down to stay profitable, balancing between producing enough oil to satisfy global energy needs and paying shareholders big dividends, according to energy experts. That’s unlikely to change soon.

“We see no change to the intermediate term drilling path for oil set by the fundamentals,” Lloyd Byrne, equity analyst at Jefferies, said in a recent research report. Darren Woods, CEO of ExxonMobil, the largest US oil and gas company, is also skeptical of Trump’s plan. “I’m not sure how ‘drill, baby, drill’ translates into policy,” he told CNBC after its latest results. Separately, at the UN’s Cop29 climate summit in Azerbaijan this week, Woods also urged the incoming administration to not pull out of the Paris climate agreement.

For the past six years, the US has been the world’s largest producer of oil and natural gas, according to the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration, and produces about 13.4m barrels a day – a figure that will grow even without new wells on federal lands. US oil and gas companies have excess capacity as they have restricted production to their most efficient and productive wells. Inflation in the oil patch is cooling, so the combination of lower costs and higher efficiency equals increased profits for oil companies, even as crude-oil prices stay flat, said Peter McNally, an analyst at Third Bridge, a research firm.

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Since the pandemic, energy company executives began belt-tightening, rather than trying to increase production. It amounted to a sea-change in how they ran their companies, according to Rob Thummel, senior portfolio manager at Tortoise Capital Advisors. “For maybe the first time in my couple decades studying the sector, they started to generate free cashflow,” said Thummel. “And that made a lot of sense, because they didn’t need to be investing a lot. Global energy demand was still growing, but not by as much.” Tortoise Capital Advisors forecasts that oil production for 2025 could increase by about 500,000 barrels from current levels if companies stay disciplined. Even if oil producers flooded the domestic market with crude oil, there’s only so much shale-oil refiners can process into gasoline. Refinery capacity is limited: some have closed and others were retooled into renewable-diesel facilities.

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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/19/trump-oil-gas-prices

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Oh Well!!! "Drill Baby Drill" Won't Happen, Because Oil Companies Manage For Profitability, Not Quantity (Original Post) hatrack Nov 19 OP
Supply and Demand doesn't work very well with monopolies. The oil industry has manipulated prices before, JohnSJ Nov 19 #1
The US petroleum industry isn't a part of OPEC. comradebillyboy Nov 19 #5
Fracking will get a lot cheaper gab13by13 Nov 19 #2
I actually have a wild hope jfz9580m Nov 19 #4
Oh well! jfz9580m Nov 19 #3
Fracking is not new, it is newly profitable OKIsItJustMe Nov 19 #6

JohnSJ

(96,779 posts)
1. Supply and Demand doesn't work very well with monopolies. The oil industry has manipulated prices before,
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:47 AM
Nov 19

and with this congress no doubt they will do it again.

comradebillyboy

(10,515 posts)
5. The US petroleum industry isn't a part of OPEC.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:00 AM
Nov 19

OPEC which includes Saudi, Iran, the Gulf Arab states, Venezuela, the oil producing states of Africa and Russia are not controlled by US companies. The OPEC cartel has more control of world petroleum prices than the US. The Saudis and Russians are the most egregious price fixers. US companies don't control all global markets.

gab13by13

(25,302 posts)
2. Fracking will get a lot cheaper
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:49 AM
Nov 19

when President Musk allows companies to frack on public lands.

jfz9580m

(15,544 posts)
4. I actually have a wild hope
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:20 AM
Nov 19

Given the amount of drugs Musk generally comes off as being on that he will totally lose his shit and need to be committed.

Now normally I am not into Reefer Madness theories, but when you obviously already have narcissistic delusions of grandeur as Musk and that tech frat bro crowd seem to and are coddled and pampered by your sycophants, maybe all that power along with the drugs will lead to a total break in reality .

What their fanbots don’t seem to get is that -to put it in terms even they would get- with great power comes great responsibility (whichever Marvel or whatever hero said that). Being the president of the US, an adviser etc is not about power and grift. It is about very serious responsibilities and not just slashing and burning the place down with your pet theories…

Those guys are so immature. Imagine trolling all sorts of worried people about job loss and lawfare etc.

They don’t seem to get that being a total jerk doesn’t make them seem cool, tough or brainy. Ramaswamy is a total fraud and as for Musk, I mean Tesla/SpaceX etc have lots of competent engineers who are responsible for their success not their goon of a boss.

jfz9580m

(15,544 posts)
3. Oh well!
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:10 AM
Nov 19

Shocker . And here I thought these great philanthropists care..could I be..wrong?

It will not help our crises that the “moderate” version of Project 2025 being sold by the AFPI has Texas oil magnate Tim Dunn on board:

https://www.nationofchange.org/2024/11/14/trump-epa-pick-lee-zeldin-backed-by-texas-fracking-billionaire-tim-dunn/

The former Republican congressperson selected by Donald Trump to lead the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Lee Zeldin, has the backing of a religious-right fracking billionaire from Texas.

Zeldin is currently a chair at the America First Policy Institute (AFPI), a conservative think tank co-founded by Tim Dunn, founder of the fracking company CrownQuest, one of the biggest privately owned oil producers in the country.

Dunn, who has a net worth of $2.2 billion, was one of Trump’s biggest donors, contributing $5 million through his company to the Super PAC Make America Great Again. He’s been vocal about wanting Trump to reverse policies aimed at slowing climate change.


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/tim-dunn-texas-oil-billionaire-trump-donor-1235033143/

https://www.desmog.com/2024/11/13/trump-epa-pick-lee-zeldin-backed-by-texas-fracking-billionaire-tim-dunn/

You have probably posted about Tim Dunn hatrack but I missed it. I can’t believe the NYT etc are selling the AFPI thing as the “moderate” version of Project 2025. It is not bloody moderate!

OKIsItJustMe

(20,994 posts)
6. Fracking is not new, it is newly profitable
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 06:01 PM
Nov 19

We’ve known about oil and gas in shale formations for several decades, “conventional” drilling could produce oil and gas elsewhere for less, and so “unconventional” drilling was not done. (Why would it?)

We’ve known about “tar sands” for decades, the oil companies didn’t touch it, because (like fracking) it wasn’t profitable enough to warrant it.

Fast forward to oil selling at $100/barrel, and that “unconventional oil” starts looking tempting. So, “Drill baby drill,” and we got a glut! Prices went down, and so did profits, the early days of COVID-19, with fewer people driving, was the nail in the coffin for many of them. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fracking+bankrupt

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